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Israel is shaking down Germany

  • 21-03-2012 4:06pm
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 921 ✭✭✭


    The German government recently agreed after three years of negotiations to pay $178 million of the $659 million cost of the vessel, as requested by Israel.
    In 2006, Israel ordered two more boats during the administration of German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder. Berlin agreed to pick up one-third of the cost of $1.27 billion of the more advanced subs.

    http://www.omglobe.com/2012/03/20/top-news-us/israel-to-sign-deal-for-sixth-german-sub/

    This is national extortion. It seems that since the foundation of Israel, Germany has already paid over 100 billion marks. Just last year, or 2010 at the latest, Israel demanded another billion. Now another 200 million. Its high time Germany told Israel to go to hell. Quite a shamless industry little Israel has forged out for itself here. Give us your hard earned taxes, or else we'll cry anti-semitism.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    My main issue with reparations to Israel, is that there isn't enough money isn't going to Holocaust survivors:

    Holocaust survivors' poverty is Israel's dirty little secret

    Holocaust survivors and there families are the ones who should be getting reparations, not the state of Israel, who are at this moment openly violating international law in regards to the Palestinians. Germany shouldn't be helping to fund the oppression of Palestinians, while Holocaust survivors are living in poverty.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    Holocaust reparations payed in war machines... utterly sickening.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    BTW, as a disabled person, am I entitled to reparations? and the Gypsies?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    RichieC wrote: »
    BTW, as a disabled person, am I entitled to reparations? and the Gypsies?
    Did you lose anyone during the Holocaust? If not, no.
    Plenty of people, Jewish, Roma or otherwise are still fighting cases in countries such as Greece over collaboration during the war and pilferage following the war.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Israel played hardball on a business deal to save some money, get over it op. I wish the Irish government would play hardball with the germans over our debt reduction.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    ......Israelis in German U-boats....it's odd how things pan out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    JustinDee wrote: »
    Did you lose anyone during the Holocaust? If not, no.
    Plenty of people, Jewish, Roma or otherwise are still fighting cases in countries such as Greece over collaboration during the war and pilferage following the war.

    The lions share of Israel didn't lose anyone either. Nor were they even German.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    The Germans don't seem to kick up much of a fuss about it. It's similar to how the US gives 'aid' to the likes of Egypt on condition it's spent on US weaponry.

    It's essentially extracting money from the tax payer and providing jobs building military stuff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    RichieC wrote: »
    The lions share of Israel didn't lose anyone either. Nor were they even German.
    ???
    You've evidence of people falsely claiming and to the level of a "Lion's share"? You will be hard pushed to find any Jewish or Roma families who lost nobody in the Holocaust.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    JustinDee wrote: »
    ???
    You've evidence of people falsely claiming and to the level of a "Lion's share"? You will be hard pushed to find any Jewish or Roma families who lost nobody in the Holocaust.

    Virtually impossible, I'd imagine.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    JustinDee wrote: »
    ???
    You've evidence of people falsely claiming and to the level of a "Lion's share"? You will be hard pushed to find any Jewish or Roma families who lost nobody in the Holocaust.

    I never said people are falsely claiming anything, I said that most Israelis were not from Germany. They came from all over the world to populate Israel. Some had been there long before Israel was even a real country.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Border-Rat


    JustinDee wrote: »
    ???
    You've evidence of people falsely claiming and to the level of a "Lion's share"? You will be hard pushed to find any Jewish or Roma families who lost nobody in the Holocaust.

    You'd be hard pressed to find Germans paying taxes today who were indicted or guilty of murdering any Jew or Roma.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    RichieC wrote: »
    I never said people are falsely claiming anything, I said that most Israelis were not from Germany. They came from all over the world to populate Israel. Some had been there long before Israel was even a real country.

