This food inc propaganda

cloptrop

I just sat down and watched the best part of food inc before I lost interest. I know its old and it won oscars but does anyone else think its just propaganda to get you to buy organic foods to "stick it to the man" and make organic people rich. Organic labelling is big business now too .
The format was pretty much its terrible they kill all their animals in one place as oposed to all over the country, folowed by a kid died from food poisening , followed by animals being killed , followed by them trying to sue Oprah followed by an advertisement for organic food labels.
Im all for being nice to animals but it wasnt showing organic chickens being killed, why are all documentaries one sided .

Nothingbetter2d

you care about stuff too much

cloptrop

Not enough according to these important documentaries .

Zillah

cloptrop wrote: »

I just sat down and watched the best part of food inc before I lost interest. I know its old and it won oscars but does anyone else think its just propaganda to get you to buy organic foods to "stick it to the man" and make organic people rich. Organic labelling is big business now too .
The format was pretty much its terrible they kill all their animals in one place as oposed to all over the country, folowed by a kid died from food poisening , followed by animals being killed , followed by them trying to sue Oprah followed by an advertisement for organic food labels.

The film is about the fact that we have changed from farms producing food to industrial processes producing food-like consumer products, which are often dangerous, terrible for you or simply lacking real nutrition. It wants to highlight the fact that there are many negative consequences to this transition, and that maybe we should have stopped to think whether the changes we were making were a good idea. Animals suffers and die on a scale never seen before, small farmers are driven out of business and the population is becoming obese at a terrifying rate.

Documentaries are one-sided because they are made to convince people of something. It is also because the "other side" of the argument will often have nothing to contribute to the discussion. Even if McDonalds wanted to have a representative interviewed, do you really think you'd get anything other than polished and dishonest PR spin? Do you think they will admit that they are selling health-ruining, sugar-packed, salt-drenched, fat-filled products masquerading as food that will completely wreck your body if eaten regularly? That they are contributing to the destruction of the rainforest at a horrifying scale to make room for their cattle herds? If you got a representative of the meat industry, do you think they would honestly discuss the fact that their entire modus operandi is to extract as much profit from as many animals packed into as little land as possible while pushing the law to its absolute limits? Or that they spend fortunes every year lobbying government to reduce or remove those laws?

You hear the "other-side" of these documentaries almost every day through their advertising and PR campaigns.

cloptrop wrote: »

Im all for being nice to animals but it wasnt showing organic chickens being killed, why are all documentaries one sided .

There is literally a scene in the film specifically for the purpose of showing organic chickens killed on a small farm.

cloptrop

That they are contributing to the destruction of the rainforest at a horrifying scale to make room for their cattle herds?

Interesting you say this and not, that they are adjusting our grass to tree ratio in order to feed us the beef we want. If there was a documentary saying this , would you repeat it like you do this other "fact"?

AnonoBoy

I'm hungry. What did this movie suggest I have for lunch?

cloptrop

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I'm hungry. What did this movie suggest I have for lunch?

Chicken , beef and corn syrup.

AnonoBoy

cloptrop wrote: »

Chicken , beef and corn syrup.

Cheers. Off to get that now. Will someone mind AH while I'm gone?

MonkeyTennis

Id love a sandwich

Now which of you lovely ladies will make one for me ?

cloptrop

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

Id love a sandwich

Now which of you lovely ladies will make one for me ?

Just make sure the lady you chose was farmed/ murdered / grown/ whatever the latest documentary says orangically or dont , Whatever .

The King of Moo

It might seem like propaganda from a European perspective. Processed food here is pretty bad for you, but we still have fairly tight regulations.

But in American pretty much everything is made of corn syrup, and occasionally some things aren't even technically food, or at least contain non-food elements such as cellulose or wood!

There's a jokey but interesting article on the issue here:

http://www.cracked.com/article_19433_the-6-most-horrifying-lies-food-industry-feeding-you.html

Gee Bag

This thread should be culled as a precautionary measure

mikom

Extremists of all sorts on all sides should be ground up and made into chicken nuggets.

Shryke

cloptrop wrote: »

Interesting you say this and not, that they are adjusting our grass to tree ratio in order to feed us the beef we want. If there was a documentary saying this , would you repeat it like you do this other "fact"?

You would do good PR work. Or as you might call it "PR work".

Chuck Stone

There's nowt better than startin t'day with a big piece of meat inside ya

Brittany Spears.

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cloptrop

Shryke wrote: »

You would do good PR work. Or as you might call it "PR work".

Its fact its not pr work . PR work is making a film about how important it is to buy expensive organic food then convincing the masses by use of celebrity endorsements among other things to pay more money for food .
Another thing that annoys me why do people listen to Gwenyth Paltrows views on food eating etiquette just because she was in a few films.

