Avengers build up.. In what order?

Skinfull

So we're planning a build up session of all the Avenger individual movies before the Avengers viewing but there is some debate over what order they should be watched in. Should they be watched in chronological order, or in release order, and do we go off cannon and watch a different Hulk movie

Chronological:
Captain America: The first Avenger
Iron Man
Iron Man 2
The Incredible Hulk
Thor

Release:
Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 2
Thor
Captain America: The First Avenger
The Avengers

Thoughts?

constitutionus

ya can get away with both TBH but the chronological one would be the one i go for.

the only bit in cap that would be out of place would be the avengers trailer itself after the credits.

with all the others their after credit clips actually fit.

so you line up looks fine to me.

i'd ignore the other hulk film for the purposes of this as it doesnt factor in at all.

Skinfull

constitutionus wrote: »

ya can get away with both TBH but the chronological one would be the one i go for.

the only bit in cap that would be out of place would be the avengers trailer itself after the credits.

with all the others their after credit clips actually fit.

so you line up looks fine to me.

i'd ignore the other hulk film for the purposes of this as it doesnt factor in at all.

Well this is a little over a 10 hour runtime so chances are no credits will be watched! Pausing only for pizza pick up and possible pee breaks. No alcohol allowed until after Iron man otherwise it will be constant flow of pee breaks!

brianregan09

I was planning to watch one a night in the weeks run up to Avengers

Skinfull

brianregan09 wrote: »

I was planning to watch one a night in the weeks run up to Avengers

Yeah we were gonna do that but we decided to hit it head on in one go! And then there is that case of beer that we need to drink!

Galvasean

I'd go with chronological. That way you can watch SHIELD develop.

PerlenBacher

Its kind of odd the way they made the movies in that order.
Seeing as how its Captain America and The Avengers you would of thought the Captain America movie would of been made in 2009 or something

Nervous Wreck

PerlenBacher wrote: »

Its kind of odd the way they made the movies in that order.
Seeing as how its Captain America and The Avengers you would of thought the Captain America movie would of been made in 2009 or something

Made sense to make Iron Man first. Hook people in with a witty character, well-respected actor and lots of explosions.

constitutionus

plus caps a nightmare.

i LOVED that film and have ended up watching cap on DVD a hell of alot more than i though i would (thas CSO show STILL brings a smile to my face) but its a tough sell to the public and couldve been fupped up way too easily.

with iron man they were literally following on from the sucess of transformers, so the public had already shown an appetite for techno action.

this also meant that when iron man hit they could big up the superhero side of things with hulk and thor so they knew after them there was at least a genre for cap up and running.

i have to be honest i dont think marvel gets all the cred it should for how they rolled these films out. in retrospect theyve played a blinder.

Mickeroo

Arguably their order of release is the chronological order apart from Cap I guess, although the last 5 minutes or so of cap would have taken place after the other movies i would have thought.

Nervous Wreck

Mickeroo wrote: »

Arguably their order of release is the chronological order apart from Cap I guess, although the last 5 minutes or so of cap would have taken place after the other movies i would have thought.

Agree.

Sasquatch76

I re-watched the Incredible Hulk the other night after seeing a few animated movies with the big green fella. Don't think I'll be putting myself through it again before Avengers (not like Norton is in it anyway), but I'll definitely be having a marathon of the other movies, in the order Mickeroo suggests.

Skinfull

So a couple of votes for release and a couple of vote for chronological.

In regards to Nick Fury appearances though isn't it best to watch it in a release way, so that its consistent?

Oafley Jones

One thing that I'm glad about the Avengers movies, is that there will be less chance of the SHIELD cross promotional ****e being shoehorned into the next few marvel movies.

Am I the only one that actually liked the Incredible Hulk with Edward Norton?

