Ministers Exempt from Household Charge..

elaverty

Can you beleive this
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fdebates.oireachtas.ie%2Fdail%2F2012%2F03%2F13%2F00247.asp&h=jAQGqOySYAQElJWlBq4sTH0D_8qLmkGUwXas3K12tEdkdIg

ANXIOUS

elaverty wrote: »

Can you beleive this
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fdebates.oireachtas.ie%2Fdail%2F2012%2F03%2F13%2F00247.asp&h=jAQGqOySYAQElJWlBq4sTH0D_8qLmkGUwXas3K12tEdkdIg

Again you are mis reading the law, an example of this is houses down in the curragh that are owned by the minister of defence.

elaverty

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Again you are mis reading the law, an example of this is houses down in the curragh that are owned by the minister of defence.

How do you make that out ?..

gerire

ANXIOUS wrote: »

elaverty wrote: »

Can you beleive this
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fdebates.oireachtas.ie%2Fdail%2F2012%2F03%2F13%2F00247.asp&h=jAQGqOySYAQElJWlBq4sTH0D_8qLmkGUwXas3K12tEdkdIg

Again you are mis reading the law, an example of this is houses down in the curragh that are owned by the minister of defence.

The example you give is correct. But a minister could also read it the other way that this is my residential property and I'm a minister of government therefore exempt?!

davetherave

Have a read of this, Local Government (Household Charge) Act 2011

2.— (1) In this Act “residential property” means, subject to subsection (2), a building that is situated in the State and that is occupied, or suitable for occupation, as a separate dwelling, whether or not the occupier shares, or would be entitled to share, in connection therewith, any accommodation, amenity or facility with any other person, and includes—

(a) a house, maisonette, flat or apartment (including the form of accommodation commonly known as a bedsit), and

(b) a building containing a bedroom to which paragraph (e) of subsection (2) applies.

(2) For the purposes of this Act, none of the following is a residential property:

(a) a building—

(i) from which no income has been derived since the building’s construction,

(ii) that, since the building’s construction, has never been used as a dwelling, and

(iii) that forms part of the trading stock of a business;

(b) a building vested in a Minister of the Government, a housing authority (within the meaning of the Act of 1992) or the Health Service Executive;

(c) a building owned by a body standing approved for the purposes of section 6 of the Act of 1992;

I seriously doubt that Alan Shatter goes around buying houses to live in and signs off on them as Minister for Justice, Equality and Defence.
What I would take it to mean that a billet in a barracks, or say a care home operated by the HSE would be exempt rather than Enda's house up in Mayo.

usernamegoes

gerire wrote: »

The example you give is correct. But a minister could also read it the other way that this is my residential property and I'm a minister of government therefore exempt?!

Ministers are legal people separate to their natural person who assumes that office. The property owned by the natural person does not belong to the legal person i.e. the minister therefore not exempt.

elaverty

It says Residental property owned by a Minister of the Goverment,,does that not mean a Ministers House ?...

Ste.phen

elaverty wrote: »

It says Residental property owned by a Minister of the Goverment,,does that not mean a Ministers House ?...

It says vested in; and regardless of what it may actually be interpretted as, i'd be INCREDIBLY surprised if the intention of the law was to exempt currently serving ministers' personal properties from the tax.

usernamegoes

elaverty wrote: »

It says Residental property owned by a Minister of the Goverment,,does that not mean a Ministers House ?...

No, then it would be the residental property property owned by the person who is a minister. Ministers own property on behalf of us like nursing homes etc.

The Waltzing Consumer

elaverty wrote: »

Can you beleive this
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fdebates.oireachtas.ie%2Fdail%2F2012%2F03%2F13%2F00247.asp&h=jAQGqOySYAQElJWlBq4sTH0D_8qLmkGUwXas3K12tEdkdIg

A quick follow up:
http://www.thejournal.ie/government-ministers-homes-not-exempt-from-household-charge-389793-Mar2012/

Which shows that the "exemption" is not family/personal homes owned by Government ministers.

OP, you were wrong on this, it was pointed out by other posters and now confirmed.

End of thread.