The King of Moo

cloptrop wrote: »

Its fact its not pr work . PR work is making a film about how important it is to buy expensive organic food then convincing the masses by use of celebrity endorsements among other things to pay more money for food .
Another thing that annoys me why do people listen to Gwenyth Paltrows views on food eating etiquette just because she was in a few films.

I'd say it's because she's in pretty good nick, so it's clearly done her good .

trollin trollin trollin

cloptrop wrote: »

I just sat down and watched the best part of food inc before I lost interest. I know its old and it won oscars but does anyone else think its just propaganda to get you to buy organic foods to "stick it to the man" and make organic people rich. Organic labelling is big business now too .
The format was pretty much its terrible they kill all their animals in one place as oposed to all over the country, folowed by a kid died from food poisening , followed by animals being killed , followed by them trying to sue Oprah followed by an advertisement for organic food labels.
Im all for being nice to animals but it wasnt showing organic chickens being killed, why are all documentaries one sided .

I hear ya,if you didn't like Food Inc you should definately stay away from the vegan propaganda of Earthlings, Fast Food Nation and the book "skinny bitch"...

RichieC

I'm personally not an organic freak, but it's worrying trend.

The way I see it is, what reason have these huge multinationals selling bull**** food got to change? If it means we as a people start getting sick with diabetes as we age, various cancers, we either die, or we go on life long and very expensive medicines for the rest of our lives. It's a fking gold mine for investors. People with the kind of money to invest in these huge companies wont be eating bull****, they have enough money to buy naturally grown, steroid free food for them and their families, and even should the worst happen them, have plenty of money to ensure the top treatment.

I'm convinced we are looked at as a sick farm for these grubby bastards.

cloptrop

RichieC wrote: »

I'm personally not an organic freak, but it's worrying trend.

The way I see it is, what reason have these huge multinationals selling bull**** food got to change? If it means we as a people start getting sick with diabetes as we age, various cancers, we either die, or we go on life long and very expensive medicines for the rest of our lives. It's a fking gold mine for investors. People with the kind of money to invest in these huge companies wont be eating bull****, they have enough money to buy naturally grown, steroid free food for them and their families, and even should the worst happen them, have plenty of money to ensure the top treatment.

I'm convinced we are looked at as a sick farm for these grubby bastards.

Its not bull**** food , I eat regularly and Im fine, Im not obese because I eat the right levels of food. Its all propaganda horseradish to get you to pay even more money for organic **** food instead of normal **** food.

KyussBishop

Haven't seen food inc., but a good documentary (albeit odd as it has absolutely no dialogue) on the topic is Our Daily Bread; here's the depressing 'humane' way of slaughtering cows (watch to end, where the second one knows what's happening):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ67i5-oYBw

There are a lot of ethical issues with how animals are farmed these days, often living quite a shítty factory-line existance, compared to being comparatively free to roam out in the open.

There are also issues with hormones given to animals, and other artificial ways in which the weight/size of animals are increased, which have potential health effects on those eating them, in addition to the other ethical issues.


This isn't just speculation either; there are scientifically researched and well documented negative effects of these various artificial methods; here is a good article I read a couple of days ago on the topic, and its relation to obesity:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/03/the-real-cause-of-the-global-obesity-epidemic.html

Learned quite a bit from that article I didn't know before; was particularly interesting reading up on nitrates and the like in red meat etc., and how unhealthy that can be for you (a cancer risk); going to try cut down on that myself.


Also, I found that article linked from this other one, which talks about how genetically modified corn can affect health too:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/03/guest-post-study-genetically-modified-corn-increases-body-weight-in-rats.html

Pretty interesting, as I don't know a lot about genetically modified crops and thought the changes were much more benign than that.

Zillah

cloptrop wrote: »

Interesting you say this and not, that they are adjusting our grass to tree ratio in order to feed us the beef we want. If there was a documentary saying this , would you repeat it like you do this other "fact"?

If you found me draining the blood from a child would you phrase it as "adjusting the blood to body ratio"? You can phrase anything however you like, but the rainforest is very important for a number of reasons, not the least of which is reducing atmospheric carbon dioxide and sheltering the majority of the bio-diversity on the planet. I think destroying the rainforest so that multinational corporations can increase the already staggering scale of their intensive farming operations is a bad idea, and if you understood the pace at which the environment was being consumed by industry, I think you'd agree with me. I'm not a hippy, I'm not a vegan, hell, I'm not even a vegetarian - I just think there are some very good points raised by the film. I wouldn't dismiss it as propaganda. We, and moreso the Americans, live in a society where there are large, powerful groups of people eagerly trying to destroy irreplaceable things on this earth for the sake of short term profit, and they spend hundreds of millions every year to convince you otherwise. This is true of many industries, not just food.

cloptrop wrote: »

Its fact its not pr work . PR work is making a film about how important it is to buy expensive organic food then convincing the masses by use of celebrity endorsements among other things to pay more money for food .
Another thing that annoys me why do people listen to Gwenyth Paltrows views on food eating etiquette just because she was in a few films.

