PW Boards WWE Fantasy Game

Lord TSC

So I brought this up in the off-topic thread but I hope mods don't mind if I start one up for this.

I've always enjoyed fantasy games. Fantasy football is something I love to work on every season. And WWE had a fantasy game a few years back which I adored, but which ended up being a bit of hassle for them with pre-tapes and people, ya know, being able to predict outcomes of stories and angles weeks in advance :P

So I was thinking...how bout we start up a PW Boards WWE Fantasy Game! I'll be working out the rules over the next few days, and would love feedback and the likes. I'll outline what I was thinking to begin with, and we can edit and shape the game as people see fit. Here's what my thoughts are so far...

*Game runs from April 2nd 2012 until April 7th 2013; in other words, the Raw after this year's Mania up to next year's Mania.

*Each participant chooses five wrestlers, one from five different categories of wrestlers. At present, I think that would be...
* Main Eventer (John Cena, HHH, CM Punk, etc)
* Upper-Mid Card (Ziggler, Miz, etc)
* Mid-Card (Santino, Swagger, etc)
* Lower Card (NXT guys, Superstar guys, etc)
* Divas
These picks will be locked in place by a certain date, and there'd be windows in which you can exchange wrestlers, card positions can be altered and updated, rosters updated and the likes. Tag teams would not be eligible together; you can pick one guy but not both (this is to avoid people trying to pick Kofi/Truth and doubling their scores <_<). This is, of course, not a problem if the two manage to maintain different positions on the ranking list.

*Scoring would be really simple; 1 point per appearance on a show, 2 point for a win via pinfall or submission, 1 point for a win via DQ, -1 point for a loss. Double points on a PPV. We could probably add things to that, but I wouldn't want anything to difficult to record via online reports and written reviews; I don't actually watch NXT or Superstars so I'm not going to sit down and watch them so I can determine if someone gets a point for each weapon shot, etc. Title wins or defences could reward 1 bonus point. We'd work out bonus scores for special matches (Rumbles, Chambers, MITB matches, etc) on the weeks of those shows.

*If enough people signed up (say, 20+), I could probably see about organising a small prize as well, if the competition is still going this time next year; say, a €10 voucher (or thereabouts) for Silvervision to buy a wrestling DVD of your choice.

What do you lot think? Would this be something enough people would be interested in to get it going?

DM_7

Sounds like a fun idea.

Would each wrestler only be picked by one person? Or could everyone in theory pick Cena?

gnfnrhead

I'm in if their is enough interest.

starviewadams

I'd be up for it.

Lord TSC

DM-ICE wrote: »

Sounds like a fun idea.

Would each wrestler only be picked by one person? Or could everyone in theory pick Cena?

It's something I'm not 100% on yet, and thats why I want some time discussing potential rules. On the one hand, Cena seems an obvious pick and I wouldn't want everyone picking the same four wrestlers, but there wouldn't be enough unique main event wrestlers for everyone to pick.

D2D

I'm up for it

A Primal Nut

It's a good idea but would it be a lot of effort keeping track of each points totals for each wrestler and each poster?

Lord TSC

A Primal Nut wrote: »

It's a good idea but would it be a lot of effort keeping track of each points totals for each wrestler and each poster?

I don't see why.

As I said in the OP, I wouldn't want to do crazy amounts of points like the offical game used to (points for run ins, weapon shots, etc). Just for basic things; appearances, wins, losses and the likes. Ideally, it would be a matter of sitting down with a show recap, adding up points in five minutes, updating an Excel spreadsheet with each user's picks and voila.

DM_7

It would be easy enough to keep track I would have thought. Just need a good spreadsheet set up when wrestlers are selected.

I would happliy help out with that.

re how wrestlers are picked.

I would:

Make everyone have a certain amount of wrestlers. The same number for all.

Give everyone points to spend.

If its fantasy football style then give each wrestler a buy price. You make your team by spending what you have under the condition you don't go over that amount and you fill the roster places.

you can only make one transfer each month. Except one month we could allow a full roster transfer maybehalf way through.

other option is to do an auction where you buy your wrestlers. That was only one person can have Orton for example. But he would cost a lot to buy in an auction so the person who buys him will be filling the roster out with lesser stars.

Charisteas

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

DM-ICE wrote: »

Sounds like a fun idea.

Would each wrestler only be picked by one person? Or could everyone in theory pick Cena?

It's something I'm not 100% on yet, and thats why I want some time discussing potential rules. On the one hand, Cena seems an obvious pick and I wouldn't want everyone picking the same four wrestlers, but there wouldn't be enough unique main event wrestlers for everyone to pick.

