A lot of 12 Reg cars - shame their Renaults

jetsonx

Ok, there a lot 12-D BMWs and Mercs floating around. Well, that's just the NAMA crowd who still have cash to flash.

But for the average punter, Renault seems to be very popular. Who buys these pieces of junk? Mechanics hate them. "Real"" drivers find them "spongy" and "lumpy" to drive? Citroen has some great designs and heritage. Even Peugeot at least has some pedigree when it comes to superminis and rallycars. But Renault? So, why would anyone with 18K to spend on a motor buy a lump of metal and plastic with that diamond badge on it? Why buy a car just because it is new (but crap)?

Guy:Incognito

Such a post full of cliched rubbish. Good that you got it all out in one go though.

What percentage of the driving public are "real" drivers anyway? I'm sure there are lot of people who think they are "real" drivers. Most arent.

Citroens and Peugeots are the same cars btw.

As for pedigree, yes Renault has absolutely no supermini pedigree at all, nor any pedigree with bringing things like people carrriers to the mass market. Sure they cant make a hot hatch to save their lives.

BTW , seeing as we are criticising other people, "their" is not the correct one to use.

Jimdagym

jetsonx wrote: »

Ok, there a lot 12-D BMWs and Mercs floating around. Well, that's just the NAMA crowd who still have cash to flash.

But for the average punter, Renault seems to be very popular. Who buys these pieces of junk? Mechanics hate them. "Real"" drivers find them "spongy" and "lumpy" to drive? Citroen has some great designs and heritage. Even Peugeot at least has some pedigree when it comes to superminis and rallycars. But Renault? So, why would anyone with 18K to spend on a motor buy a lump of metal and plastic with that diamond badge on it? Why buy a car just because it is new (but crap)?

Just curious, have you driven any of the new Renault range?

-Corkie-

Different strokes for different folks. Why would we all want to drive the same thing. The typical Irish punter wants cheap car cheap to tax and cheap to refuel. Image does not come into it..

166man

Because some people have other priorities. The value of the 12 D badge being one of those. Not all Renaults are crap either.

MugMugs

166man wrote: »

Because some people have other priorities. The value of the 12 D badge being one of those.

I suppose its the thrill of driving it out of the garage doors and watching its value drop quicker than a debs dress at lights on!

Aka Ishur

You obviously know very little about motorsports to say that renault dont have pedigree.

You dont consider the amount renault has contributed to formula 1? Or consider the amount of drivers to graduate through the ranks starting in the venerable clio-cups? I had to laugh at your assertion that renault dont have a history of rallying when they won their first rally back in 1902!

My favourite car to sketch as a kid was always the Renault Alpine Rallye A110. Thought it was the most beautifull thing on four wheels.

andyseadog

the new fluence... fcuk me... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

not the cheapest
not the best looking
not the most reliable
not the fastest
not the prettiest

whats its selling point? that the electric costs the same as the diesel or some sh1t?

wow... electric and diesel engines, nice.

for the price it commands, how can it justify itself over any competitor cars? what does it offer to steal punters from other mid sized hatchbacks like the tried and tested focus etc etc?

its the white goods of the motoring world.

colm_mcm

Far as I know you can still get some stonking deals on the Fluence. While it may not be the most cutting edge of machines design wise, it's certainly no worse than a Corolla, Tiida, Suzuki SX4, Kia Cee'd (old model) etc. this is a budget car, last time I checked it was cheaper than a diesel Yaris.

A lot of people like the 5 year warranty, the diesel engines, the low tax, and the massive discounts. more luck to them.

A lot of "Real Drivers" seem to like the RenaultSport Clios and Meganes.

alias no.9

andyseadog wrote: »

the new fluence... fcuk me... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

not the cheapest
not the best looking
not the most reliable
not the fastest
not the prettiest

whats its selling point? that the electric costs the same as the diesel or some sh1t?

wow... electric and diesel engines, nice.

for the price it commands, how can it justify itself over any competitor cars? what does it offer to steal punters from other mid sized hatchbacks like the tried and tested focus etc etc?

its the white goods of the motoring world.