If Food Inc was funded by organic food companies then we would have more reason to be suspicious, but I think they genuinely believe in their message.

Also bear in mind that the entire thing, and everything I've said, is from a US perspective. Here in Ireland we're extraordinarily lucky that a huge amount of our food is quite naturally produced - all of our cattle are grass fed, for example, whereas US cattle are almost exclusively fed on corn, which is much worse. At lot of our food could probably be marketed as 'organic' over there, or at least have many of the beneficial traits of it. When your shelves are divided into "sugar-filled artificial crap" and "real food (aka 'organic')", the topic becomes a lot more relevant.

cloptrop

But if the food is organic we need more grass meaning we need more rain forest killed. Im sticking with corn fed factory cows to save the rain forest.
The only reason you dont agree with this is becase Im not a documentary.

Zillah

I suppose I was naive to think that being reasonable in After Hours wouldn't end poorly.

RichieC

cloptrop wrote: »

Its not bull**** food , I eat regularly and Im fine, Im not obese because I eat the right levels of food. Its all propaganda horseradish to get you to pay even more money for organic **** food instead of normal **** food.

As long as you're all right we'll be grand, Cloptrop. And since you are now the bellwether of humanities collective health, Please start a blog detailing daily your diet and results from your now mandatory six month check ups.

All the best

The Human race

cloptrop

Zillah wrote: »

I suppose I was naive to think that being reasonable in After Hours wouldn't end poorly.

Tell me how we can reasonably feed the world with meat free range style and still have room to not have to kill the rainforest, if we cant do it black room style without killing the rain forrest?
Ill tell you why and its the answer to every hippy documentary , Mcdonalds thats what.
Run out of answers put mcdonalds on the other side, complete propaganda.

Gee Bag

I watched this doc and I don't remember it being solely about organic food. It was about the way food is being produced in America. The scenes with cattle being crammed together like battery chickens knee deep in their own sh1te were really shocking.

dr.bollocko

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT BUT AM ALWAYS RIGHT SO WHEN MY IDEAS GET QUESTIONED BY A FILM I GET ALL ANGRY AND VENT ABOUT IT ON THE INTERNET

cloptrop

Gee Bag wrote: »

I watched this doc and I don't remember it being solely about organic food. It was about the way food is being produced in America. The scenes with cattle being crammed together like battery chickens knee deep in their own sh1te were really shocking.

Yes all these images were showing you why you should buy organic.

RichieC

cloptrop wrote: »

Yes all these images were showing you why you should buy organic.

What's your game? Do you have a horse in this race? daddy own a processed food plant or something? I DEMAND DISCLOSURE!11

D1stant

cloptrop wrote: »

I just sat down and watched the best part of food inc before I lost interest. I know its old and it won oscars but does anyone else think its just propaganda to get you to buy organic foods to "stick it to the man" and make organic people rich. Organic labelling is big business now too .
The format was pretty much its terrible they kill all their animals in one place as oposed to all over the country, folowed by a kid died from food poisening , followed by animals being killed , followed by them trying to sue Oprah followed by an advertisement for organic food labels.
Im all for being nice to animals but it wasnt showing organic chickens being killed, why are all documentaries one sided .

Take a small step back here

Its kind of intuitive that organic, low scale production is probably going to be better produce, more sustainable and safer (albeit more expensive)

If you have a problem with incorrect labeling thats fine but a different issue

Now if you are happy to buy cheap factory food, then thats fine, but be aware of the impact on the farmer, the produce quality and the safety of it

As for the taste - try a Denny's diner the next time you are in the US. $8 for 3 courses. Yum....

Gee Bag

cloptrop wrote: »

Yes all these images were showing you why you should buy organic.

Yet again, this film wasn't solely about organic food. It was about how food (of all kinds) is produced in the US. I didn't think it was a brilliant doc, but it did make some good points.

