Corporal Punishment in Primary Schools.

LETHAL LADY

I thought it was a thing of the past, what with the new techniques for dealing with an "excitable" child, but lately, to my annoyance, I have learnt of a sickly sweet teacher, who hands out slaps on the back of the hand for her punishment.
This punishment is purely doled out against the boys in the classroom. On the face of it she seems lovely. Should I blow her cover?

hondasam

Do you really need to start another thread to ask this question? If you are that concerned you should report her to her superiors or the gardai.

strobe

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

I thought it was a thing of the past, what with the new techniques for dealing with an "excitable" child, but lately, to my annoyance, I have learnt of a sickly sweet teacher, who hands out slaps on the back of the hand for her punishment.
This punishment is purely doled out against the boys in the classroom. On the face of it she seems lovely. Should I blow her cover?

Yes. Yes you should.

micropig

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

I thought it was a thing of the past, what with the new techniques for dealing with an "excitable" child, but lately, to my annoyance, I have learnt of a sickly sweet teacher, who hands out slaps on the back of the hand for her punishment.
This punishment is purely doled out against the boys in the classroom. On the face of it she seems lovely. Should I blow her cover?

Yes, report her, why wouldn't you?

LETHAL LADY

micropig wrote: »

Yes, report her, why wouldn't you?

Lets just say that I only have word of mouth, coupled with vivid imaginations.

44leto

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

I thought it was a thing of the past, what with the new techniques for dealing with an "excitable" child, but lately, to my annoyance, I have learnt of a sickly sweet teacher, who hands out slaps on the back of the hand for her punishment.
This punishment is purely doled out against the boys in the classroom. On the face of it she seems lovely. Should I blow her cover?

Ohh I know and she charges a fortune for the service, but I am a bad bold boy.

playpink

just deal with it....get the gardai involved? "oh my son got a slap on his hand" fukin hell theese forums are the pits... or im in a twilight zone...

uch

The only way to deal with an "excitable" child is to clatter them behind the ear, like we used to get in school, never did people of my generation any harm

micropig

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

Lets just say that I only have word of mouth, coupled with vivid imaginations.

Ah, well that's shakey ground, if you had proof.....

but if you're really concerned report her and let the department investigate from there, talk to other parents, see if they have the same story etc

LETHAL LADY

hondasam wrote: »

Do you really need to start another thread to ask this question? If you are that concerned you should report her to her superiors or the gardai.

So you dont question anything, you just respond.

Insect Overlord

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

Lets just say that I only have word of mouth, coupled with vivid imaginations.

In that case, you've come to the right place...

playpink

"blow her cover" come on she wasnt involved in a tiger kidnapping, jesus just be the adult and stand up for ur kid

cloptrop

Dig a big hole on the other side of the yellow line, You know the yellow line , every yard had one you werent allowed cross.
Bury the kids in there op , tar mac hides all wounds.

44leto

uch wrote: »

The only way to deal with an "excitable" child is to clatter them behind the ear, like we used to get in school, never did people of my generation any harm

Well now you feel it is right to clatter a child behind the ear,, so it might have.

hondasam

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

So you dont question anything, you just respond.

If I thought some teacher was hitting children in school I would report it. Is it true or not? what have you done about it?

cloptrop

Tell the local priest, this is the system that has worked in Ireland for years dont go meddling in it now.

smokedeels

When my primary school principle realised he had got a bit rough with a student, he'd pay them off with chocolate.

I think it was fair trade and it didn't happen often, we weren't a school full of traumatised fat kids.

LETHAL LADY

hondasam wrote: »

If I thought some teacher was hitting children in school I would report it. Is it true or not? what have you done about it?

What I am talking about is a rap against the back of the hand. It is nothing obvious that leaves a mark but simply something to control the class. I am not there so how can I report something if I have no proof.

micropig

cloptrop wrote: »

Tell the local priest, this is the system that has worked in Ireland for years dont go meddling in it now.

guitarzero

strobe wrote: »

Yes. Yes you should.

Stop. Stop doing that:mad:.

hondasam

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

What I am talking about is a rap against the back of the hand. It is nothing obvious that leaves a mark but simply something to control the class. I am not there so how can I report something if I have no proof.

Your attitude is the same as years ago, teacher is always right etc.
Someone must have told you, ask the parents of the children involved, if the teacher is innocent she will not mind if the parents talk to her. I cannot stand this I have no proof, why bother bringing it up then?

cloptrop

Im tired of this country going all pussy lately , ask yourself what would padraig nally do , then go and do it,
My hairdresser took a bit too much off the fringe the other day , I asked meself what the nally fella would do , then I slept in the stable for a week for fear theyd come back and get me.