Cheapest? Renault will sell you a new C segment diesel saloon with band a road tax for €18.6k in a country still infatuated with saloons, who else will?

Best looking? Each to their own, its no Nissan Tiida in the ugliness stakes, but its a segment that's hard to identify a good looking car ever.

Reliability? Remains to be seen but they do give a 5 year warranty, only kia give longer.

Fastest? In a bottom of the range c segment saloon lol. It'll match its competitors, there's not much more to say except 90bhp turned tdi Passats into rocketships in some peoples eyes just over a decade ago.

Prettiest? Its no Alfa Gulietta but neither are the Golf or Focus.

Would I buy one? In a word, no but I'd never have bought a corolla or almera that have dominated the segment in the past.

AltAccount

jetsonx wrote: »

Ok, there a lot 12-D BMWs and Mercs floating around. Well, that's just the NAMA crowd who still have cash to flash.

But for the average punter, Renault seems to be very popular. Who buys these pieces of junk? Mechanics hate them. "Real"" drivers find them "spongy" and "lumpy" to drive? Citroen has some great designs and heritage. Even Peugeot at least has some pedigree when it comes to superminis and rallycars. But Renault? So, why would anyone with 18K to spend on a motor buy a lump of metal and plastic with that diamond badge on it? Why buy a car just because it is new (but crap)?

I am absolutely aghast that, in your efforts to knock the Renault brand, you chose to compare it to Peugeot and Citroen.
From a generic, barstool mechanic, Top Gear informed opinion, I doubt there are three more evenly matched brands.

dgt

I don't like Renaults myself but I don't go on like this! If Renaults float peoples boats, leave em to it. Give the public what they want :pac:

veetwin

If fairness to Renault and their scrappage scheme it has introduced alot of motorists to "modern" concepts such as airbags, ABS, aircon etc as well as good reliability and excellent fuel economy and low road tax. These things are pretty important to most (normal) people

wendell borton

Even Peugeot at least has some pedigree when it comes to superminis and rallycars. But Renault?

Renault have a predigree to equal any manufacturer in motorsport.

166man

jetsonx wrote: »

Who buys these pieces of junk?

I'm just quoting you on this, the people that buy the pieces of junk that you call Renault are people who wanted to upgrade but couldn't afford to and then did due to scrappage scheme. People buy them because of the low price, good reliable diesel engines, low tax and great fuel economy.

They do the things that the average Irish buyer wants, that's why they're popular. :rolleyes:

Mr Benevolent

Meh, nothing wrong with them, I'd buy one if I was forced to choose a cheapish brand new car. Not great, but definitely not terrible. My toe-curling admission of the day is that I secretly like the Fluence

Damien360

Yipee....another Renault bashing/loving thread

road_high

A new Clio for €9,995? Sure how could you go wrong at that price? Decent spec, very decent size car for a supermini, 5 star euro Ncap rating, decent relaibility record (from anyhting I've ever heard or read about them), nice styling and to top it all off a 5 year warranty if anything does wrong? Surely a similar spec Fiesta, Polo or Yaris are the guts of 14/15k in comparison.
I think hats off to Renault, they have gotten the current market very right where budget and running costs are absolute key.

kippy

jetsonx wrote: »

Ok, there a lot 12-D BMWs and Mercs floating around. Well, that's just the NAMA crowd who still have cash to flash.

But for the average punter, Renault seems to be very popular. Who buys these pieces of junk? Mechanics hate them. "Real"" drivers find them "spongy" and "lumpy" to drive? Citroen has some great designs and heritage. Even Peugeot at least has some pedigree when it comes to superminis and rallycars. But Renault? So, why would anyone with 18K to spend on a motor buy a lump of metal and plastic with that diamond badge on it? Why buy a car just because it is new (but crap)?