    You might have heard of this thing called world war 2? Iirc there weren't many jews left in germany to move to Israel.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    RichieC wrote: »
    I never said people are falsely claiming anything, I said that most Israelis were not from Germany. They came from all over the world to populate Israel. Some had been there long before Israel was even a real country.
    Jews were shipped from EVERY German-occupied or compliant country during the Holocaust. Norway, Finland, the Baltics, Central Europe, the Balkans, Greece, France, Italy, USSR, Nth Africa.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭johngalway


    Good for Israel and I hope they get plenty more. Nothing against the German people, who I am quite fond of. But, ya know, six million dead bodies tend to cost a bit to make up for.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    Border-Rat wrote: »
    You'd be hard pressed to find Germans paying taxes today who were indicted or guilty of murdering any Jew or Roma.
    They pay taxes to the govt they elect. Their govt inherits its predecessors' dues. Not something that just erodes away with time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    The Germans don't seem to kick up much of a fuss about it. It's similar to how the US gives 'aid' to the likes of Egypt on condition it's spent on US weaponry.

    It's essentially extracting money from the tax payer and providing jobs building military stuff.

    Many military deals have elements that benefit the buyer. For example one of the clauses of deals that Fabrique Nationale of Belgium won from the US for guns like the M240 and M249 was that they are made in america, so FN opened factories in the states. The same with Mig-29s being built in India etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    JustinDee wrote: »
    They pay taxes to the govt they elect. Their govt inherits its predecessors' dues. Not something that just erodes away with time.


    bit of a read.
    "germany don't owe us a dime"


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Border-Rat


    JustinDee wrote: »
    They pay taxes to the govt they elect. Their govt inherits its predecessors' dues. Not something that just erodes away with time.

    I wonder if the German people are aware they are paying these billions. Overkill for the deaths of 300,000 during WW2. I'd call it robbery and/or extortion. Firstly because most of them probably aren't aware, secondly the reasoning behind the payouts is based on dubious claims.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Border-Rat wrote: »
    I wonder if the German people are aware they are paying these billions. Overkill for the deaths of 300,000 during WW2. I'd call it robbery and/or extortion. Firstly because most of them probably aren't aware, secondly the reasoning behind the payouts is based on dubious claims.

    Perhaps I'm reading this incorrectly, but are you denying the Holocaust?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Border-Rat wrote: »
    Overkill for the deaths of 300,000 during WW2. .

    The figure was about 6 million last I checked, for Jews. For the Roma (imho the fact that so many ignore that the Roma were also targeted for extermination is shameful) it has been said to be as high as 1.5 million. There were also communist, poles, homosexuals, and the disabled etc who were murdered. I am not too sure of the numbers for those other groups.

    The German state imho does owe reparations to the various survivors of the death camps and there families, be the Jewish, Roma or any of the others. The fact that so many holocaust survivors are living in poverty is awful. Germany should be giving them money directly imho.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    Border-Rat wrote: »
    I wonder if the German people are aware they are paying these billions. Overkill for the deaths of 300,000 during WW2. I'd call it robbery and/or extortion. Firstly because most of them probably aren't aware, secondly the reasoning behind the payouts is based on dubious claims.
    If you're going to take the denier stance, there are plenty of other suitable websites for your ilk.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Border-Rat


    Einhard wrote: »
    Perhaps I'm reading this incorrectly, but are you denying the Holocaust?

    I'm challenging the veracity of its numbers. And the means of death.
    wes wrote: »
    The figure was about 6 million last I checked, for Jews. For the Roma (imho the fact that so many ignore that the Roma were also targeted for extermination is shameful) it has been said to be as high as 1.5 million. There were also communist, poles, homosexuals, and the disabled etc who were murdered. I am not too sure of the numbers for those other groups.

    Last time you checked you were incorrect. The figure is nowhere near 6,000,000.


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    The German state imho does owe reparations to the various survivors of the death camps and there families, be the Jewish, Roma or any of the others. The fact that so many holocaust survivors are living in poverty is awful. Germany should be giving them money directly imho.

