Whats the general feeling regarding part worn tyres

teR_

Can get 75% tread tyres all round for 130 or pay 250 for brand new. Few people have said to stay away from the part worn other swear by them, not sure what to do, money is sort of tight and am leaning toward part worn

-Corkie-

teR_ wrote: »

Can get 75% tread tyres all round for 130 or pay 250 for brand new. Few people have said to stay away from the part worn other swear by them, not sure what to do, money is sort of tight and am leaning toward part worn

Check the tyre first but they are much better than plastic chinese ditch finders imo..

smokin ace

teR_ wrote: »

Can get 75% tread tyres all round for 130 or pay 250 for brand new. Few people have said to stay away from the part worn other swear by them, not sure what to do, money is sort of tight and am leaning toward part worn

i have only every used part worn tyres on both cars in the house and never had a problem and only buy them from my local tyre centre and no one else

Mycroft H

I see no problems with a quality part worn tyre, though that said I've seen some dodgy part worn tyres in the past so know what to look out for.

I paid 110 for two Verdsteins and two Michelins to fit my clio and they are fine with at least 75% tread left on them. I would have been looking at 190euros plus for cheap new Chinese crap tyres. I know where my money will be going.

-Corkie-

BX 19 wrote: »

I see no problems with a quality part worn tyre, though that said I've seen some dodgy part worn tyres in the past so know what to look out for.

I paid 110 for two Verdsteins and two Michelins to fit my clio and they are fine with at least 75% tread left on them. I would have been looking at 190euros plus for cheap new Chinese crap tyres. I know where my money will be going.

What size were they???

Mycroft H

-Corkie- wrote: »

What size were they???

165/70R13.

Bog standard small car size.

CiniO

Thing which comes to my mind is a question where does part worn tyres come from?
Like why would someone get rid of set of 75% tyres.

-Corkie-

BX 19 wrote: »

165/70R13.

Bog standard small car size.

Oopps my bad 110 so for 4 tyres...Thats very good..

Mycroft H

CiniO wrote: »

Thing which comes to my mind is a question where does part worn tyres come from?
Like why would someone get rid of set of 75% tyres.

The fellow I got them from says he gets them from Germany. Apparently many dealers fit new tyres to cars when selling them regardless of the condition of the previously fitted tyres. Also there would be many people changing summer to winter tyres aswell.

Fiona

teR_ wrote: »

not sure what to do, money is sort of tight and am leaning toward part worn

A tyre is the only thing that you keeps you are your car on the road. Get the very best you can afford.

I have never entertained the idea of part worn tyres, dunno just think you should get new every time but hey I am probably just talking crap

Stheno

CiniO wrote: »

Thing which comes to my mind is a question where does part worn tyres come from?
Like why would someone get rid of set of 75% tyres.

Germany, it appears they have mad regulations, and need to have winters as well iirc tbh?

I got a price of 100 for two 75% part worn continentals size 205/50/16 compared to 100 for just one crappy tire.

I'd much prefer to pay out that twice for good tyres than once for ****ty ones

CiniO

BX 19 wrote: »

The fellow I got them from says he gets them from Germany. Apparently many dealers fit new tyres to cars when selling them regardless of the condition of the previously fitted tyres.

I believe that might be happening, but can't see that being a common thing.

Also there would be many people changing summer to winter tyres aswell.

But they would keep summer tyres for next season.

wexie

CiniO wrote: »

Thing which comes to my mind is a question where does part worn tyres come from?
Like why would someone get rid of set of 75% tyres.

You'd be surprised how many people stick on a new set of tires when they get a new car, regardless of what's on there when they get the car.

Or maybe they're not happy with the performance of the tires.

Lots of valid (albeit maybe a little strange to you or me) reasons to get rid of tires that are still perfectly serviceable.

...forgot to say, nothing wrong with part worn quality tires

Compton

I've got part worn tyres twice and was happy with both the price and quality.

-Corkie-

CiniO wrote: »

I believe that might be happening, but can't see that being a common thing.


But they would keep summer tyres for next season.

I buy them for the trucks too Cinio. I can buy a 315 Bridgestone for 100 euro with 70% thread where a new one is almost 450 euros....