Advertising
Cost
Warranty
Economy

For the majority of people who own a car (ie the ones who only car about getting from A-B, not how they look and feel doing it) these are key and advertising has had a major part to play along with the three other components.

bazz26

Technically the Fluence is a Samsung. :pac:

dgt

bazz26 wrote: »

Technically the Fluence is a Samsung. :pac:

The resemblance is uncanny

Eric Cartman

To be fair let people spend their money, I just think the people buying diesel clios etc.. to do tiny miles are a bit silly. Id rather an old 5 series or e class than a fluence and Id say most here would agree, but this is a motors forum. Renault have developed a lot of car technology so I wouldnt dismiss them entirely , I just preffer to wait until toyota, subaru, bmw etc.. iron out the kinks in it and put it in something Id preffer to drive.

The problem isnt with renault really, its the irish public just going after whatevers the cheapest to buy and in the lowest tax band. I could release the trabant again, and once it came in a 1 litre diesel with band A tax , Id have loads of people lining up to buy it.

godtabh

jetsonx wrote: »

Ok, there a lot 12-D BMWs and Mercs floating around. Well, that's just the NAMA crowd who still have cash to flash.

But for the average punter, Renault seems to be very popular. Who buys these pieces of junk? Mechanics hate them. "Real"" drivers find them "spongy" and "lumpy" to drive? Citroen has some great designs and heritage. Even Peugeot at least has some pedigree when it comes to superminis and rallycars. But Renault? So, why would anyone with 18K to spend on a motor buy a lump of metal and plastic with that diamond badge on it? Why buy a car just because it is new (but crap)?

What do you drive? I bet its a ferrari. Mechanics love them. "Fake"" drivers find them "firm" and "hard" to drive. But your above a Renault so thats ok

I drive a Citroen and Saab. Happy enough with that

BrianD3

LIGHTNING wrote: »

What kinda person creates a thread without having done the smallest bit a research on a car marque?

Renault has won two F1 WDC and two constructor championships. Not to mention their engine has powered the Red Bull championship winning car (twice). Renault engines have also powered F1 cars during the mental 80`s Turbo era and in fact they were the pioneers of Turbo powered cars.

Also the V10 of the 1990s won the F1 drivers WC in 92, 93, 95, 96 and 97 plus the constructors WC in 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97.

naughtysmurf

dgt wrote: »

The resemblance is uncanny

I bought a Samsung! :eek:

OP,Have my Fluence 10 months now,18,000 on the clock, 16K with scrappage, very happy with it thanks very much, scrapped my 00 Megane Classic, had it from new & never gave me a days bother, air con, cruise control, traction control, abs, comfy etc etc,

Last time I checked, I am real :rolleyes: and it suits our family needs at a price we could afford

Only issue, don't know how to change the time on the clock but that will be sorted from next Sunday morning.....for a few months anyway

unkel

jetsonx wrote: »

Renault seems to be very popular. Who buys these pieces of junk?

Junkyard, is it really you? Are you back?

colm_mcm

My Samsung flatscreen tv is still going great after 8 years. Maybe Renault are missing a trick here.

Guy:Incognito

colm_mcm wrote: »

My Samsung flatscreen tv is still going great after 8 years. Maybe Renault are missing a trick here.

32" in car sat navs ?:)

Rolli

andyseadog wrote: »

the new fluence... fcuk me... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

not the cheapest
not the best looking
not the most reliable
not the fastest
not the prettiest

whats its selling point? that the electric costs the same as the diesel or some sh1t?

wow... electric and diesel engines, nice.

for the price it commands, how can it justify itself over any competitor cars? what does it offer to steal punters from other mid sized hatchbacks like the tried and tested focus etc etc?

its the white goods of the motoring world.

My guess, people buy them because its a new model of Renault not like Laguna etc

An Ri rua

godtabh wrote: »

What do you drive? I bet its a ferrari. Mechanics love them. "Fake"" drivers find them "firm" and "hard" to drive. But your above a Renault so thats ok

I drive a Citroen and Saab. Happy enough with that

I hope you'd agree, (unlike 166man I think) that Citroen & Peugeot are not the same. I've driven over 600,000 miles in various Xantias and the odd trip in XMs and even C4 vans. Citroens retain a certain quirkiness even when sprung. I like.

No offence 166man, just saying. A Cit's a Cit, and that's it.