    Regardless of the events of WW2, the current German population owes nobody nothing. Guilt by inheritance, especially when its used to pay for weapons of war, is wrong.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Border-Rat


    JustinDee wrote: »
    If you're going to take the denier stance, there are plenty of other suitable websites for your ilk.

    I believe in freedom of speech, even if you don't.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    Einhard wrote: »
    Border-Rat wrote: »
    I wonder if the German people are aware they are paying these billions. Overkill for the deaths of 300,000 during WW2. I'd call it robbery and/or extortion. Firstly because most of them probably aren't aware, secondly the reasoning behind the payouts is based on dubious claims.

    Perhaps I'm reading this incorrectly, but are you denying the Holocaust?

    Based on his posting history, I'm afraid you're probably right, unfortunately.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    Border-Rat wrote: »
    I believe in freedom of speech, even if you don't.
    You can say whatever you want. Your posts seem more suited to the likes of Stormfront, Jewwatch or a dinner party with Duke, Irving, Ahmedinijad and Griffin, that's all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Border-Rat wrote: »
    Regardless of the events of WW2, the current German population owes nobody nothing. Guilt by inheritance, especially when its used to pay for weapons of war, is wrong.

    There are still survivors who are alive, and the state of Germany still exists, and the German state as a legal entity, certainly owes Holocaust survivors (Jewish, Roma etc) and there families reparations. At a bare minimum this should on as long as some of there survivors and there families are still alive.

    IMHO, they don't owe the state of Israel a thing, and they shouldn't essentially be giving Israel military hardware, which is aiding in the colonization of Palestinian land and the occupation. Having said that, that is very different from the German state oweing money to victims of the Nazi regime, who as I pointed out earlier in far to many cases living in poverty.

    As for the numbers killed. There very well established in the various history books I have read. A lot of innocent people were killed, and it is ridiculous to say otherwise imho.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Border-Rat wrote: »
    I'm challenging the veracity of its numbers. And the means of death.

    Regardless of the events of WW2, the current German population owes nobody nothing. Guilt by inheritance, especially when its used to pay for weapons of war, is wrong.

    You didn't have much credibility to start with but you just destroyed it today. Away to the CT forum with you.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Border-Rat


    JustinDee wrote: »
    You can say whatever you want. Your posts seem more suited to the likes of Stormfront, Jewwatch or a dinner party with Duke, Irving, Ahmedinijad and Griffin, that's all.

    I can, can't I? And I say this: The Holocaust was a logistical impossibility. For example to cremate 870,000 bodies at Treblinka, at staggering 150,000 tons of wood would've been required, not to mention the massive logistical undertaking of felling the trees and transporting them. And since we're talking about Treblinka, if operated as alleged, the 'gas chambers' would've exploded. No record or mentioning of this activity has ever been documented. And while a team of Australian researches visited Treblinka in in 1999, they found with earth-penetrating radar equipment that, far from the area being a burial ground, that the earth had not been disturbed, ever.

    Forged photography is the act of liars. Why take aerial photographs of air-raid shelters at Auschwitz, and draw-in square boxes in the roofs and tell the world that they're gas hatches?

    Image19.jpg

    The shadows are being cast from several directions. Either those were 'gas-hatches' with three suns in the sky, or they were crudely drawn in.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Border-Rat


    You didn't have much credibility to start with but you just destroyed it today. Away to the CT forum with you.

    Removal of credibility infers that someone has rebutted my analysis. That certainly rules you out. No area of history is sacrosanct to question and nothing is self-evident.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    Poor, Border-rat.. poor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    A thread about Israel to holocaust revisionism, plus other threads on Israel.

    We don't much more info to make the connection here.

    I also find it odd how it's just the number of Jews seems to get this treatment and rarely if ever the millions of Soviet POWs that were killed or starved, or the millions of minorities, gypsies, gays, religious minorities and Poles who were also killed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,221 ✭✭✭brimal


    Border-Rat, you're entitled to your opinion, but your posts are nothing more than provocation at this stage.