Mycroft H

CiniO wrote: »

But they would keep summer tyres for next season.

Perhaps they do. What happens if you live in an apartment or somewhere where space is limited? 4 tyres take up a lot of space.

CiniO

BX 19 wrote: »

Perhaps they do. What happens if you live in an apartment or somewhere where space is limited? 4 tyres take up a lot of space.

Garage which changes your summer for winter tyres will store your summers for you over winter for a little charge.

CiniO

-Corkie- wrote: »

I buy them for the trucks too Cinio. I can buy a 315 Bridgestone for 100 euro with 70% thread where a new one is almost 450 euros....

Where do you buy them.
I might need two 315/80 R22.5 in few months time, and that sound's cheap.

Mycroft H

CiniO wrote: »

Garage which changes your summer for winter tyres will store your summers for you over winter for a little charge.

Really? They must have a load a space then. Would it be commonplace to "trade in" summers for winters I wonder.

mrs crilly wrote: »

A tyre is the only thing that you keeps you are your car on the road. Get the very best you can afford.

I have never entertained the idea of part worn tyres, dunno just think you should get new every time but hey I am probably just talking crap

Cheap chinese crap vs Michelin? I know what I'm choosing even with 70% thread left.

-Corkie-

CiniO wrote: »

Where do you buy them.
I might need two 315/80 R22.5 in few months time, and that sound's cheap.

I buy them off a guy in Killarney. Have you trucks aswell???

Lol your hardly putting them on the mazda...:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D

Friel

They come from countries with stricter tyre wear laws. So what's illegal there is nowhere near it here. They're handy as hell, better than the **** nankangs and sunni's you get brand new.

wexie

CiniO wrote: »

Garage which changes your summer for winter tyres will store your summers for you over winter for a little charge.

Yeah don't know about Germany but in Holland it's getting more and more common that you buy 2 sets of tires and for a (small) charge the garage store them during the year and swap them round for you in spring and autumn. Make sure they're stored properly, greased etc.

Maybe something for someone to look at doing here?

zinzan

CiniO wrote: »

Thing which comes to my mind is a question where do part worn tyres come from?

This is what stops me buying them - they could look perfect but could have been in an accident (or even just bumped up and down off kerbs) and be damaged internally/structurally.

CiniO

Friel wrote: »

They come from countries with stricter tyre wear laws. So what's illegal there is nowhere near it here. They're handy as hell, better than the **** nankangs and sunni's you get brand new.

I think most EU countries have nearly the same tyre regulations (1.6mm tread).

CiniO

-Corkie- wrote: »

I buy them off a guy in Killarney. Have you trucks aswell???

Lol your hardly putting them on the mazda...:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D:-D

Heh no. I won't need them for myself, but for my employer for their bus.

-Corkie-

CiniO wrote: »

Heh no. I won't need them for myself, but for my employer for their bus.

Treacys Ballina??

CiniO

BX 19 wrote: »

Really? They must have a load a space then. Would it be commonplace to "trade in" summers for winters I wonder.

wexie wrote: »

Yeah don't know about Germany but in Holland it's getting more and more common that you buy 2 sets of tires and for a (small) charge the garage store them during the year and swap them round for you in spring and autumn. Make sure they're stored properly, greased etc.

Maybe something for someone to look at doing here?

I also don't know about Germany, but in Poland it's the same as you say in Holland. Garages which change your tyres between winter and summer, would store your tyres for a little fee. And usually they would grease them and secure as you said.

I assume the same should be the case in Germany.
I don't think Germans are so rich they can throw away tyres after half a season.

CiniO

zinzan wrote: »

This is what stops me buying them - they could look perfect but could have been in an accident (or even just bumped up and down off kerbs) and be damaged internally/structurally.

I once had my tyre damaged by hitting a kerb.
On the side of the tyre something like this appeared.


As I couldn't afford 2 new tyres, I got it repaired.
They welded a new ply-cord into the part where it was missing.
To my surprise, when you were looking at the tyre - even from the inside, you wouldn't tell there was anything done with it, unless you looked really well into that certain spot.
I used that tyre for another 20,000km, and nothing happened, but surely it wasn't as strong as new.