Interestingly, Cit drivers often have an eye for Saabs! A bit like Smithwicks drinkers; awkward hoors always wanting to be different :-D

Edit: It was Guy;Incognito not 166man Sorry about that guys And I know, I know, Guy drives / drove a Xantia. I'm just saying, Cits are close to Pugs, but NOT Pugs

166man

166man wrote: »

Because some people have other priorities. The value of the 12 D badge being one of those. Not all Renaults are crap either.

166man wrote: »

I'm just quoting you on this, the people that buy the pieces of junk that you call Renault are people who wanted to upgrade but couldn't afford to and then did due to scrappage scheme. People buy them because of the low price, good reliable diesel engines, low tax and great fuel economy.

They do the things that the average Irish buyer wants, that's why they're popular. :rolleyes:

An Ri rua wrote: »

I hope you'd agree, (unlike 166man I think) that Citroen & Peugeot are not the same. I've driven over 600,000 miles in various Xantias and the odd trip in XMs and even C4 vans. Citroens retain a certain quirkiness even when sprung. I like.

No offence 166man, just saying. A Cit's a Cit, and that's it.

Interestingly, Cit drivers often have an eye for Saabs! A bit like Smithwicks drinkers; awkward hoors always wanting to be different :-D

I think you might be getting me mixed up with another poster?I can't see anywhere in my above two posts where I say that a Citroen is the same as a Peugeot. I love a good Citroen, the C6 and C5 SW for example and I like most new Peugeots especially the new 508 Tourer .

heate

I've always driven Audi's and BM's but that just me they are not to everyone's needs or tastes.
However a Clio at €9995 with a 5 year warranty and low emissions is surely a no brainer if you need a low cost motoring solution? You'd probably pick up €5k for it after 5 years so a grand a year...

Mycroft H

jetsonx wrote: »

Ok, there a lot 12-D BMWs and Mercs floating around. Well, that's just the NAMA crowd who still have cash to flash.

But for the average punter, Renault seems to be very popular. Who buys these pieces of junk? Mechanics hate them. "Real"" drivers find them "spongy" and "lumpy" to drive? Citroen has some great designs and heritage. Even Peugeot at least has some pedigree when it comes to superminis and rallycars. But Renault? So, why would anyone with 18K to spend on a motor buy a lump of metal and plastic with that diamond badge on it? Why buy a car just because it is new (but crap)?

Pictures tell a thousand words....

Guy:Incognito

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

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Citroens and Peugeots are the same cars btw.. ................

An Ri rua wrote: »

I hope you'd agree, (unlike 166man I think) that Citroen & Peugeot are not the same. .........................

smash

Such a rubbish thread. I actually rarely see new Renaults on the road. They're far from the top seller. http://www.simi.ie/statistics/national_vehicle_statistics.aspx

gerardk55

Not going to knock the Fluence etc as I have never even been in one, but given Renault's poor resale values in the past (Laguna etc), how do you see these holding up in 3yrs time?

challengemaster

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

As for pedigree, yes Renault has absolutely no supermini pedigree at all, nor any pedigree with bringing things like people carrriers to the mass market. Sure they cant make a hot hatch to save their lives.

Yeah, it's not like the megane trophy RS holds the fastest lap time for a production FWD around the 'ring or anything. :pac:

Foxhole Norman

gerardk55 wrote: »

Not going to knock the Fluence etc as I have never even been in one, but given Renault's poor resale values in the past (Laguna etc), how do you see these holding up in 3yrs time?

Here's a rough guide. 2010 Fluences are going for roughly 16-18K on Carzone at the moment. They all have around 25,000 KM's and all are the 1.5 DCi.

2010 Focii are going for roughly the same with the same mileage and 1.6 Diesel engine.

So from what it looks like so far, they are holding value quite well.

Guy:Incognito

RoverJames wrote: »

Yep, twas me. Same engines, platforms, running gear, pretty much everything hidden. Plus obviously being the same company.