LETHAL LADY

hondasam wrote: »

Your attitude is the same as years ago, teacher is always right etc.
Someone must have told you, ask the parents of the children involved, if the teacher is innocent she will not mind if the parents talk to her. I cannot stand this I have no proof, why bother bringing it up then?

My sources are real, dont try to surmise it with a Paul Williams outlook. God forbid, if I had to take the stand, hand on heart, the story I am telling is 100% true.

guitarzero

I think teachers should really remember how f*cking awful it is for a child to be under such controlled conditions for such long periods of time. There was always a few loose cannons in class and looking back they were just right, f*ck these miserable c*nts who teach our kids to adhere to authority, do what their told and inhibit curiosity.

cloptrop

In all honesty though op all messing aside if I thought there was even the slightest chance a teacher was hitting one of my kids Id go in and beat the piss out of him/her in the class room and I havnt been anyways violent since my youth , I think it is important to go tell the parents or the principal , probably the principal .
Or just grab the little skank by the throat and tell her you dont appreciate her methods of teaching .

Millicent

playpink wrote: »

just deal with it....get the gardai involved? "oh my son got a slap on his hand" fukin hell theese forums are the pits... or im in a twilight zone...

Are you serious? There's a suspicion that a teacher is routinely and covertly disciplining children in a banned manner and you're complaining about the thread? OP, contact the principal and go from there.

Musefan

Under children's first guidelines, mandatory reporting of any abuse (physical, sexual or otherwise) is encouraged. You are encouraged to believe the child in all of these situations, regardless of whether you have witnessed it yourself.

In a couple of months when these guidelines become statutory, OP would be legally obliged to report and could be punished is they do not report an incident.

Source: I am involved with the ISPCC.

LETHAL LADY

guitarzero wrote: »

I think teachers should really remember how f*cking awful it is for a child to be under such controlled conditions for such long periods of time. There was always a few loose cannons in class and looking back they were just right, f*ck these miserable c*nts who teach our kids to adhere to authority, do what their told and inhibit curiosity.

You are 100% right and its eggsfookingzactly what I mean.;)

susita06

Op I am a bit confused - you said to
your annoyance you hear of the teacher slapping children which suggests you disagree however when another poster said report it you questioned this ?!

hondasam

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

My sources are real, dont try to surmise it with a Paul Williams outlook. God forbid, if I had to take the stand, hand on heart, the story I am telling is 100% true.

What are you going to do about it? will you report it because if you don't you are just as bad as the teacher who is hitting the children. Sorry.

uch

44leto wrote: »

Well now you feel it is right to clatter a child behind the ear,, so it might have.

Nah you see, when I was in school in the 80's if a pupil got out of order they got a slap, we accepted it because we knew the line that we did'nt cross, but now if they cross the line there is Fk all a teacher can do, so no punishment means continue what you're doing

Chuck Stone

Train one of the children to scream his head off and roll around the ground screaming until someone comes the next time he gets hit.

That'll learn 'er.

TreesAreCrowd

Oh no, not a smack on the back of the hand, what next?

Have you checked that they're using the domestos that kills 99% of bacteria too, in case your precious child gets near some nasty oul bacteria?

I fear for the next generation, I honestly do. Parenting has gone to shít.

Millicent

uch wrote: »

Nah you see, when I was in school in the 80's if a pupil got out of order they got a slap, we accepted it because we knew the line that we did'nt cross, but now if they cross the line there is Fk all a teacher can do, so no punishment means continue what you're doing

Where did you go to school? I went to school in the 80s and nobody slapped anyone.

Millicent

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Oh no, not a smack on the back of the hand, what next?

Have you checked that they're using the domestos that kills 99% of bacteria too, in case your precious child gets near some nasty oul bacteria?

I fear for the next generation, I honestly do. Parenting has gone to shít.

No it hasn't. It is not a teacher's place to physically discipline a child. If they can't control a classroom without resorting to violence, they should choose another profession as they're not suited to the one they're in.

LETHAL LADY

hondasam wrote: »

What are you going to do about it? will you report it because if you don't you are just as bad as the teacher who is hitting the children. Sorry.

That is a very cut n dry methodoligy. Sympathy is obviously not your game.

TreesAreCrowd

Millicent wrote: »

No it hasn't. It is not a teacher's place to physically discipline a child. If they can't control a classroom without resorting to violence, they should choose another profession as they're not suited to the one they're in.

They could beat them over the head with a chair for all I care.

Musefan

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

That is a very cut n dry methodoligy. Sympathy is obviously not your game.

Regardless of whether it is cut or dry, when mandatory reporting becomes statutory later this year, you will in the eyes of the law, be liable for punishment if you don't report. The teacher will also be liable to be punished. So in a way, in not reporting someone you are kind of on a par with the individual, given that you will be both punishable in the eyes of the law.