When buying part-worn tyre I would have no guarantee that this tyre wasn't repaired the same way.

dr.fuzzenstein

CiniO wrote: »

I once had my tyre damaged by hitting a kerb.
On the side of the tyre something like this appeared.

As I couldn't afford 2 new tyres, I got it repaired.
They welded a new ply-cord into the part where it was missing.
To my surprise, when you were looking at the tyre - even from the inside, you wouldn't tell there was anything done with it, unless you looked really well into that certain spot.
I used that tyre for another 20,000km, and nothing happened, but surely it wasn't as strong as new.

When buying part-worn tyre I would have no guarantee that this tyre wasn't repaired the same way.

:eek:
Fixing a pinhole is one thing, but that is serious stuff.
I just wouldn't trust it.
On the two sets of tires thing:
Everyone does have indeed two sets of tires in Germany, a nice set of alloys for the summer and a set of steel rims with the winter tires on them.
Usually piled on top of each other in a corner of the garage, to be swapped around when the seasons change.
Storing the tires at a tire place must be a new thing, I know my family would be way to tight for that.:)
My dad just uses the jack that came with the car and a tire cross.
If I bought part worn, I'd have a good look at them first, if there's no patches, bulges, frays or other signs of major repairs, I see no reason not to.

Soarer

I guess the next question is, where in Cork sell good quality part worn tyres?

pburns

smokin ace wrote: »

i have only every used part worn tyres on both cars in the house and never had a problem and only buy them from my local tyre centre and no one else

Well they're going to wear out faster so where's the economy in that? Add to that the question mark hanging over them...

teR_

BX 19 wrote: »

165/70R13.

Bog standard small car size.

Thats the size i'd be going for exactly :pac:

CiniO wrote: »

Thing which comes to my mind is a question where does part worn tyres come from?
Like why would someone get rid of set of 75% tyres.

You sound like my brother this is why im in doubt...

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Am i allowed to mention the place i'd be getting them to see if others dealt with them successfully ..its like lapland with no lap ..up the road from the scrapyard on pinnock hill, swords dublin.

land

:D:D:D:D:D:D

Mycroft H

pburns wrote: »

Well they're going to wear out faster so where's the economy in that? Add to that the question mark hanging over them...

There cheaper in the first place? Not everyone has 400 quid spare to spend on new tyres when the time comes to replace them.

teR_

Yurp. I don't have thee money to replace with a brand new set, I'd have to do two at a time to afford it when really my tyres are almost bald

Matt Simis

I use part worns all the time, on a "fleet" of cars and have done for years.
I have 4 cars (um, technically 5 at the moment, buy my Alfa) and multiple sets of wheels for several of them. Thats a lot of tyres.
And none of my cars are weener mobiles that could really just have anything on them.

All the part worn places let me go through their stock with my Thread Gauge and inspect them, I check the age and general condition. I have an App on my phone to find perfect sizes and close alternatives (as you cannot always get your first choice of course). I google tyre brands then and there that Im not familar with. I dont buy anything with less than 5.5mm, 6mm+ being the target (new tyres are 8mm and I have got part worns with nearly 8mm on them!).
Part worns can be a smart choice if you approach them logically and with intelligence. My Audi has 4 tyres on it that cost nearly as much as the car does if I bought new..


Where do they come from? Mostly Germany and mostly due to:

- Fleet cars that get punctures usually get tyre replaced and they dont like mixing sets, so all partially used tyres get replaced
- Tyres over 5years of age are generally changed there regardless of wear
- Some confusing oddity with their seasonal "requirement" to change to Winters and then Summers means the used tyres getting taken off and replaced.
- Presumably CATC and D insurance write off vehicles which get broken for parts and tyres are such a part.

teR_

Right so part worn it is.

Will have a good look before buying

puppetmaster

pburns wrote: »

Well they're going to wear out faster so where's the economy in that? Add to that the question mark hanging over them...

