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  • 26-03-2012 8:47pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 562 ✭✭✭


    What is the story with this term "black Irish", I've heard all the stories about Spanish armada survivors, but I've also heard the counter arguments that throw those out the window. So my question is where do the dark haired, tan skinned brown eyed Irish come from and why is it noticeable in the west


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    Oh boy, this is going to be good!:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭DConway


    YouTube black Irish of Montserrat. It's a Caribbean island, and a lot of the population are of Irish decent! There's even a cork accent on one of them!


  • Registered Users Posts: 893 ✭✭✭danslevent


    lcrcboy wrote: »
    What is the story with this term "black Irish", I've heard all the stories about Spanish armada survivors, but I've also heard the counter arguments that throw those out the window. So my question is where do the dark haired, tan skinned brown eyed Irish come from and why is it noticeable in the west


    Ahh, the hotties among us. Don't question their origin, just bask in their beauty :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭saa


    Oh.. I thought this would be about black Irish folks who have immigrant parents, never heard of that term. Is this a big contentious issue in the west? Maybe the milkman has something to do with it theres a lot of hairy babies on the island.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Paul McGrath must be spinning in his grave.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,716 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    this thread may be of interest to you

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=66071712


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 314 ✭✭0066ad


    lcrcboy wrote: »
    What is the story with this term "black Irish", I've heard all the stories about Spanish armada survivors, but I've also heard the counter arguments that throw those out the window. So my question is where do the dark haired, tan skinned brown eyed Irish come from and why is it noticeable in the west



    Ha Ha! you must be ginger :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 562 ✭✭✭lcrcboy


    0066ad wrote: »
    lcrcboy wrote: »
    What is the story with this term "black Irish", I've heard all the stories about Spanish armada survivors, but I've also heard the counter arguments that throw those out the window. So my question is where do the dark haired, tan skinned brown eyed Irish come from and why is it noticeable in the west



    Ha Ha! you must be ginger :D
    Actually I'm half puerto rican so I'm to dark to even be considerd Irish haha


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    amacachi wrote: »
    Paul McGrath must be spinning in his grave.
    When did he die?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 314 ✭✭0066ad


    lcrcboy wrote: »
    Actually I'm half puerto rican so I'm to dark to even be considerd Irish haha[/QUOTE


    Alot of people mistake me for being spanish, till i open my mouth.

    When i was a kid, they use to call me ni**er, but now i know they

    were just jealous of my handsomeness. :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭The_Thing


    Guinness


  • Registered Users Posts: 562 ✭✭✭lcrcboy


    0066ad wrote: »
    lcrcboy wrote: »
    Actually I'm half puerto rican so I'm to dark to even be considerd Irish haha[/QUOTE


    Alot of people mistake me for being spanish, till i open my mouth
    I'm the biggest joke for puerto ricans in the US, they think it's funny to see one of their own with a big paddy accent haha


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭MickySticks


    Jason Sherlock


  • Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭BickNarry


    Alot of Reggae musicians and singers had Irish names. Susan Cadogan, Marcia Griffiths etc..... and I noticed the similarity with Irish accents, so I went about finding a link. This was pre-Marley and the rastafari take over so the accents were softer and many spoke with little patois (I and I etc.) Well, here's the info.

    http://youtu.be/0QHYFXDGf4Y

    http://youtu.be/0v5iLqy9Ap8


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭LH Pathe


    i don't worry .. When'er I see a black irish fellah in a purple shellsuit.. got a pocket full o rainbows...


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    What about obama..he's black orish isn't he.

    What I'd like to know is what about the red irish, ya know with the forecast being for sun and high temps.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭as125634do


    tell me bout it. i was in coffeeshop in amsterdam and some huge eastern european guy kept calling me a jew. wus loike im ireeesh man irish irish.
    wasnt going to disagree so i ripped out my circumsiced knob and he was like smelly jew die...we were far too stoned tho. oh ho ho mary jane id marry you but the establishment is muddling in our love :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,153 ✭✭✭Rented Mule


    amacachi wrote: »
    Paul McGrath must be spinning in his grave.

    He should be.....because he's not dead !!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭Immaculate Pasta


    Hmm interesting. My family come from the West of Ireland and I have the same look as described in the OP and a lot of my family out there share this trait. I never really thought about it to be honest. I always thought I got it from the other side to my family. It's very likely that there would have been some intermingling going on as my family live right by the coast. I'm going to ask about this next time I'm home :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    They bare the mark of Cain.

    I remember reading something about our origins and southern Spain is prominent.

    For those who are interested Red heads are nordic in origin.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    The red hair gene is found across all of northern Africa. Believed to have been introduced by Irish slaves being sold by the Spanish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Hmm interesting. My family come from the West of Ireland and I have the same look as described in the OP and a lot of my family out there share this trait. I never really thought about it to be honest. I always thought I got it from the other side to my family. It's very likely that there would have been some intermingling going on as my family live right by the coast. I'm going to ask about this next time I'm home :cool:

    Careful how you phrase it though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭Immaculate Pasta


    Nodin wrote: »
    Careful how you phrase it though.

    Haha true. Intermingling wouldn't go too down well with the old school Catholics :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,876 ✭✭✭Spread


    The red hair gene is found across all of northern Africa. Believed to have been introduced by Irish slaves being sold by the Spanish.

    Maybe from the raid of Baltimore!

    Is it because I is Irish :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭the keen edge


    44leto wrote: »
    They bare the mark of Cain.

    I remember reading something about our origins and southern Spain is prominent.

    For those who are interested Red heads are nordic in origin.

    There was meant to be a Basque link, but I think it has since been discounted.

    Indecently I, and my family, are from Galway.
    My auld fella and his brothers are all dark looking, you'd be forgiven for thinking they've walked of the set of a Martin Scorsese film; that is until they'd open their mouths and invariably say something about potatoes or the escalating price of Golden Maverick calf feed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    No surprise. The Celts were balkies anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    The red hair gene is found across all of northern Africa. Believed to have been introduced by Irish slaves being sold by the Spanish.

    And the Dutch.

    It's good to know that even slaves got laid though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    The white skin comes from Neanderthals. Seriously. Google it.
    The red hair comes from them too.

    The dark skin comes from the Spanish Armada being washed up in Clare and mingling with the locals.
    The Spanish themselves have dark skin because of the invasion by the Moors (Arabs) which lasted a few hundred years. They were blonde before that.

    A quick look at wikipedia and their sources will give you an insight into the history of skin tone in Europe.

    By the way, Black people are the pure bred humans. We're mongrels.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    DConway wrote: »
    YouTube black Irish of Montserrat. It's a Caribbean island, and a lot of the population are of Irish decent! There's even a cork accent on one of them!

    Jesus I never knew about this! Loads of info on Wikipedia


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  • Registered Users Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Turpentine


    There was meant to be a Basque link, but I think it has since been discounted.

    Indecently I, and my family, are from Galway.
    My auld fella and his brothers are all dark looking, you'd be forgiven for thinking they've walked of the set of a Martin Scorsese film; that is until they'd open their mouths and invariably say something about potatoes or the escalating price of Golden Maverick calf feed.

    Chin up, Galway's a nice spot.


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