    I don't think you actually realise the scale and seriousness of what happened in the holocaust. For you it's easy to throw numbers around like it's nothing. For others, this is deeply personal.

    You can't throw a few jpeg's here and there and expect us to take it seriously. And your obvious tone in each post suggests you aren't discussing this for the sake of history..


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Border-Rat


    RichieC wrote: »
    Poor, Border-rat.. poor.

    Easy to refute if thats the case.

    Where did the 150,000 tons of wood come from to cremate 870,000 bodies at Treblinka? Apparently, this question is 'trivial' and conspiracy theorist. Why are aerial photographs of Auschwitz tampered with to include fake gas hatches? Another irrelevancy I suppose.

    Over 5,000 tons of coke fuel would've been required to cremate the alleged toll of bodies in 1943 at Auschwitz/Birkenau. The delivery records show a delivery of 640 tons. Even if the fuel was available, they did not have the facilities to cremate that number of bodies within the given time period. You can't cremate over 120,000 bodies with so little furnaces in that period of time, even if you ran them 24 hours a day. Which is impossible, they need maintenence and firebrick replaced etc. And they were all batched to one chimney, if one breaks down, the whole system has to be shut down untill its repaired. And it can't be repaired untill it cools off, which takes time in itself.

    Heres a picture of Dresden victims;

    Piles+of+Bodies+after+bombing+of+Dresden+1945.JPG

    Not a gas chamber in sight, but I could easily take this picture to another forum, claim these were gassed Jews and nobody would even question it. They've almost copyright this type of image, it now symbolises 'gas, gas, gas' in the Western world. Newsflash - WW2 was hell on earth. Major cities would be lucky not to see this. But with the right manipulation, and a foolish enough person, and a big enough blackout on other areas with piled up bodies, and people would believe anything. I could find pictures like this from so many wars and places. Apparently, if its in a labour camp with starved typhus victims - it must be from gassings. Well, where are the autopsy reports? Out of 6,000,000 (And not a soul more or less).. not one autopsy report. Not one.

    If the gas chambers (sic) at Treblinka were operated as described, the room would've exploded. You think thats me joking? Or trolling? It isn't. They said the rooms were hermetically sealed, so if somehow the engine kept working without stalling (I dunno how they did that), then the end result is massive pressure per square inch. The weakest part of the room would blow, probably the roof. And why use fumes from diesel engines anyway when you have nerve gas that is infinitely more deadly and efficient?

    The two pillars of the Holocaust are photographic evidence and witness testimony. Firstly, when the average person see's a mass grave (For they no doubt existed) of emaciated corpses, then hears tales of gas chambers, and has both confirmed by officialdom, that average person does not stand a chance. There is absolutely no reason to question it. Indeed, questioning it would be the greatest outrage. And yet, pictures of corpses piled high on the back of trucks are not unique to WW2. Not long ago, I saw hideous photos from Gulf War 1, where US soldiers were assigned 'grave detail'. Bodies of Iraqis were being bulldozed into pits.

    I find it curious that more HCN residue was found in the SS Guards quarters at Birkenau than in the alleged gas chambers. Why was any HCN found there at all? Because all buildings were fumigated twice annually. In 1943, its alleged that 116,000 roughly were gassed and cremated between March and October at Birkeanau. That would've required 4,000 tons of coke fuel. The delivery records show a mere 640 tons. I don't believe the tale of bodies being burned there in open pits of petrol, for two reasons; I) Petrol was a luxoury in WW2, II) The water table at Auschwitz is incredibly high.

