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New Census

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    Its remarkable, no time to summarise the rest, some great details in there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭✭later12


    Some really interesting reading there. I thought the dependency statistics were particularly interesting in light of the chart (below) on increasing urbanisation. Lots of food for thought there for rural communities

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    Staying on rural issues, it appears that those lucky middle aged Leitrim women have their pick of middle aged Leitrim men, with the highest man:woman ratio amongst any age group in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    later12 wrote: »
    Staying on rural issues, it appears that those lucky middle aged Leitrim women have their pick of middle aged Leitrim men, with the highest man:woman ratio amongst any age group in Ireland.
    This is something that was being reported a few years back IIRC.

    The concern was that as more young women completed their leaving cert and went onto 3rd level education and employment in urban areas, less of them were content to return home and settle down as a farmer's wife in areas where the employment is mainly provided by "men's" job such as farming, machinery, etc.

    This female-specific emigration is resulting in a massive increase in bachelor farmers and low birth rates in these areas.

    Something we can kind of chuckle about now, but it won't be funny in 30 years' time as some counties become virtually deserted, leaving an aging and lonely population and a minimal economy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,407 ✭✭✭Cardinal Richelieu


    seamus wrote: »
    This is something that was being reported a few years back IIRC.

    The concern was that as more young women completed their leaving cert and went onto 3rd level education and employment in urban areas, less of them were content to return home and settle down as a farmer's wife in areas where the employment is mainly provided by "men's" job such as farming, machinery, etc.

    This female-specific emigration is resulting in a massive increase in bachelor farmers and low birth rates in these areas.

    Something we can kind of chuckle about now, but it won't be funny in 30 years' time as some counties become virtually deserted, leaving an aging and lonely population and a minimal economy.

    Fairly common worldwide problem , Asian countries such as Japan and Korea have it much worse, the average farmer age in Japan is mid 60s these days, women from the countryside migrated in the 60-70s to the cites to work in the factories and offices. Mail order brides was a common practice in the rural areas of Japan in the last 30 years but the younger generations continue to go to the cities. Regional Rural authorities have started to organize tours from the cities for people who wish to change careers and apprentice themselves to farmers. The change in practice from the job for life to the fixed term contract in Japan has actually made the rural life of a farmer more attractive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,665 ✭✭✭Tin Foil Hat


    The new census is out

    http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/census/documents/census2011pdr/Census%202011%20Highlights%20Part%201.pdf

    Hilights

    1) Not much of a reduction in declarations of Catholicism.
    2) Population increase in the last 5 years quite large.

    Disappointing at first glance, but only 51% of the 348404 increase in population since 2006 is declared catholic. That's actually quite staggering.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭Kinski


    Disappointing at first glance, but only 51% of the 348404 increase in population since 2006 is declared catholic. That's actually quite staggering.

    There's also been an almost 45% increase in the number of respondents identifying themselves as of "no religion," a group which now amounts to just under 270,000 people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    Ok, but can we keep off religion in this thread?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,665 ✭✭✭Tin Foil Hat


    Ok, but can we keep off religion in this thread?


    Lol. it was the first point you drew attention to in your own OP.
    I'll leave ya to it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    Lol. it was the first point you drew attention to in your own OP.
    I'll leave ya to it.

    True, but that was before I looked at the train wreck in the thread on the census in AH when religion came up. I am not a politics mod, so I cant enforce nothing, but there is much more in the census outside religion.

    After work will post some more interesting tidbits.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    So there's ~180,000 more Catholics now than in 2006, I assume there's been a similar increase in the numbers going to mass?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,407 ✭✭✭Cardinal Richelieu


    True, but that was before I looked at the train wreck in the thread on the census in AH when religion came up. I am not a politics mod, so I cant enforce nothing, but there is much more in the census outside religion.

    After work will post some more interesting tidbits.

    How about travellers?:D
    The number of people enumerated as Irish Travellers
    in Census 2011 increased by 32 per cent from 22,435
    to 29,573, with all counties apart from Limerick and
    Waterford showing increases greater than the
    increase in the general population.

    There is a census thread in religion for anyone that wishes to discuss religion in a non AH way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    The traveller population increase in 5 years is probably down to more accurate self reporting, rather than an actual increase.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,665 ✭✭✭Tin Foil Hat


    The traveller population increase in 5 years is probably down to more accurate self reporting, rather than an actual increase.

    Or maybe the fact that the British are cracking down on their lifestyle much harder than we are. It's very possible that they have moved over here in large numbers.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,768 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    amacachi wrote: »
    So there's ~180,000 more Catholics now than in 2006, I assume there's been a similar increase in the numbers going to mass?
    Based on the numbers at my local church service, looks to be holding fairly steady.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭✭later12


    I think a somewhat culturally significant moment has visited us in terms of Irish residents holding foreign nationalities.

    For the first time since the history of the state, British people are no longer the highest represented foreign nationity normally resident in Ireland. That position now goes to the Poles.