Some people may like or hate this idea, but what about something along the lines of the football fantasy games that go around each year.

We each get 100 euro (fantasy money of course) and we can 'buy' a set number of wrestlers.

The idea is that the player who combines the shrewdest financial picks with the best predictions of guys who will have a good 2012 will win the game.

Say for example we can buy 6 wrestlers.

Before thinking about how much each wrestler would cost, the idea is that you will be able to choose your strategy by being able to afford different balance of roster, something like one of these 4 combinations-

2 main eventers + 2 mid-cards + 2 lower card

or,

1 main event + 4 mid-cards + 1 lower card

or,

3 or main eventers + 3 lower card

or,

6 mid-cards


Cena would likely be the most expensive guy to buy and cost something like 40 or even 50 euro which is half of your budget on only one guy, meaning that you would have to try and invest wisely on the other 50 euro on 5 guys who you think will have a good year in 2012. So some users will still buy him, other may prefer to save the cash to spread evenly on other guys.

Of the top of my head -

Main eventers would cost between 25 to 40 Euro.

Mid-cards cost between 15 to 20 Euro.

Lower card guys would cost between 5-10 Euro.

Wrestlers prices can rise or fall each month depending on how they are booked, and for more intrigue, you can even make 1 or 2 transfers each month.

This idea may be a bit too complex to arrange a game like this though.

Charisteas

Ah DM-ICE you already beat me to the fantasy football idea, good man :cool:

JP Liz V1

But Teddy DiBiase is priceless couldnt resist anyways sounds fun

Lord TSC

Charisteas wrote: »

This idea may be a bit too complex to arrange a game like this though.

I'm heading out now but when I come home, I can do up a sample price list and see what people think. We can raise or lower prices depending on if people thought it was too much or too little.

Personally, I'd have Cena as 80 or 90 out of 100 points; there'd have to be a discouragement to pick Cena really. He's easy points and to counter that, he'd have to be close to the only points you were getting.

The other way of doing it, maybe, would be to have multiplers for card positions; Main eventers get x1, Upper-Mid get x2, Mid gets x3 Divas and Lower card get x4. Going back to my original idea then, everyone would get to choose one from each class, but the most important picks would be from the lower card rather than the upper card, since that's where there'd be the most potential for big points....

A Primal Nut

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I'm heading out now but when I come home, I can do up a sample price list and see what people think. We can raise or lower prices depending on if people thought it was too much or too little.

Personally, I'd have Cena as 80 or 90 out of 100 points; there'd have to be a discouragement to pick Cena really. He's easy points and to counter that, he'd have to be close to the only points you were getting.

The other way of doing it, maybe, would be to have multiplers for card positions; Main eventers get x1, Upper-Mid get x2, Mid gets x3 Divas and Lower card get x4. Going back to my original idea then, everyone would get to choose one from each class, but the most important picks would be from the lower card rather than the upper card, since that's where there'd be the most potential for big points....

Even without multipliers, Beth Phoenix would probably would be the most valuable pick right now of all the wrestlers, especially given that main eventers have so many unclean endings! So I certainly don't agree with x4 for divas.

I prefer your first idea with points! Like that one!

gnfnrhead

For the prices, I dont think there needs to be too many different prices. Say the 100 starting money, Cena on about 60, the rest of the main eventers on about 50, midcarders and top divas (Beth, Kharma etc) around 30, lower card and random divas around 15, maybe even FCW guys on 5 or 10 as they would be unlikely to get you anything and youre taking a risk in picking them.

If you pick Cena, you only have 40 left for four or five people. Dont think too many people would be willing to take that option, especially not if you impose a minimum amount of people on each team.

Also, for the rewards thing, why not have the leader after each PPV get an extra 10 to spend if he/she wants to make a trade? Everyone else would stay on 100, but they would go to 110.

Lord TSC

Also, for the rewards thing, why not have the leader after each PPV get an extra 10 to spend if he/she wants to make a trade? Everyone else would stay on 100, but they would go to 110.

I never like those sorts of reward systems tbh; what would happen there is since the winner has more points to spend, they have more chance of getting points, so will continue to stay in the lead....

Anywhere, here's a first draft of the roster (as based on Wiki's roster) and prices. Debate and feedback is highly encouraged here. Below the list, I've explained a few of the decisions...