Lets see, New set of high brand tyres, About 110 each (depending on size)
same set of tyres -25%-35% ware = €30-€40each = 63-72% less cost. for 25% less tyre. Not to difficult to see the economy in that :eek:

Ive had about 4 pairs of part worns of late, never had an issue with any of them. Well worth it IMO.

CiniO

puppetmaster wrote: »

Lets see, New set of high brand tyres, About 110 each (depending on size)
same set of tyres -25%-35% ware = €30-€40each = 63-72% less cost. for 25% less tyre. Not to difficult to see the economy in that :eek:

Hence that 25% less tyre might mean about 33% less mileage on it.

When new tyre is 8mm, then 25% less tyre will be 6mm.
Most drivers wouldn't drive below 2mm (just to be on a safe side) so with new tyre you have 6mm to wear, while with 25% tyre you have 4mm to wear. That's 33% less, not 25% as you thought.

puppetmaster

CiniO wrote: »

Hence that 25% less tyre might mean about 33% less mileage on it.

When new tyre is 8mm, then 25% less tyre will be 6mm.
Most drivers wouldn't drive below 2mm (just to be on a safe side) so with new tyre you have 6mm to wear, while with 25% tyre you have 4mm to wear. That's 33% less, not 25% as you thought.

Not really, the new tyres will still only be driven to 2mm as will the part worn. The 25% is of the total tyre. the Savings levels stand for themselves.

CiniO

puppetmaster wrote: »

Not really, the new tyres will still only be driven to 2mm as will the part worn. The 25% is of the total tyre. the Savings levels stand for themselves.

I think you didn't get my post

To wear down from 8mm to 2mm is 6mm
To wear down from 6mm to 2mm is 4mm.

So you will have 6mm to wear on your new tyres, and 4mm to wear on part worn, which will be 33% less than on new ones.
That also means you will make 50% more mileage more on new tyres, than on part worn one (with 25% tread).

puppetmaster

CiniO wrote: »

I think you didn't get my post

To wear down from 8mm to 2mm is 6mm
To wear down from 6mm to 2mm is 4mm.

So you will have 6mm to wear on your new tyres, and 4mm to wear on part worn, which will be 33% less than on new ones.
That also means you will make 50% more mileage more on new tyres, than on part worn one (with 25% tread).

Which of those figures is comparable to a 72% saving on cost?

CiniO

puppetmaster wrote: »

Which of those figures is comparable to a 72% saving on cost?

I'm not denying it's cheaper.
I'm just bit pedantic about maths

As well I'm just bit worried about source of those tyres, as I can't think of really genuine source for a large scale.

Of course it is possible to buy good secondhand tyres.
But I would be very cautious buying ones, especially from importer.

Jimdagym

zinzan wrote: »

This is what stops me buying them - they could look perfect but could have been in an accident (or even just bumped up and down off kerbs) and be damaged internally/structurally.

If you bought a second hand car would you automatically put 4 brand new tyres on it regardless of condition? It's the same thing.

I've never bought part warns myself, but I'll certainly be checking them out next time I need some.

puppetmaster

CiniO wrote: »

I'm not denying it's cheaper.
I'm just bit pedantic about maths

As well I'm just bit worried about source of those tyres, as I can't think of really genuine source for a large scale.

Of course it is possible to buy good secondhand tyres.
But I would be very cautious buying ones, especially from importer.

No probs, im pedantic about the cost is all.

One has to be cautious about anything you buy, with part worn tyres
they will obviously need inspection before you take them.
But as said in originall post ive had many pairs and not a single problem,
and know many people that use them. (they might not all be like that)
I would imagine all partworns in Ireland are imported.
Ive driven cars with some of the nasty Chinese stuff and thats something that should be illegalised.

Also when in a part worn tyre place recently noticed them selling the remoulds (ones with the tyre wall remoulded too) Thats something i dont think i could stretch too tbh.

chasm

Matt Simis wrote: »

Where do they come from? Mostly Germany and mostly due to:

- Fleet cars that get punctures usually get tyre replaced and they dont like mixing sets, so all partially used tyres get replaced
- Tyres over 5years of age are generally changed there regardless of wear
- Some confusing oddity with their seasonal "requirement" to change to Winters and then Summers means the used tyres getting taken off and replaced.
- Presumably CATC and D insurance write off vehicles which get broken for parts and tyres are such a part.