    This centuries old ranking (one would imagine it goes back to Early Modern Ireland) came quietly to an end with Census 2011.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    later12 wrote: »
    I think a somewhat culturally significant moment has visited us in terms of Irish residents holding foreign nationalities.

    For the first time since the history of the state, British people are no longer the highest represented foreign nationity normally resident in Ireland. That position now goes to the Poles.

    This centuries old ranking (one would imagine it goes back to Early Modern Ireland) came quietly to an end with Census 2011.

    I wouldn't be surprised if it goes back to being so again soon. Brits will always come here (and Irish will always head over there) but the Polish immigration is purely for economic reasons. In the 2001 UK census Ireland was the birthplace of more UK immigrants than anywhere else, that will likely change when the results of their census comes out and Ireland will be 4th.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭✭later12


    It might, yes. I just thought it was an interesting development.

    On that topic, if we consider that the number of Polish born children has tripled since 2006 (to about 14,000) we might deduce that the distribution of these children amongst families is likely to be relatively flat.
    That is to say, Poles are unlikely to move their Polish born children to Ireland if they are already in school. If their children are not already in school, these parents probably have a small number of offspring to date.

    And then we look at the numbers of Poles and see that there are 115,000 Poles in Ireland. But we might expect a large degree of intermarrying, and there are only 55,000 Polish women and 59,000 Polish men.

    So potentially, there are a significant number of Polish parents in Ireland with Polish born children. And it seems likely that they would be here to stay, since a move would be likely to upset their childrens' schooling progress.

    So while there is certainly room for fluctuation between the residence of foreign nationalities, I think we can say with some confidence that those with Polish backgrounds are all set to do their bit for Irish diversity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    later12 wrote: »
    It might, yes. I just thought it was an interesting development.

    On that topic, if we consider that the number of Polish born children has tripled since 2006 (to about 14,000) we might deduce that the distribution of these children amongst families is likely to be relatively flat.
    That is to say, Poles are unlikely to move their Polish born children to Ireland if they are already in school. If their children are not already in school, these parents probably have a small number of offspring to date.

    And then we look at the numbers of Poles and see that there are 115,000 Poles in Ireland. But we might expect a large degree of intermarrying, and there are only 55,000 Polish women and 59,000 Polish men.

    So potentially, there are a significant number of Polish parents in Ireland with Polish born children. And it seems likely that they would be here to stay, since a move would be likely to upset their childrens' schooling progress.

    So while there is certainly room for fluctuation between the residence of foreign nationalities, I think we can say with some confidence that those with Polish backgrounds are all set to do their bit for Irish diversity.

    True enough, I wouldn't expect it to revert by the next census but by the following one. Worth remembering also that any offspring of two Poles will be Irish-born so won't count towards the total in 5/10/15 years time.

    Have to admit I'm surprised Brazilians still haven't made much of a dent. Judging from houseshares on Daft.ie about 40% of people in house-shares in Dublin are from there. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Or maybe the fact that the British are cracking down on their lifestyle much harder than we are. It's very possible that they have moved over here in large numbers.

    Maybe, but I thought the general held opinion was they were reluctant to fill in census forms?

    @later12, I think the UK still has the largest immigrant population, Poland would have the largest non EU-12 population, but a good post nonetheless.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭Jacknory


    Has anyone come across the acutal cost to the state to complete the census. I'd be interested to see what the comparison would be to the UK (cost approx £24 million).


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭✭later12


    @K9 I was thinking just of the non-national normally resident group. But of course you are correct, and many more British immigrants would be likely to hold Irish passports than other immigrants,therefore would be counted as Irish. Due to the geographical proximity with GB & NI, some British/ NI citizens may consider themselves only temporarily resident in the Republic.

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    BTW The All Ireland Research Observatory has a really interesting, interactive facility for anyone who is interested in the census returns
    http://www.airo.ie/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    later12 wrote: »
    It might, yes. I just thought it was an interesting development.

    On that topic, if we consider that the number of Polish born children has tripled since 2006 (to about 14,000) we might deduce that the distribution of these children amongst families is likely to be relatively flat.
    That is to say, Poles are unlikely to move their Polish born children to Ireland if they are already in school. If their children are not already in school, these parents probably have a small number of offspring to date.

    And then we look at the numbers of Poles and see that there are 115,000 Poles in Ireland. But we might expect a large degree of intermarrying, and there are only 55,000 Polish women and 59,000 Polish men.

    So potentially, there are a significant number of Polish parents in Ireland with Polish born children. And it seems likely that they would be here to stay, since a move would be likely to upset their childrens' schooling progress.

    So while there is certainly room for fluctuation between the residence of foreign nationalities, I think we can say with some confidence that those with Polish backgrounds are all set to do their bit for Irish diversity.

    Another interesting combination of figures (and we have to be careful because they come from different questions) is that:

    119,526 people speak Polish at home
    77,185 people speak Irish on a daily basis outside the education system.

    Is Polish now the second language (after English) of the State?


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