Clamped bike

Vic_Mackey

Bike parked in the IFSC gets clamped. I realise there's a "No Parking" sign but still, Uncool :mad:

Clamped bike

KTRIC

OOh thats not on, Surely it'd be easily removed by popping off the wheel.

Cuddlesworth

Ring bike recovery or mate with a van, get bike lifted into the back of the van and driven home. Remove clamp in private. Park bike back in the same spot the next day. See how many clamps they have.

Cuddlesworth

KTRIC wrote: »

OOh thats not on, Surely it'd be easily removed by popping off the wheel.

If they threaded the chain through the wheel?

spankmaster2000

What happens if those tossers knocked over your bike while trying to fit the clamp? I assume they're liable for any damage caused?

Could you send them a bill for any repair work that needed doing anyway, and claim that they caused it?

tiernanobrien

id rather cut the wheel up and get a new one from a breakers than pay!

arybvtcw0eolkf

Damn thats cheeky.. Not a hope in hell I'd pay for that release.

I just cleaned that image up a little.

eurofoxy

i would be getting myself a skateboard and wheeling the thing home, it can't be that hard to get the thing off in a garage full of tools, but i do believe its criminal damage if you damage their property so i would have to be extra careful with the angle grinder...

Hotblack Desiato

Can they do that without providing any legal place to park?

Paparazzo

As long as the clamp says NCPS and not Dublin City Council, the bolt cutters comes out.

Paparazzo

ninja900 wrote: »

Can they do that without providing any legal place to park?

What NCPS can do, and what they will do, are 2 completely different things

arybvtcw0eolkf

Paparazzo wrote: »

As long as the clamp says NCPS and not Dublin City Council, the bolt cutters comes out.

DCC don't follow up on lost clamps.

CrazyRabbit

Clamping? No no...you misunderstand.

They simply were not impressed with the measures the owner used to secure his bike. So they added the chain & anchor to ensure that nobody would steal it.

Very thoughtful to be honest.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Makes a handy disc lock reminder I guess.

Hotblack Desiato

Paparazzo wrote: »

What NCPS can do, and what they will do, are 2 completely different things

Yeah, I know, but just humour me

KamiKazi

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Ring bike recovery or mate with a van, get bike lifted into the back of the van and driven home. Remove clamp in private. Park bike back in the same spot the next day. See how many clamps they have.

That's what I did. They never put a second one on after losing the first clamp

Please Kill Me

KamiKazi wrote: »

That's what I did. They never put a second one on after losing the first clamp

I remember that mate - funniest thing ever!!! LOL

Wonda-Boy

****in scumbags....I would also rip the wheel to shreds before I pay that release. I bet the rim was in bits after the monkey lashed that on before his "Cappucino" :mad::mad:

RosieJoe

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

****in scumbags....I would also rip the wheel to shreds before I pay that release. I bet the rim was in bits after the monkey lashed that on before his "Cappucino" :mad::mad:

What? The clamper drives a BMW!!!!

AgileMyth

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Ring bike recovery or mate with a van, get bike lifted into the back of the van and driven home. Remove clamp in private. Park bike back in the same spot the next day. See how many clamps they have.

You really have to do this! If you could get a few mates to park up alongside you too it might illustrate your point..

ogriofa

Good jaysus,
is that a motorbike specific clamp? As in, if its a car clamp can you say that undue care and attention yada yada yada.

I am not a fan (trust me: I probably hate them a little more than some of you) but was this guy taking the piss a bit? That looks like it was parked in the middle of a pedestrian area, beside a bench.

psicic

On one hand, I agree it looks like the guy may have parked in a manner that could obstruct pedestrians - especially regarding the bench - but I don't know the area well enough to comment.

If it was me, there's absolutely no way I'd pay to get that removed. That doesn't look like a bike-specific clamp (if it is, I'd love to see a link with more info on it). For that reason alone I would complain to whoever put that clamp on. (I love to say I threaten them with legal action, interfering with property etc... but in reality unless there was serious damage the best I could probably muster myself is a strongly worded letter or telephone call!)

Secondly, according to Bye-Law 13 of the Dublin City Parking Bye-Laws 2011 "A motor cycle, with or without a sidecar, or a pedal cycle shall not be parked during operational hours in a ticket parking place." Okay, so that's not carte blanche to go parking in every 'no-parking' area, but it would have to be a really, really bad parking job to justify clamping in my opinion - I'm talking blocking the entry to a building or shop, blocking a hydrant or ambulance access, or obstructing those footpath guides for blind people or something like that.

