IRB Rankings

scudzilla

Just looked at the recent World Rankings and just can't fathom it out.

Wales got to the Semi's of the World Cup, England didn't. Wales won the Grand Slam, beating England at Twickenham, yet we're still behind England in the rankings??

1(1) NEW ZEALAND 91.43
2(2) AUSTRALIA 87.99
3(3) SOUTH AFRICA 84.34
4(4) ENGLAND 83.62
5(5) WALES 83.32
6(6) FRANCE 81.91
7(8) ARGENTINA 80.28
8(7) IRELAND 79.85
9(9) TONGA 76.63
10(10) SAMOA 75.81
11(12) ITALY 74.17
12(11) SCOTLAND 73.86
13(13) CANADA 72.92
14(14) JAPAN 70.45
15(15) GEORGIA 70.26
16(16) FIJI 68.78
17(17) USA 65.63
18(18) ROMANIA 63.81
19(19) SPAIN 62.57
20(20) NAMIBIA 61.24

How do they work this out? A lod of old men wit an abacus??

JustinDee

See here for an explanation if you don't understand: http://www.irb.com/rankings/explain/index.html

rrpc

Rankings also take into account the relative ranking of the teams you play as well as home advantage. Beating France at home would not have added as many ranking points as beating England away.

You can check back the ranking archives to see what gains or losses Wales made in the RWC and 6N, but England beating France away would have greatly added to their tally, being both below them in ranking and playing them away.

irishbucsfan

Tonga play Fiji in Fiji in August.

If we lose all 3 tests in New Zealand and they beat Fiji could we go 9th? Or is the gap too large?

rrpc

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Tonga play Fiji in Fiji in August.

If we lose all 3 tests in New Zealand and they beat Fiji could we go 9th? Or is the gap too large?

I think if the points gap exceeds ten, winning or losing won't change your ranking. Seeing as NZ are over ten ahead of us and will have another three for home advantage, we could play there for a year and not lose ranking points.

Which is why it's the ideal time to have a new coach take a good look at players and positions.

Tox56

Well Wales went further in the World Cup and so lost more games, 3, compared to England's 1. England beat France away and Wales beat France at home.

The only way Wales could try make up the gap was beating England which they did, but the 2 extra games lost at the World Cup presumably made the gap too big to close.

That's my simplistic view on it anyway, there's probably a more accurate explanation.

tolosenc

If Tonga win the PNC grand slam, we are in serious trouble.

CIARAN_BOYLE

scudzilla wrote: »

Just looked at the recent World Rankings and just can't fathom it out.

Wales got to the Semi's of the World Cup, England didn't. Wales won the Grand Slam, beating England at Twickenham, yet we're still behind England in the rankings??

For one thing Wales lost to SA, France, and Australia in the RWC. That cost them a chunk of rankings.

rrpc wrote: »

I think if the points gap exceeds ten, winning or losing won't change your ranking. Seeing as NZ are over ten ahead of us and will have another three for home advantage, we could play there for a year and not lose ranking points.

Which is why it's the ideal time to have a new coach take a good look at players and positions.

losing won't anyway but winning will

irishbucsfan

Yes but if Tonga were to win away from home would that not put then quite close to moving past us?

We really could do with a win in New Zealand.

CIARAN_BOYLE

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Yes but if Tonga were to win away from home would that not put then quite close to moving past us?

We really could do with a win in New Zealand.

If Tonga win by 15 points or more they will get .8 of a rankings point, if we lose 3 tests we will lose 0 rankings points, leaving us with a cushion of around 2.4 points.

For Tonga to overtake us they would surely need to come into the NH and win a few games in November

tolosenc

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Yes but if Tonga were to win away from home would that not put then quite close to moving past us?

We really could do with a win in New Zealand.

Assuming we lose 3 times against NZ, a good showing by Tonga in the PNC could close the gap to under 1 ranking point. I don't know how Tonga are set up for games in September. If they've been smart and are due to play Canada and Italy or the likes, we are ****ed.

thomond2006

IRB World Rankings
(Previous position in brackets)

1(1) New Zealand 90.08
2(2) South Africa 86.94
3(3) Australia 86.87
4(4) England 83.72
5(5) Wales 83.36
6(6) France 81.59
7(8) Samoa 78.71
8(9) Argentina 78.71
9(7) Ireland 78.05
10(10) Scotland 76.86
11(11) Tonga 76.10
12(12) Italy 76.06
13(13) Fiji 71.52
14(14) Canada 71.41
15(15) Japan 70.09

rrpc

thomond2006 wrote: »

IRB World Rankings
(Previous position in brackets)

1(1) New Zealand 90.08
2(2) South Africa 86.94
3(3) Australia 86.87
4(4) England 83.72
5(5) Wales 83.36
6(6) France 81.59
7(8) Samoa 78.71
8(9) Argentina 78.71
9(7) Ireland 78.05
10(10) Scotland 76.86
11(11) Tonga 76.10
12(12) Italy 76.06
13(13) Fiji 71.52
14(14) Canada 71.41
15(15) Japan 70.09

Woohoo! we're still ahead of Scotland

peterako

9th is probably a bit flattering....

P_1

Thank feck the world cup seedings weren't calculated right now is all I have to say

Swiwi

P_1 wrote: »

Thank feck the world cup seedings weren't calculated right now is all I have to say

Yes, NZ & Wales would have been a lovely pool

B0X

This is our worst ranking ever, the only way is up now lads!

darragh_haven

B0X wrote: »

This is our worst ranking ever, the only way is up now lads!

You would think so, wouldn't you........ But the fat ugly pessimist in me says different.