It was a good move to have Iron Man released first in the series, because for me (movie-wise), it was the most enjoyable.

constitutionus

Mickeroo wrote: »

Arguably their order of release is the chronological order apart from Cap I guess, although the last 5 minutes or so of cap would have taken place after the other movies i would have thought.

i was thinking that myself till ti thought "hang on, what actually happened in those five minutes ?

we just see cap legging it from sheild and ending up in modern new york.

theres actually no indiciation that any of the other characters are known by that time.

heck IIRC i dont think fury even references who he works for so you can say all this precedes ironman 1 because i think thats the first time the sheild acronom is introduced.

in fact the clip at the end of iron mans credits fits in better if cap comes first then as fury outright says "do you think your the only superhero in the world?".

you could make a case that caps reappearance was the catalyst in furys mind to found the avengers initiative in the first place.

with him then building the team around him.

it really depends on how whedon plays this all out in the film but as it stands you can say chronologically all of cap fits as what should be the first film.

Well - here are the end sequences:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgKVcHdcOGM

Might sound stupid, but could Captain America: The First Avenger more refer to the fact that he was recruited first (as seen at the end of the movie) and not that he technically came first chronologically?

Mickeroo

Deleted User wrote: »

Am I the only one that actually liked the Incredible Hulk with Edward Norton?

I thought the Norton Hulk movie was great fun.

@Constitutionus: Yea thats a good point. I always thought the whole thing with Fury mentioning other supes at the end of Iron Man was just hinting at the Marvel universe as a whole rather than specifically talking about the other Avengers but you could very well be right. I wouldn't look too much into SHIELD not being mentioned though, I'm pretty sure SHIELD supposed to have been around long before the timeline of the films.

Even if you put Cap first I still reckon the other films are best watched in order of release though.

Skinfull

I like order of release as it splits up the Iron Man flicks and having watched that compilation of clips there isn't really a necessary order for Nick Furys appearances.

constitutionus

i loved the norton hulk.

particularly tim roths pre abomination character. it was the first time i thought "jays maybe cap WONT suck" as it was pretty much a breif look at what a cap/hulk fight might look like.



the opening scenes set up a nice little "get you up to speed" device too.

@mickeroo.

oh yeah man definetly , i wouldnt change the order of the other ones and i only meant the acronym for sheild as a nod to the running joke from coulson in IM1 when he kept going "supreme h.blah blah blah" before settling on "sheild" at the end , as opposed to the institution itself.

i wouldnt be surprised if in future avengers films (fingers crossed ) that its revealed that sheild goes all the way back to WW2 (Though i dont see em going as FAR back as the recent mini series by hickman !)

maybe even a multinatinal organisation dedicated to making sure stuff like the skull doesnt happen again (he did basically go AWOL from hitler)

krudler

Deleted User wrote: »

Am I the only one that actually liked the Incredible Hulk with Edward Norton?

It was a good move to have Iron Man released first in the series, because for me (movie-wise), it was the most enjoyable.

I prefered the Norton Hulk to the Bana movie, which was trying to be uber serious while being about a big green man in shorts.

Mickeroo

krudler wrote: »

I prefered the Norton Hulk to the Bana movie, which was trying to be uber serious while being about a big green man in shorts.

In fairness the studio made them add the shorts in that one

I liked Ang Lee's one, I admire what they tried to do with it although they didn't quite pull it off. I think it still holds up as an alternate universe kind of hulk movie but for me the Norton one is a true Incredible Hulk movie set in the Marvel universe.

Was there seemingly a lot of trouble between Ang Lee's intended version and what the studio wanted to see? At least I know there was one with the visuals - Ang Lee wanted more of a mechanical Hulk, but they ended up mostly CGi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1iyt5isSRo

Skinfull

So it turns out that Cineworld is doing a week long of Avengers build up in the run up to the movie. I read it in the cine mag last night (though I cant find any info about it online)

No info about where it will be, as in uk only or across the board. Anyone hear anything?

Sasquatch76

Skinfull wrote: »

So it turns out that Cineworld is doing a week long of Avengers build up in the run up to the movie. I read it in the cine mag last night (though I cant find any info about it online)

No info about where it will be, as in uk only or across the board. Anyone hear anything?

Haven't heard anything but I'd be all over that. Will report back if I find anything out.

