ebay wireless gsm alarm units

cyberblade 918c

Hi folks - havent posted in this forum before but have been having a read every now and again - Hoping Koolkid or Altor can give me a bit of advice.
Im renting at the moment so not looking to spend a lot of money on an alarm kit until I have bought my own place.I have looked in to eircom phone watch and to be honest it seems like crazy money to be spending on just 2 pir's and 3 door contacts / free remote fob though :rolleyes: !! plus an additional 179€ on top of the installation fee for a gsm dialer.

So just out of curiosity Ive been having a look on ebay at the likes of this and am wondering if a system like this would be an average set up - and not too out of date. Basically wondering if something like these with a dummy box would be better than nothing at all -

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/LED-WIRELESS-SECURITY-GSM-AUTODIAL-HOUSE-HOME-OFFICE-BURGLAR-INTRUDER-FIRE-ALARM-/120881790784?pt=UK_Burglar_Alarms&hash=item1c251dbf40#ht_6888wt_1270

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/WIRELESS-GSM-BURGLAR-ALARM-SYSTEM-FIRE-PIR-RRP-499-/320463519042?pt=UK_Burglar_Alarms&hash=item4a9d1d3d42#ht_2093wt_1037

cheers guys

altor

I would not touch them if you where giving them away for free

Have a look at the HKC Quantum or a cheaper option would be the power max complete system. Both are fully wire free and can be brought with you when you move out. A GSM can be added for self monitoring and remote access to either alarm. With GSM blockers available on line for so cheap I am surprised they are still selling the GSM to have the alarm monitored by a monitoring station. They really should be using a dual com that polls every 3 minutes to the monitoring station as they have no way of knowing if a signal has be blocked until they don't get a test call from the alarm system.

cyberblade 918c

altor wrote: »

I would not touch them if you where giving them away for free

Have a look at the HKC Quantum or a cheaper option would be the power max complete system. Both are fully wire free and can be brought with you when you move out. A GSM can be added for self monitoring and remote access to either alarm. With GSM blockers available on line for so cheap I am surprised they are still selling the GSM to have the alarm monitored by a monitoring station. They really should be using a dual com that polls every 3 minutes to the monitoring station as they have no way of knowing if a signal has be blocked until they don't get a test call from the alarm system.

yup -€699 introductory price for installation and another €179 for the gsm dialler if no phone line connected. €960 non introduction price with the additional 179 for the gsm unit. Cheers again for the info - with prices like that its making the ebay units seem tempting lol:p

altor

cyberblade 918c wrote: »

yup -€699 introductory price for installation and another €179 for the gsm dialler if no phone line connected. €960 non introduction price with the additional 179 for the gsm unit. Cheers again for the info - with prices like that its making the ebay units seem tempting lol:p

Ha, they are that cheap as they have no standards to conform too. I know a few people who where tempted, they ended up having to get a proper system installed and the one they bought went in the bin
No live external bell with the P.W system either which is also a drawback. There are better system configurations at better prices out there.

cyberblade 918c

altor wrote: »

Ha, they are that cheap as they have no standards to conform too. I know a few people who where tempted, they ended up having to get a proper system installed and the one they bought went in the bin
No live external bell with the P.W system either which is also a drawback. There are better system configurations at better prices out there.

cheers lad ... tbh dont even know if the eircom set up had an outdoor bell

KoolKid

If looking at Eircom here are some of the questions you need to ask:

Are all downstairs and accessible windows are covered by sensors & contacts?
Should be yes...
Does service, maintenance & monitoring cover all callouts and labour in relation to maintenance & repair of your alarm system.
Should be yes.(With any exceptions explained)
If not whats the charge for extra calls or calls over a defined time.
Does the system include a fully working live external bell box with siren & strobe? Should be yes.
If not, how much extra is this?
Without this your alarm is not heard outside your home. It also means you are committed to on-going monitoring fees.
If monitored how long is the contract?
Can the alarm be self-monitored via voice messages with no annual fees.? Should be yes.
Can a monitored system be changed to this at any time?
Should be yes.
Can the system be switched to another land line provider if needed?
Should be yes.
If not why not?