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MAIN EVENTERS
CM Punk - 60
Daniel Bryan - 50
HHH - 60
John Cena - 70
Sheamus - 50
The Rock - 60
Undertaker - 60

UPPER MID
Alberto Del Rio - 30
Big Show - 40
Christian - 30
Cody Rhodes - 30
David Otunga - 25
Dolph Ziggler - 30
Kane - 30
Mark Henry - 30
Randy Orton - 40
Rey Mysterio - 30
Santino - 25
The Miz - 40
Wade Barrett - 35

MID
Brodus Clay - 30
Drew McIntyre - 15
Epico - 25
Evan Bourne - 20
Ezekiel Jackson - 20
Hornswoggle - 10
Hunico - 25
Jack Swagger - 30
Jinder Mahal - 25
Justin Gabriel - 25
Kofi - 30
Primo - 25
R-Truth - 30
Sin Cara - 20
Ted DiBiase - 20
Zack Ryder - 30

LOWER
Alex Riley - 15
Curt Hawkins - 15
Darren Young - 15
Derrick Bateman - 15
Heath Slater - 15
Jey Uso - 15
Jimmy Uso - 15
Johnny Curtis - 15
JTG - 15
Mason Ryan - 15
Michael McGilicutty - 15
Percy Watson - 15
Skip Sheffield - 25
Titus O'Neil - 15
Trent Barreta - 15
Tyler Reks - 15
Tyson Kidd - 15
Yoshi Tatsu - 15

DIVAS
AJ - 15
Aksana - 15
Alicia Fox - 15
Beth Phoenix - 40
Brie Bella - 25
Eve - 25
Kaitlyn - 15
Kelly Kelly - 35
Kharma - 35
Layla - 25
Natalya - 15
Nikki Bella - 25
Rosa Mendes - 15
Tamina Snuka - 20

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Some notes:
I've put the main eventers pretty high; for me, Punk and Cena, and currently DB and Sheamo, are easy points week in week out and as such get high scores. I've left Rock, Taker and HHH on the list as MErs and left them high cause of how unlikely it is they will lose matches. Given, though, they have low chances of appearance, maybe I should lower their scores?

Card positions are based on who has been on the top shows really; some might not think Otunga and Santino should be high up the card, but they are captains of a Mania team and getting their feud on TV on Raw AND Smackdown. And the US title is involved. I'm willing to change some people round if they disagree; I'll admit I'm unsure about some of the lower card Smackdown guys since I don't watch Smackdown that much. If people only appear on Superstars or NXT, they aren't getting as high a card position or score.

Really though, I'm not sure about lower card guys; if someone is doing really well on Superstars, should they get higher scores even if they don't even register on Raw or Smackdown?

With some people like Rey, Del Rio or Sin Cara, I've based their scores on probable card position should or when they return.

DM_7

How many wrestlers do you have to select and how many points can we spend?

Not worth working out points till we decide the above.

Lord TSC

I'd say 100 points. As many wrestlers as you can budget for that?

gnfnrhead

Should Orton not be ME? Or do you plan on adjusting them as the months go by?

Lord TSC

Yeah, I think updates every three months would be a good idea.

For now, I wouldn't consider Ortan as a main eventer; he's in a throwaway match at Mania and has done little for months now. Thats why I put him (as well as Miz and Show) as more expensive Upper-mids but who would easily move up to ME if they were given a decent feud...

DM_7

Orton is defo main event level.

also I think there should be a set amount of wrestlers you have to pick. At least 5 anyway.

going by that I would have Cena at 35 points.

30 points for Punk, Orton, Sheamus as face wrestlers normally win.

25 for the top heels, Bryan, Jericho, Del Rio etc.

20 for Show, Christian, Kane, Miz level.

15 for Kofi, Truth level.

10 for your Riley's

5 for FCW

I wouldn't include Rock, Taker, HHH in the game at all.

Lord TSC

I'll bump Orton up to ME level then, but he'll still be cheaper than the likes of Cena and Punk imo. Really, the levels are just there for the moment as a way of people seeing who is where, rather than one massive list.

I really don't want to force people to choose a set number of wrestlers if there's a point-buy system. The entire purpose of a point-buy system, for me, should be that you can go for one or two big names, a load of little names or any selection in between. What do others think?

DM_7

Is pretty clear what I think but I would also like to hear other people views.

Lord TSC

Working on updating scores before launch, bumping some people up and down the card (is DB still a main eventer for instance?) and adding Tensai, Lesnar etc. So if anyone has any final words of wisdom, I'd like to hear them now before I put up rules and such and people don't like them :P