Ant

Skinfull wrote: »

So it turns out that Cineworld is doing a week long of Avengers build up in the run up to the movie. I read it in the cine mag last night

If that's the case, I think I'll hang on to my Unlimited card for another while. (I've been meaning to cancel it so I'll support other city centre cinemas such as Lighthouse, IFI, Screen and Odeon). So far, I've only seen Thor in the cinema so I'd definitely be on for this.

Overheal

Iron man
Hulk
Captain America
Iron man 2
Thor
Avengers!

I think cap is rediscovered only after the start of Thor though, but by the end of thor they've recovered the power source red skull was using and trying to figure it out. In iron man 2 they're still focused on third hammer and stark seems unaware of caps shield. Or, he's in the middle of reconstructing it. Idk

tony1kenobi

Is Ghost World not a Black Widow origin film?

I watch that every time my bird goes out.

I'll be pissed if I got that wrong.

Or maybe I won't.

Skinfull

Skinfull wrote: »

So it turns out that Cineworld is doing a week long of Avengers build up in the run up to the movie. I read it in the cine mag last night (though I cant find any info about it online)

No info about where it will be, as in uk only or across the board. Anyone hear anything?

So yeah... according to the unlmited magazine...

Sat 21st - Iron Man
Sun 22nd - The Incredible hulk
Mon 23rd - Iron Man 2
Tue 24th - Thor
Wed 25th - Cpt America
Thur 26th - The Avengers

Zero-Cool

That is class out of Cineworld! Hopefully there will be a huge dvd/blu-ray collection released once Avengers makes it to disk.

As much as I liked Nortons Hulk, Ruffalo really makes the character his own, did a great job.

I still want to know if Cap was recovered before Iron Man 2 and Tony was tasked with rebuilding his shield or if it was just an easter egg with no meaning behind it.

Mindkiller

Release order surely. The purpose of prequels is that you enjoy the little retrospective references and jokes as a kind of nod to the other films.

CastorTroy

I plan on going release order. With Iron Man/Incredible Hulk/Iron Man 2, I know the events of Hulk and Iron Man 2 overlap.

As for Cap, I do see the points about his movie being first and background to things previously used (Super soldier serum, Cosmic cube), but I think as it works as a direct lead-in to The Avengers, I would leave it til last.

Nervous Wreck

sheehy83 wrote: »

I still want to know if Cap was recovered before Iron Man 2 and Tony was tasked with rebuilding his shield or if it was just an easter egg with no meaning behind it.

When he's recovered from the ice at the start of Captain America, the shield is intact. Also, it's made of vibranium; the one in Tony's basement (which can also be seen in the background in the first Iron Man film btw) is just a replica made of plastic. A nice little easter egg though.

Nervous Wreck

Skinfull wrote: »

So yeah... according to the unlmited magazine...

Sat 21st - Iron Man
Sun 22nd - The Incredible hulk
Mon 23rd - Iron Man 2
Tue 24th - Thor
Wed 25th - Cpt America
Thur 26th - The Avengers

Cineworld Twitter: "The season of Marvel films mentioned in the Cineworld mag is now not happening, we couldn't get the prints. Sorry all"

Skinfull

Awww Ah well, guess movie marathon at home will have to do.

don ramo

been spreading them out, watched both Iron Mans, then Thor, then Captain America and just watch The Incredible Hulk there, i am ready

the ending of hulk would indicate its very close to assembling the avengers, stark walks into the bar telling the general hes assembling a team, tis a shame norton threw a tantrum (of whatever happened) and isnt gonna be in the avengers, but what are ya gonna do, i hope ruffalo gets his own hulk film, it would be great if they got the team that made TIH back for ruffalos film, it was a good show,

Zero-Cool

It's weird, doesn't sound like there will be a new hulk film. I'm only hearing about iron man 3, thor 2 and cap america 2. Ruffalo definitely deserves his own film but on the other hand I would prefer The Avengers 2 instead of a filler film if they couldn't get a solid story together.