But since they don't seem to have even used a proper bike clamp, it looks more like it was some tosser of a clamper who doesn't know the law and decided to punish a motorcyclist for being too cool. :cool:

Cuddlesworth

ogriofa wrote: »

I am not a fan (trust me: I probably hate them a little more than some of you) but was this guy taking the piss a bit? That looks like it was parked in the middle of a pedestrian area, beside a bench.

I wouldn't have said so. Its off the main path and out of the way.

Paparazzo

The bike doesn't restrict pedestrians. Having said that, I probably wouldn't park so close to a seat. I'd park in the foreground in the open area in Cuddlesworth's google street view link.

Del2005

psicic wrote: »

On one hand, I agree it looks like the guy may have parked in a manner that could obstruct pedestrians - especially regarding the bench - but I don't know the area well enough to comment.

I don't think it's a bench, more some silly street furniture to keep the planners happy while they where screwing us. It could obstruct pedestrians but someone sitting on the bench would cause the same hindrance.

psicic wrote: »

If it was me, there's absolutely no way I'd pay to get that removed. That doesn't look like a bike-specific clamp (if it is, I'd love to see a link with more info on it). For that reason alone I would complain to whoever put that clamp on. (I love to say I threaten them with legal action, interfering with property etc... but in reality unless there was serious damage the best I could probably muster myself is a strongly worded letter or telephone call!)

Secondly, according to Bye-Law 13 of the Dublin City Parking Bye-Laws 2011 "A motor cycle, with or without a sidecar, or a pedal cycle shall not be parked during operational hours in a ticket parking place." Okay, so that's not carte blanche to go parking in every 'no-parking' area, but it would have to be a really, really bad parking job to justify clamping in my opinion - I'm talking blocking the entry to a building or shop, blocking a hydrant or ambulance access, or obstructing those footpath guides for blind people or something like that.

But since they don't seem to have even used a proper bike clamp, it looks more like it was some tosser of a clamper who doesn't know the law and decided to punish a motorcyclist for being too cool. :cool:

It's in the IFIC. That's all private land so they can do as they please, but on the same note as it's a private clamp so you can do as you please.

daenerysstormborn3

ninja900 wrote: »

Can they do that without providing any legal place to park?

This, ten times over!

Paparazzo

I'd guess the argument from NCPS is that it's not their problem if there's no bike spaces. The only way they remove clamps is if you pay them to.
Cutting them off is the only way.

carsQhere

There's no legislation in this country which permits private companies to clamp your vehicle whether bike or car. The local authorities can clamp you on public roadways, but private companies are not covered by that legislation.

In this particular case, the picture suggests the bike was parked in an unobtrusive manner, and did not preclude the use of the "bench" by pedestrians.

If you are clamped by the likes of NCPS you basically have to choose between paying up and trying to recover your costs in the small clains court or removing the clamp yourself which potentially leaves you open to criminal damage charges.

Fighting Irish

deserved tbh

Paparazzo

Wonder how strong their chains are? I'd head to the nearest hardware to get a bolt cutters. Easy to get in at the chain.

Cuddlesworth

Paparazzo wrote: »

Wonder how strong their chains are? I'd head to the nearest hardware to get a bolt cutters. Easy to get in at the chain.

With all the camera's around there you could easily be done for criminal damage. Better option is the Van. Although once you do it, you realize how easy it is to do.

sf80

ogriofa wrote: »

Good jaysus,
is that a motorbike specific clamp? As in, if its a car clamp can you say that undue care and attention yada yada yada.

That's exactly what I'm thinking, it's a car clamp not designed for a bike. It's cause damage, chip the paint on the wheel, might damage the disc.

They didn't stick a 'your clamped' sign on the window either so what if the biker doesn't notice the clamp?

NCPS though, so treat it as a scrap metal gift

KamiKazi

The chains aren't hardened steel or anything, not like the metal that expensive bike chains are made from (Almax etc.). Two seconds with an angle grinder and they're gone.

Paparazzo

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

With all the camera's around there you could easily be done for criminal damage. Better option is the Van. Although once you do it, you realize how easy it is to do.

I heard of people getting the chain fixed.
But could be worth getting your mate to call up and actually do the cutting, make sure he has his tax disc in a decent spot on the back of the bike and he leaves his helmet on.

kevin-46

where did it happen and is this a new thing there doin now ??

Rowanvella199

Someone was telling e clampers are offered an "incentive" for claping larger amounts of cars, or in tis case bikes!

