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23-03-2012 4:02pm#1
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Royce Shy Bun wrote: »Raycun i know you are only following process but really this is just stupid red tape bull.sh1t and ivory tower stuff.
In fairness to the admins etc, part of the problem is that none of us (well, not me anyway
) looked up the process before.
Anybody could have put in a request months ago, without any discussion on here at all.0 -
In fairness to the admins etc, part of the problem is that none of us (well, not me anyway ) looked up the process before.
Anybody could have put in a request months ago, without any discussion on here at all.
I looked up the process before. There was a request put in for a Tri forum in 2007- when it was set up, it was set up as Triathlon/marathons, with no polls or requests or popular support for this (no reflection meant on the moderator at the time). When I put up a poll here, it was because it had already been discussed and set up. This is different to having to show groundwork support for a totally new forum- its been messed around with for years, and this current 6-week nonsense is just more messing.
Additionally, it would have been very underhand to put in a request for a new forum, without any discussion, when Triathlon already exists as part of A/R/T, as you suggest. There's a clear desire to set up a standalone Trialthon forum (its not a new forum per se), its been discussed already, polled already, there's support for it, a knowledgeable moderator who has the respect of the userbase... the Tri subforum was meant to be an experiment to see how things went, and the conclusion is a standalone forum is wanted. With the start of the Tri racing season just about upon us, why can't a switch just be flicked, to facilitate the forum users?0 -
In Fairness guys, either one of you regulars or I in particular could have kicked this off a good while back since the sub forum was created. I was going to let the sub forum sit for a few months (at least until race season was well under way) to suggest a clean break but hey DeePop beat me to it. Perhaps the request could have gone to Admin then and some smart thinking could have linked it all together. We would probably have in excess of 20+ +1's on each of the requests by now. Alas it was not to be and fair play to RayCun for picking up the flailing baton and running with it. (Edit: FWIW Kudos to DeePop for breaking the ice!)
The process is what it is at Admin level and there are ways to give out about it. I accept some responsibility here for not jumping in, doing the research on the process and creating the awarenss when this topic arose.
So right now, its just about getting the approval in so we can set up the new Forum and get on with things as they have mainly been 'getting on' to date About 8 +1s on each request so far...
When the Forum is created we can set up a Poll on predicting the next 10 from the Running Forum to cross to the dark side as well, its just more fun over here
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shotgunmcos wrote: »When the Forum is created we can set up a Poll on predicting the next 10 from the Running Forum to cross to the dark side as well, its just more fun over here
No way, you guys are getting locked up behind an iron carbon fibre curtain 0 -
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The reality is that if you don't like the red-tape on boards, there is nothing to stop anyone from installing the freely available phpBB software and setting up your own independent forum, with your own rules and your own moderators. Boards is not some kind of open community forum, even if the perception is there. It's a commercial enterprise, with paid employees, revenue targets and all of the wonderful bureaucracy that comes with it.
If you want to go play in somebody else's sandbox, you have to be prepared to play by their rules or else get busy building your own sandbox, where you can rule over all your minions with an iron fist. 0 -
Krusty_Clown wrote: »The reality is that if you don't like the red-tape on boards, there is nothing to stop anyone from installing the freely available phpBB software and setting up your own independent forum, with your own rules and your own moderators. Boards is not some kind of open community forum, even if the perception is there. It's a commercial enterprise, with paid employees, revenue targets and all of the wonderful bureaucracy that comes with it.
If you want to go play in somebody else's sandbox, you have to be prepared to play by their rules or else get busy building your own sandbox, where you can rule over all your minions with an iron fist.
I actually thought about that the other day. Surprised there isn't a big Irish tri forum.0 -
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Krusty_Clown wrote: »The reality is that if you don't like the red-tape on boards, there is nothing to stop anyone from installing the freely available phpBB software and setting up your own independent forum, with your own rules and your own moderators. Boards is not some kind of open community forum, even if the perception is there. It's a commercial enterprise, with paid employees, revenue targets and all of the wonderful bureaucracy that comes with it.
If you want to go play in somebody else's sandbox, you have to be prepared to play by their rules or else get busy building your own sandbox, where you can rule over all your minions with an iron fist.
Sorry dude, the amount of bullsh!t effort I put in behind the scenes to help out around this section of Boards.ie gives me the right to criticize that bureaucracy. Its something I happen to know an awful lot about, from experience. My opinion (which I can give far more freely as a member than as a moderator) is there are growing layers of red tape which exist for no better reason than to make someone higher up feel authoritative.
Remember the "No Medical Advice" Commandment, meaning a lot of users can't share injury advice? I spent months back-and-forth with Admins, trying to get it slightly relaxed for a forum like ours. After an eternity, it was decreed that we could discuss injuries in a very limited way, so long as no medical claims or advice was given. A little later, the financial arm of Boards.ie were selling magical bracelets which they claimed would boost your immune system... very frustrating, and it left me in little doubt about who the rules were for on this forum. Thankfully though, Boards is strong enough to allow complaint and criticism of its redtape and rules, and no doubt they'll survive my little storm in a teacup, without the need for me to buy my own bucket and spade just yet.0 -
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Krusty_Clown wrote: »But that's enough off-topic cynicism from me. I'll get back into my running box. Might actually go for a cycle this evening too.
Can't do that. Where will you put the clothes that live on your bike? 0
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