Much as I love Hydraulic Citroens (I have 2 Xantias at the minute, will probably add at least one more and definately an XM or 2) , they seem to be increasingly diluting them with a view to discontinueing, possibly in the next generation or so and going with bloody springs in everything. The C6 and C5 from Exclusive up (iirc) are the only ones left. So barely one cars worth.

freestyla

Not a Renault fan myself at all but I did some seat testing with 2011 Clio, Megane and Scenic. Would say that build quality is good notch up compare 10 years ago (previous time when I was in Renault )

Renault is manufacturing Dacia too, right? Don't remember if they own some car brands in India and Russia too? I guess these are cars which have that "old bad Renault" quality now.
Renault has modernized they factories big time lately.

They have been in co-operation with Nissan for long time already. At least engine vise. Should be reliable really. Both brands are putting nice things to the market. Listening to the customers i guess. Except Fluence and Tiida

No racing pedigree? As people mention already.. loads of motorsport back in days with rally of course.. lately they produce one of the best F1 engines (dunno if Infinity/Nissan is somehow related technically or they just sponsor)!

Would love to test Megane RS!

freestyla

BX 19 wrote: »

Pictures tell a thousand words....

Nostalgiaaa.. i remember my father was driving Fiat 500 (or 750 it was) back in days and was saving moeny to get Renault 5

creedp

freestyla wrote: »

Both brands are putting nice things to the market. Listening to the customers i guess. Except Fluence and Tiida

I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder but the Nissan Joke is one of the worst looking cars on the market today IMHO .. well I suppose it may share No.1 spot with the bloody Tiida.

Foxhole Norman

Foxhole Norman wrote: »

Here's a rough guide. 2010 Fluences are going for roughly 16-18K on Carzone at the moment. They all have around 25,000 KM's and all are the 1.5 DCi............

That's a really really rough guide as with the €2000 trade in booster a new fluence is from €18590, I really can't see many 2010 models "going" for the guts of €18k

road_high

smash wrote: »

Such a rubbish thread. I actually rarely see new Renaults on the road. They're far from the top seller. http://www.simi.ie/statistics/national_vehicle_statistics.aspx

There's lots of Clios, Meganes and Fluences (especially) everywhere. Looking at those figures roughly, are Renault currently no 5 or 6, quite a bit ahead of Opel even.

godtabh

An Ri rua wrote: »

Interestingly, Cit drivers often have an eye for Saabs! A bit like Smithwicks drinkers; awkward hoors always wanting to be different :-D

I started with the Saab but rented a C4 in Spain a couple of years ago and I was hooked. I got a 2011 C4 in Jan.

I'd be hoping to trade in the Saab in the next 18 months. I'd love to go for another 93 but I reckon a DS4, DS5 and C5 could also be on the cards. I'd love a DS4 DStyle

puppetmaster

jetsonx wrote: »

Ok, there a lot 12-D BMWs and Mercs floating around. Well, that's just the NAMA crowd who still have cash to flash.

But for the average punter, Renault seems to be very popular. Who buys these pieces of junk? Mechanics hate them. "Real"" drivers find them "spongy" and "lumpy" to drive? Citroen has some great designs and heritage. Even Peugeot at least has some pedigree when it comes to superminis and rallycars. But Renault? So, why would anyone with 18K to spend on a motor buy a lump of metal and plastic with that diamond badge on it? Why buy a car just because it is new (but crap)?

Im really surprised you got so many reasonable and sensible replies to such a factually inaccurate stereotype peddling troll of a post.

I wouldn't know where to start as a reply, other than maybe buy yourself a bike.

Mycroft H

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Yep, twas me. Same engines, platforms, running gear, pretty much everything hidden. Plus obviously being the same company.

Much as I love Hydraulic Citroens (I have 2 Xantias at the minute, will probably add at least one more and definately an XM or 2) , they seem to be increasingly diluting them with a view to discontinueing, possibly in the next generation or so and going with bloody springs in everything. The C6 and C5 from Exclusive up (iirc) are the only ones left. So barely one cars worth.

That would make a sad camper

Its been their trick up there sleeve since the DS and they would be shooting themselves in the foot if they dropped the hydropneumatic setup.