    Aside from questionable witness statements (I.e. one witness referred to the New York Times in the 80's that an atomic bomb was detonated at Auschwitz II, 'vaporising' 20,000 Jews on the spot - only Jews, mind you), the whole architecture of the Auschwitz premise is very odd. The entire logistical setup does not make sense. The Germans seemed to have allocated an enourmous amount of resources, just for the purpose of killing. I.e. petrol, coal and trains. Adolf Eichmann, supposed architect of the Holocaust has questioned this;

    "Where does Höss believe that he got these two and a half million Jews? Not from me. Because to have liquidated two and a half million decrepit, elderly, unworkable Jews, I must have had to feed to him three, four, five, six or seven million Jews in that space of time, and from the transport point of view alone this would have been totally impossible."

    "You're not only going to have trains going that way full of Jews, you're going to have empty trains coming back. And you're going to have to have a circulation time, a time where they're unloading at one end, a time where they're loading at the other end... You're going to need so many thousands of wagons. This alone proves that Rudolf H_ss was talking through his hat. These figures are totally fantastic, and what the hell is Höss up to?"

    Hoss, of course, was tortured.

    Treblinka is yet another curious matter. The alleged cremation of 870,000 bodies using wood. To cremate that amount of bodies, 140,000 tons of wood would be needed. This is ridiculous, where did this wood come from? From the forestry around Treblinka, as the 'witnesses' alleged? No, because aerial photographs from before and after the war show no disturbance of such woodland. Furthermore, the alleged burial of 870,000 bodies is open to question. A team of Australians examined the grounds of Treblinka with EPR (Earth penetrating radar) equipment and found that the ground hadn't been disturbed in hundreds of years.

    Extraordinarily, had I made this post on mainland Europe, I'd face a fine of 10,000 Euro and a jail term of 6 months. Although more importantly, the current population of Germany is being 'shaken down', and anyone who asks questions such as - did the Germans really use a nuclear bomb at Auschwitz as one witness relayed to to the New York Times in 1988?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Border-Rat


    brimal wrote: »
    Border-Rat, you're entitled to your opinion, but your posts are nothing more than provocation at this stage.

    I don't think you actually realise the scale and seriousness of what happened in the holocaust. For you it's easy to throw numbers around like it's nothing. For others, this is deeply personal.

    You can't throw a few jpeg's here and there and expect us to take it seriously. And your obvious tone in each post suggests you aren't discussing this for the sake of history..

    How are my posts provocation, or just a few Jpegs? I have written more in this thread so far than anyone else. Why should Germans pay 100 billion Reichsmarks if the Allies can't even provide the autopsy report for a solitary victim of alleged gassing? This is extortion.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭Hannibal


    wes wrote: »
    The figure was about 6 million last I checked, for Jews. For the Roma (imho the fact that so many ignore that the Roma were also targeted for extermination is shameful) it has been said to be as high as 1.5 million. There were also communist, poles, homosexuals, and the disabled etc who were murdered. I am not too sure of the numbers for those other groups.

    The German state imho does owe reparations to the various survivors of the death camps and there families, be the Jewish, Roma or any of the others. The fact that so many holocaust survivors are living in poverty is awful. Germany should be giving them money directly imho.
    Why should the modern German state be paying them when it didn't even exist back then.

    The leadership were nearly all Austrian. Amongst other groups they targeted Jews, what has that got to do with Israel because it didn't exist at the time.

    Do the British owe us money for the plantations and land robbery etc?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭Socialist_Pig


    Border-Rat wrote: »
    Where did the 150,000 tons of wood come
    where you getting that from?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    Nothing impossible about it. Flawed distortion of summaries methods used and cherry-picked images favoured by anti-Jewish conspiracy theorists provide nothing but white noise that in time will supercede first-hand accounts when the last survivors pass away.
    Ever even met and chatted with a Holocaust survivor?
    Wannsee wasn't fictional nor was pre-1941 Einsatzgruppen or the sheer organisation involved in the transportation of Jews following the pillage.
    Everyone dragged into it from kid to oldie was just a liar, eh?

    Some people in this forum might actually have remnants of family who suffered first-hand. Your 300,000 figure is an insult to the millions affected by the Holocaust.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Border-Rat wrote: »
    I'm challenging the veracity of its numbers. And the means of death.