You missed the important one, those canny Germans realised that there would be a market for them in the UK and Ireland which means that not only do they make a few euro from them but they do not have to incur the cost of recycling/disposal

Leo Varadker was quizzed last year on what was referred to as "dumping into the Irish tyre market of part-worn tyres from other EU states or beyond" and was also asked whether the practice in the UK whereby part-worn tyres are permitted for sale on condition that the tyres are pressure tested and stamped, a similar regulation will be introduced here. Varadker said he sent off the dumping query to the RSA but i cannot find any reply after that but regarding proposed legislation, there doesn't appear to be any, as long as your tyres have over 1.6mm tread on them and E markings it seems you are good to go!

http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2011/07/19/00355.asp

http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2011/09/20/00364.asp

jimmycrackcorm

mrs crilly wrote: »

A tyre is the only thing that you keeps you are your car on the road. Get the very best you can afford.

I have never entertained the idea of part worn tyres, dunno just think you should get new every time but hey I am probably just talking crap

What's the difference between your new tyres after six months driving and someone else's six month worn tyres?

callum wallace

Put it this way , all new tyres become part worn tyres after use.

A new car tyre has a 8mm tread while a good part worn will have 6mm.

Thats all part worn means. It does not mean the tyre is damaged.

Also in in Germany it is a legal requirement to change to winter tyres regardless of how good summer tyre is.

So what is better, a good part worn Pirelli tyre or a new Chinese budget tyre.

We get our tyres from Tyreland in Swords because all the tyres are xrayed and covered by insurance

Zubeneschamali

callum wallace wrote: »

Also in in Germany it is a legal requirement to change to winter tyres regardless of how good summer tyre is.

It's hardly a legal requirement to throw away the perfectly good tyres, though. Did it never occur to the Germans to put the same tyres back on next summer?

Matt Simis

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

It's hardly a legal requirement to throw away the perfectly good tyres, though. Did it never occur to the Germans to put the same tyres back on next summer?

Fleets dont want to store tyres, people living in Apartments may not want to pay the nearest garage storage fees, fleets want to keep tyre age on both sides of car the same etc etc.

Ive already posted in this semi-resurrected thread, but I solely use Part-Worns these days. Some of the tyre sets my cars have on are worth more than the cars themselves.

dr.fuzzenstein

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

It's hardly a legal requirement to throw away the perfectly good tyres, though. Did it never occur to the Germans to put the same tyres back on next summer?

But of course they do. Most people store the other set in the garage when not in use and just swap over when appropriate.
It's actually not a legal requirement to put winter tires on the car during the winter months, but if you skid and cause a crash in slippery conditions, you are in a heap of trouble.
Car rental companies actually exploit this loophole to their advantage. Since they don't have to supply you with winter tires, but you really, really need them, they have taken to charging you up to E10 per day for the privilege of having them on your car.
Robbin' Bastids..

edit:
I have just checked out how much winter tires are for a week.
One hundred fcuking Euros and it tells me:

Winter Tyres
During the winter months, we recommend to book winter tyres along with your rental car for your safety and the safety of your passengers. * PLEASE NOTE: For rentals in Germany - The new supplement of German road traffic regulation introduced in December 2010, does not generally force the use of winter tyres. It is the motorist who is required to use appropriate tyres ("M+S tyres") when driving on icy, snow covered, snow packed, slushy and frozen roads. In order to avoid any constraints on your mobility and also for your safety, we recommend adding winter tyres to your rental car booking.

Should also read: And now we can gut you like a kipper for them.

JerCotter7

Fiona wrote: »

A tyre is the only thing that you keeps you are your car on the road. Get the very best you can afford.

I have never entertained the idea of part worn tyres, dunno just think you should get new every time but hey I am probably just talking crap

Why didn't you tell me that before I bought new suspension... Tyres are the only thing in contact with the road(usually) but they are not the only thing keeping you on the road.

OT: I buy new tyres because I like to look of them for the first few days. Bought new ones just the other day. They are part-worn now though