cyberblade 918c

KoolKid wrote: »

If looking at Eircom here are some of the questions you need to ask:

Are all downstairs and accessible windows are covered by sensors & contacts?
Should be yes...
Does service, maintenance & monitoring cover all callouts and labour in relation to maintenance & repair of your alarm system.
Should be yes.(With any exceptions explained)
If not whats the charge for extra calls or calls over a defined time.
Does the system include a fully working live external bell box with siren & strobe? Should be yes.
If not, how much extra is this?
Without this your alarm is not heard outside your home. It also means you are committed to on-going monitoring fees.
If monitored how long is the contract?
Can the alarm be self-monitored via voice messages with no annual fees.? Should be yes.
Can a monitored system be changed to this at any time?
Should be yes.
Can the system be switched to another land line provider if needed?
Should be yes.
If not why not?

Thanks k.Kid .... thats exactly why im not going for it - and to be honest the systems on ebay have a hell of a lot more for a hell of a lot less :eek:

eircom -
3 door contacts - no window contacts - as the rep said himself ... they cause too many false alarms :rolleyes:
2 motion sensors only.
No external box - however condition of contract states you must display a DUMMY box for advertisment for Eircom !!! maybe I should ask them to pay me to have it installed as id be adervertising it lol

and they want 699€ to install 3 wireless door contacts and 2 pir's with an additional 179€ for a gsm dialer. think people must be nuts to go with that !!

thanks for the replies

KoolKid

cyberblade 918c wrote: »

3 door contacts - no window contacts - as the rep said himself ... they cause too many false alarms :rolleyes:

Unbelieveable..:eek:
Thank God other companies don't think along the same lines...:eek:
Sure don't put up any detection devices... less chance of false alarms.

Here's an idea...........Install if properly, less chance of false alarms.
No working bell = less chance of you cancelling your monitoring
or is it maybe a real bell might false alarm as well..:eek:;)

Thunderbird2

Koolkid i was told my bell would have to be disconnected if i went with eircom for monitoring as it wouldnt work any more and id need their special bell. And they were aware of the HKC system i had

horse7

altor wrote: »

I would not touch them if you where giving them away for free

Have a look at the HKC Quantum or a cheaper option would be the power max complete system. Both are fully wire free and can be brought with you when you move out. A GSM can be added for self monitoring and remote access to either alarm. With GSM blockers available on line for so cheap I am surprised they are still selling the GSM to have the alarm monitored by a monitoring station. They really should be using a dual com that polls every 3 minutes to the monitoring station as they have no way of knowing if a signal has be blocked until they don't get a test call from the alarm system.

can anyone buy the HKC Quantum from the supplier in ballymount.

KoolKid

Most suppliers would be happy to take your money...

altor

Thunderbird2 wrote: »

Koolkid i was told my bell would have to be disconnected if i went with eircom for monitoring as it wouldnt work any more and id need their special bell. And they were aware of the HKC system i had

At lease you know better.
There special bell is just a dummy which is what they seem to think everyone else is

altor

horse7 wrote: »

can anyone buy the HKC Quantum from the supplier in ballymount.

Yes, any supplier will sell you the Quantum system, just be aware it comes in a kit form.

Thunderbird2

altor wrote: »

At lease you know better.
There special bell is just a dummy which is what they seem to think everyone else is

Haha ..wasnt given a decent reason
Also they dont alert you of the risks of an easy reach phoneline being cut.. The same response is that they will know immediately .... How is it they can get away with saying this... They make it as tho the panels are flawless

altor

Thunderbird2 wrote: »

Haha ..wasnt given a decent reason
Also they dont alert you of the risks of an easy reach phoneline being cut.. The same response is that they will know immediately .... How is it they can get away with saying this... They make it as tho the panels are flawless

That was because there was none

Nobody knows the line is down until the test call does not ring the monitoring station. They do make it out to be flawless but then again, the sales people selling the system don't know any better.