Hotblack Desiato

The whole problem is that clamping on private property is totally unregulated. There's no law saying they have the right to clamp your bike i.e. interfering with your property, but there's seemingly no law stopping them, either. (this needs some case law, in other words someone willing and able to fight it all the way in court)

IFSC is private property even though it has what look like public footpaths and what look like public roads. The Road Traffic Acts can apply on private property (e.g. shopping centres) but the bye-laws in relation to parking don't. At least it's usually obvious in a shopping centre that you're on private property and different rules may apply. There should be clear signage on entry to these properties setting out the parking rules and there should be regulation and an appeals process for private clamping.

They can do other weird stuff in the IFSC e.g. stop you taking photographs as the pavement you are walking on is 'private property'. This is unjust. The right to photograph in a public place is a civil right. Public space has been silently privatised and there isn't even a sign to warn you that your rights have been stolen.

The situation stinks and IMHO the best and most just answer is that any place to which the public have un-gated access on foot or by vehicle should be regarded as public property unless very clearly signed otherwise, with strict regulations applying to clamping in particular.

Green_Martian

I would go fooking nuts, what would happen if they knocked the bike over while figuring out how to fit the clamp, i work in the IFSC and i think its a joke as there are no designated places for parking never mind designated bike parking in the area, if im right i think that is a private company clampint there not the council. Thereis a pay and display are on the road that leads to the back on connolly station but as we all know if a bike was to take up a space there car drivers would go mad and complain :rolleyes:

tinyjiney

What would happen if say, the owner comes back to his bike, its late evening....he doesnt have a mobile or enough money to get the clamp removed..he gets a bus/taxi home and goes to pick up his bike the next day with his money and phone...but during the night the bike was robbed........would NCPS be partly responsible.....

Wossack

tinyjiney wrote: »

What would happen if say, the owner comes back to his bike, its late evening....he doesnt have a mobile or enough money to get the clamp removed..he gets a bus/taxi home and goes to pick up his bike the next day with his money and phone...but during the night the bike was robbed........would NCPS be partly responsible.....

yes, and not just partly responsible imo

Fighting Irish

Rowanvella199 wrote: »

Someone was telling e clampers are offered an "incentive" for claping larger amounts of cars, or in tis case bikes!

Probably, but at the end of the day it's a good thing, i hate people who park illegally usually holding up other people

RosieJoe

Fighting Irish wrote: »

Probably, but at the end of the day it's a good thing, i hate people who park illegally usually holding up other people

Off topic here, but cars parked illegally causing an obstruction should never be clamped as this adds more time to get the car out of the way when the owner returns. They should be lifted straight away!

gone_fishing

looks like a man with a van job there to me, cut the chain at home and next time your parking there bring the clamp with you and put it back on with your own lock so they dont put a second one on

faceman

As much as this incident of clamping is insane, everytime a thread on the site about clamping comes about, you get a high percentage of people encouraging cutting the clamp if its not covered by DCC.

But have any of those people who encourage it, ever done it?

KamiKazi

faceman wrote: »

As much as this incident of clamping is insane, everytime a thread on the site about clamping comes about, you get a high percentage of people encouraging cutting the clamp if its not covered by DCC.

But have any of those people who encourage it, ever done it?

I have.

daenerysstormborn3

I know two people who have cut clamps off their cars after being clamped by NCPS and nothing ever came of it. Both were about 1-2 years ago when I was living in Dublin.

Cuddlesworth

gone_fishing wrote: »

looks like a man with a van job there to me, cut the chain at home and next time your parking there bring the clamp with you and put it back on with your own lock so they dont put a second one on

Yep, they clamped our work van while we were doing up a apartment. We had parked in the apartments spot with their permission and had notified the management company. Took about a minute from seeing the clamp to cutting the chain with the croppers, and dropping the clamp into the skip. They clamped us the next day. Didn't clamp us after the second one, but had a good long look at the van on the third day before leaving.

Luckycharm

Where in the IFSC is that I have parked there a few times not had any probs though.

Green_Martian

Luckycharm wrote: »

Where in the IFSC is that I have parked there a few times not had any probs though.

Just outside Lagoona and just off the little cobble road beside the luas stop

Luckycharm

Green_Martian wrote: »

Just outside Lagoona and just off the little cobble road beside the luas stop

Is there still a bike rack across the road near the ATM used to park there a fair bit.

Green_Martian

Luckycharm wrote: »

Is there still a bike rack across the road near the ATM used to park there a fair bit.

Yep there is, but did you ever see the state of the push bikes that do be locked there, it's like a chop shop for push bikes half of them missing wheels etc