If you want to be gullible enought to believe everything big multinationals tell you then thats up to you.

cloptrop

RichieC wrote: »

What's your game? Do you have a horse in this race? daddy own a processed food plant or something? I DEMAND DISCLOSURE!11

Ha ha I wish , Id eat straight from the killing floor. It just pisses me off people saying things like open your eyes when they are being fed **** too just from another side of the arguement . These documentary conspiracy watchers are just as much a gang of sheep as the people who believe everything mcdonalds tells them .

cloptrop

D1stant wrote: »

Take a small step back here

Its kind of intuitive that organic, low scale production is probably going to be better produce, more sustainable and safer (albeit more expensive)

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No Id trust a corporation to make my food before Id trust some pikey farmer with 2 cows and a chicken. Just like Id trust mcdonalds food before Id trust some hot dog stand.

Gee Bag wrote: »

If you want to be gullible enought to believe everything big multinationals tell you then thats up to you.

I dont believe anything multi nationals tell me , how many nations they operate in doesnt interest me , I listen to both sides and make my judgement, you listen to everything a documentary tells you and then side against multi nationals because they are bad for some reason that the documentary said.

Zillah

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That's my troll detector.

Gee Bag

cloptrop wrote: »

No Id trust a corporation to make my food before Id trust some pikey farmer with 2 cows and a chicken. Just like Id trust mcdonalds food before Id trust some hot dog stand.



I dont believe anything multi nationals tell me , how many nations they operate in doesnt interest me , I listen to both sides and make my judgement, you listen to everything a documentary tells you and then side against multi nationals because they are bad for some reason that the documentary said.

Whatever

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Owen_S

Food Inc. was pretty good, but it's the same companies who would end up producing the organic products if it really did achieve the majority share of the market, since they already have a monopoly over the growing and research facilities.

Markcheese

cloptrop wrote: »

Zillah wrote: »

I suppose I was naive to think that being reasonable in After Hours wouldn't end poorly.

Tell me how we can reasonably feed the world with meat free range style and still have room to not have to kill the rainforest, if we cant do it black room style without killing the rain forrest?
Ill tell you why and its the answer to every hippy documentary , Mcdonalds thats what.
Run out of answers put mcdonalds on the other side, complete propaganda.

It's simple . Promote vegatarianisim.... Leaves more meat for me....not a lot of rainforest in Ireland but room for more Cattle, small grass fed ones, well butchered and hung for 3 or 4 weeks.... Won't feed the masses .... So they can have quorn

cloptrop

Owen_S wrote: »

Food Inc. was pretty good, but it's the same companies who would end up producing the organic products if it really did achieve the majority share of the market, since they already have a monopoly over the growing and research facilities.

You see people dont have a problem with the method its the multi nationals they have a problem with . Alot of people will tell you organic farming is a crock of **** too and people are already flouting the laws. I think if people are that worried they should grow their own food and if not they should just go with whoever is the cheapest . Getting told a pack of stories about how organic is better is just the same as being told mcdonalds is better if you ask me.

KyussBishop

'Organic' is a bit of a divisive and unhelpful term really, in that:
1: It's part meaningless buzzword, with a wide and undefined application, and
2: It promotes dismissing genuine concerns along with illegitimate concerns, by taking one example of something organic, discrediting it, and using that as a basis to discredit all things organic

The issue at hand, can't be labelled as revolving around 'organic' stuff, as that is too simplistic and the term too meaningless.

If people were in general more aware of the miserable nature of how some animals are bred, and the health effects of that plus those of other foods such as (potentially) genetically modified crops, people would prefer paying a little more to get food which is ethically produced and which does not have negative health effects due to the way it is produced.

People don't have a problem so much with multinationals, but with their methods; if these multinationals produced food in a less unethical and more healthy way, people would be fine with them.

K-9

cloptrop wrote: »

No Id trust a corporation to make my food before Id trust some pikey farmer with 2 cows and a chicken. Just like Id trust mcdonalds food before Id trust some hot dog stand.



I dont believe anything multi nationals tell me , how many nations they operate in doesnt interest me , I listen to both sides and make my judgement, you listen to everything a documentary tells you and then side against multi nationals because they are bad for some reason that the documentary said.

LOL, but you'd trust Tesco or Walmart over the local butcher!

cloptrop

K-9 wrote: »

LOL, but you'd trust Tesco or Walmart over the local butcher!

Yes if I was to sue for food poisening id feel alot safer getting it from somebody that is insured up the yinghole.

Pride Fighter

Check out a documentary called Forks Over Knives. You should enjoy it

cloptrop

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Check out a documentary called Forks Over Knives. You should enjoy it

Which side does the propaganda support.

trollin trollin trollin

cloptrop wrote: »

Which side does the propaganda support.

It's another vegan propaganda video

It talks alot about the china study.I've seen so many videos from opposite sides and I'm still not sure whether paleo or vegan is healthier

cloptrop

I think Ill avoid it so . Id love a good documentary about an organic farmer not washing his hands after he uses the bathroom. Plent of din din diiiiiiin music.