    Last time you checked you were incorrect. The figure is nowhere near 6,000,000.


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    A letter from the Bad Arolsen International Tracing Service regarding only registered deaths at Nazi concentration camps. This and similar correspondence is frequently misrepresented as the absolute death toll of the Holocaust by deniers.
    Harwood also claimed that Die Tat, a Swiss tabloid newspaper, published statistics that concluded the number of people who died in Nazi prisons and camps from 1939 to 1945 based on ICRC statistics was "300,000, not all of whom were Jews".[44] The January 19, 1955 edition of Die Tat did indeed give a 300,000 figure, but this was only in reference to "Germans and German Jews" and not nationals of other countries.[45] In a 1979 response to this pamphlet, the ICRC said that they have "never tried to compile statistics on the victims of the war",[46] nor "certified the accuracy of the statistics produced by a third party",[46] and state that the authors of such material have "falsified" both claims that the document originates from the ICRC and refers exclusively to Jews.[46]
    As well as in personal correspondence, the ICRC has also addressed this misrepresentation by several other means. In 1975, the ICRC wrote to the Board of Deputies of British Jews in London regarding Harwood's citations, stating:
    The figures cited by the author of the booklet are based upon statistics falsely attributed to us, evidently for the purpose of giving them credibility, despite the fact that we never publish information of this kind.[47]
    —Françoise Perret, Comité International de la Croix-Rouge, to Jacob Gerwitz, August 22, 1975.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Holocaust_denial


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Border-Rat


    where you getting that from?

    You need around 150kg of wood to cremate a body. Considering these people were underweight, that number could be reduced. However, we're talking about seasoned wood, so the number is sound. Thats well over 100,000 tons of wood. Where did this wood come from? Not from any forests near Treblinka. Woodland in and around Treblinka is shown to be undisturbed via aerial photographs before and afterwards. Where is the machinery coming from to fell such wood? What is transporting it? The Germans were resigned to scrounging horses on the war-front, yet they can spare trucks to move this collossal amount of wood? Where is it coming from?

    Witnesses at Treblinka admitted they were less than honest at the Canadian Zundel trial in the 80's.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 921 ✭✭✭Border-Rat


    The building the guide is referring to is the air-raid shelter, sorry, gas chamber of Auschwitz I. He is absolutely adamant that this building is 100% original and modified in no way, and that it was used as a homicidal gas chamber. This is the door allegedly used to close victims in;

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    Compare this with the door of a typical 1930's American execution gas chamber;

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    Evidently the wooden door is inappropriate for gassing. Anyone can see why. Further, as mentioned above this building was next to the SS Guards quarters outside the inmate perimetre. With that door, with every gassing the SS quarters would've had to have evacuated, a northern wind would've drenched the SS quarters with gas. A strong wind would've sent it to Hoss' own quarters.

    Even if that door didn't leak, this structure allegedely had no ventilation system. Allegedley, once a gassing had been complete, they simply opened the door to 'air out' the structure. Accordingly all gas simply blew out. Incidentally, they said they had inmates remove the bodies almost straight away, a laborous task. A body poisned with HCN can't be touched with bare hands, that would be lethal. Neither can such a structure be entered without the appropriate chemical-proof suiting.

    It also takes 24 hours to ventilate a room fumigated with pesticide. In order to reach the tally of victims alleged, from a timing standpoint alone its impossible. Ventilating after every gassing for 24 hours would mean, for a number of 1.25 million killed, gassing well after the war. This is why they say they ventilation took 15 minutes. Not possible, especially without chemical protection suits.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,812 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    MOD COMMENT:
    This is the Politics forum. The content and context of this thread appears to be more appropriate for a forum that has an audience and is dedicated to the discussion of conspiracy theories.

    This thread is being moved to the Conspiracy Theory forum. It is being moved LOCKED so that the CT forum mods may review it for appropriateness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    It won't end well, so I'm not reopening this.


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