Mickeroo

sheehy83 wrote: »

It's weird, doesn't sound like there will be a new hulk film. I'm only hearing about iron man 3, thor 2 and cap america 2. Ruffalo definitely deserves his own film but on the other hand I would prefer The Avengers 2 instead of a filler film if they couldn't get a solid story together.

Judging by the audience reaction to the Hulk, as far as I can see, they'd be mad not give him his own movie again.

don ramo

sheehy83 wrote: »

It's weird, doesn't sound like there will be a new hulk film. I'm only hearing about iron man 3, thor 2 and cap america 2. Ruffalo definitely deserves his own film but on the other hand I would prefer The Avengers 2 instead of a filler film if they couldn't get a solid story together.

the incredible hulk was a good film and i assume is still a lead in to the avengers, the only difference being that ruffalo is playing banner instead of norton,

i cant see why they couldn't get a good story together for another hulk film, god knows there is enough material to go off,

Cokeistan

its a shame edward norton couldnt agree terms to play as the hulk in the avengers, i thought he played the role well and think it would have been interesting to see him on screen with robert downey jr

allibastor

yeah a new hulk film is needed. they also need to up his power levels a bit in it. he was strong but not able to leap miles or anything like that.

cant wait for the avengers. i just want to see hulk smash.

CastorTroy

Reason for no new Hulk movie may be due to them running out of actors to play the part.

Just got Iron Man watched on Saturday, so still have 4 to go.

don ramo

allibastor wrote: »

yeah a new hulk film is needed. they also need to up his power levels a bit in it. he was strong but not able to leap miles or anything like that.

cant wait for the avengers. i just want to see hulk smash.

he did in banas hulk film, but i think i remember a lot of people criticized the fact he was jumping miles in a single bound, apparently it was unrealistic :rolleyes:

brianregan09

Started my own marathon last night with Iron Man 1 and The Incredible Hulk today (IM2 later) but am yeah i think norton although he was good i bet ruffalo can match him or better him if he was given a solo film , Apparently theres Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 next year and 2014 they've got Cap 2 and another unnannouced film could be Hulk 2!

don ramo

brianregan09 wrote: »

Started my own marathon last night with Iron Man 1 and The Incredible Hulk today (IM2 later) but am yeah i think norton although he was good i bet ruffalo can match him or better him if he was given a solo film , Apparently theres Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 next year and 2014 they've got Cap 2 and another unnannouced film could be Hulk 2!

isn't nick fury suppose to be getting his own film at some stage also, and no doubt if avengers does good well be getting a sequel,

AFAIK most of the casts of each of them films have been signed on for multiple film deals, it was the only way to make such films as the avengers without having to constantly renegotiate new deals each time your
making another iron man or thor film, and having to replace an actor that pulls out of the franchise,

Skinfull

Man I cant wait for Sat!!! So many movies, so many super heroes!!!

Marathon of joy will kick off at noon.

Nervous Wreck

don ramo wrote: »

isn't nick fury suppose to be getting his own film at some stage also, and no doubt if avengers does good well be getting a sequel,

AFAIK most of the casts of each of them films have been signed on for multiple film deals, it was the only way to make such films as the avengers without having to constantly renegotiate new deals each time your
making another iron man or thor film, and having to replace an actor that pulls out of the franchise,

I really hope Fury doesn't get his own movie. He works fantastically in the role they've given him. Overexposure would damage his cool.

CastorTroy

I believe it won't be a Fury movie but a SHIELD movie. So Fury, Maria Hill, etc.

Though how could they top the Fury movie starring the Hoff?

Overheal

don ramo wrote: »

he did in banas hulk film, but i think i remember a lot of people criticized the fact he was jumping miles in a single bound, apparently it was unrealistic :rolleyes:

Sounds like the director failed to make it fit in with the movie, either by failing to give it any emphasis or failing to set it as a possibility in this fictional setting. For instance when I first saw clips of Incredible Hulk and your Reservoir Dog lad is jumping around wildly with pistols I thought "wow that is bull****" but in actually watching the movie you come to find "oh that makes sense".

"Unrealistic" is what you make it, for your film. Think of all the unrealistic yet completely acceptable anarchy that happened in The Matrix.