Please do not see this as an attack, I am simply citing my knowledge of the subject, and not my opinions.

Realistically, in my opinion, the OP highlights perfectly what is wrong with the current system- not enough knowledge about how and when to report and the consequences of reporting. Those who have information on crimes should be facilitated to share information in the safest way possible.

uch

Millicent wrote: »

Where did you go to school? I went to school in the 80s and nobody slapped anyone.

The very affluent Booterstown for Primary

Millicent

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

They could beat them over the head with a chair for all I care.

Well that's lovely. Thanks for sharing.

uch

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

They could beat them over the head with a chair for all I care.

They did:eek:

3rdDegree

Do you know what, parents these said are completely fvcking insane. Teacher gives them a little slap on the hand, ffs! Get over it or just home school.

TreesAreCrowd

uch wrote: »

They did:eek:

Well hopefully the ISPCC will create an ad about it, they're always good for a chuckle.

TreesAreCrowd

3rdDegree wrote: »

Do you know what, parents these said are completely fvcking insane. Teacher gives them a little slap on the hand, ffs! Get over it or just home school.

Don't you know what a slap can do?!

You leave my little Sean alone, he has ADHD, it's not behavioural issues as a result of bad parenting of course, it's a problem with his brain! He can't help that he's a complete shít to have around!

hondasam

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

That is a very cut n dry methodoligy. Sympathy is obviously not your game.

It's fairly simple to me tbh, I would speak to the parents first and let them decide to speak to the teacher.

Sympathy? to The children, teacher or you?

Millicent

3rdDegree wrote: »

Do you know what, parents these said are completely fvcking insane. Teacher gives them a little slap on the hand, ffs! Get over it or just home school.

Mother of divine; how are so many people okay with teachers using their hands to discipline a child in this day and age, especially given our colourful history with institutional abuse?

Millicent

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Well hopefully the ISPCC will create an ad about it, they're always good for a chuckle.

Are you trolling or are you actually this repugnant usually?

hondasam

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Don't you know what a slap can do?!

You leave my little Sean alone, he has ADHD, it's not behavioural issues as a result of bad parenting of course, it's a problem with his brain! He can't help that he's a complete shít to have around!

You have no time for children so obviously you see nothing wrong with a teacher slapping a child, it is wrong. We all expect better from teachers these days.

uch

TreesAreCrowd wrote: »

Well hopefully the ISPCC will create an ad about it, they're always good for a chuckle.

No ISPCC when we went to school lads, not trying to stirr things up here but a lot of people here went to school when I did and it seems to be 50/50 on who got whacked and who did'nt, thats the way it was, and all i'm saying is it did'nt do me any harm, and in my 'opinoin' it still would'nt do kids any harm

TreesAreCrowd

hondasam wrote: »

You have no time for children so obviously you see nothing wrong with a teacher slapping a child, it is wrong. We all expect better from teachers these days.

Better? Modern parenting tripe such as "naughty steps" and other such bollocks? The same thing breeding a generation of **** children being labelled as having "ADHD" and stuck on drugs, which other parents then feel give said child an advantage and want their own children on it? And this is to be accepted as normal and "better"

Time will show that this new age parenting bullshít is more damaging to kids than a slap on the back of a hand ever was.

I don't know what you're expecting of primary schools teachers, but knowing the type going into it, I wouldn't expect much, never mind on a behavioural level.

Sharpshooter

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

I thought it was a thing of the past, what with the new techniques for dealing with an "excitable" child, but lately, to my annoyance, I have learnt of a sickly sweet teacher, who hands out slaps on the back of the hand for her punishment.
This punishment is purely doled out against the boys in the classroom. On the face of it she seems lovely. Should I blow her cover?

micropig wrote: »

Yes, report her, why wouldn't you?

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

Lets just say that I only have word of mouth, coupled with vivid imaginations.

hondasam wrote: »

Do you really need to start another thread to ask this question? If you are that concerned you should report her to her superiors or the gardai.

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

So you dont question anything, you just respond.

That's usually what happens when you start a discussion,you get a response.

hondasam wrote: »

If I thought some teacher was hitting children in school I would report it. Is it true or not? what have you done about it?

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

What I am talking about is a rap against the back of the hand. It is nothing obvious that leaves a mark but simply something to control the class. I am not there so how can I report something if I have no proof.

hondasam wrote: »

Your attitude is the same as years ago, teacher is always right etc.
Someone must have told you, ask the parents of the children involved, if the teacher is innocent she will not mind if the parents talk to her. I cannot stand this I have no proof, why bother bringing it up then?

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

My sources are real, dont try to surmise it with a Paul Williams outlook. God forbid, if I had to take the stand, hand on heart, the story I am telling is 100% true.

Make up your mind,OP!
Either you have no proof or you are 100% sure.

Lets just leave it here.