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rawlplug

Just wondering lads can anyone recomend a decent M4, I was looking at the TFC PTW from MIA but after the replies I got on the thread I started about it and the fact I can't find anything on line about it I think I'll give it a miss.
What I'm looking for is an M4 metal with blowback Lipo ready 11.1 would be nice , A quick spring change would also be nice. The more I look online the more confused I get lol. my budget is up to 400 ish and I want to buy from an Irish retailer. Also and advice on Lipo or nimh batteries please.

Thank you in advance

gerrowadat

The ICS is nice, talk to Hobby Airsoft who get them in the odd time.

Why do you need 11.1 lipo support?

rawlplug

gerrowadat wrote: »

The ICS is nice, talk to Hobby Airsoft who get them in the odd time.

Why do you need 11.1 lipo support?

Yep and because I would like to have a blow back function I was thinking that I would not loose RPM ,I saw two guy's leave a great postion just beacause of the rof from an m60 on a lipo in the Uk ,after the game they said the sound and amount of bbs hitting was incredable. The more rounds down range the better lol

Lemming

rawlplug wrote: »

Yep and because I would like to have a blow back function I was thinking that I would not loose RPM ,I saw two guy's leave a great postion just beacause of the rof from an m60 on a lipo in the Uk ,after the game they said the sound and amount of bbs hitting was incredable. The more rounds down range the better lol

The ROF would be as much to do with the motor as the battery's throughput (C-rating).

What do I mean by C-rating? It's possible, for example, to get a 7.4v lipo that has a 15C rating, vs. one that might have the same MaH yet 25C rating, meaning the higher C-rating will allow the other battery transfer a higher current at any given moment in time.

Also, the only thing that increased ROF does is make you run out of ammo faster. I run a support gun more often than not (m60 or Stoner depending) and a) use nothing above 7.4v on either, b) an 11.1v on full-auto will eat internals in far shorter order and c) it's the quality, not quantity of suppression fire that matters. I realise you're looking for an assault rifle, but bear with me please - there is an end-point for my seeming meandering here.

Coming back to point b for a second; most people - that I know at any rate - use 11.1v for quicker trigger response using semi-auto most of the time with occasional flicks to full-auto for those "oh dear" moments. 11.1v for a support gun is not a good idea due to the far greater strain placed on internal components; that applies equally to any given assault rifle. So if you're someone who has a heavy trigger finger and isn't aware of any settings other than 'safe' and 'full-auto' I'd think about wanting to use 11.1v for a second.

gerrowadat

Yep, what Lemming said. VERY few guns support chugging away with an 11.1v lipo on full auto for longer than a second or so, for good reason. It's pointless and you can get much better results by just working on your skills.

It's _possible_, but it'll run you a couple hundred quid over the price of the gun and end up being pointless anyway.

Also, be careful of people who try to sell you an "11.1 ready" gun. Usually this means an 11.1v battery will physically fit in, and test fire ok for a few seconds, but you'll end up stripping within a few days game time. MIA were selling a KWA m4 a few years back as 'lipo ready', and I can't count the number of times I heard a gearbox stripping near me and went "KWA M4?", to see a sad nod coming from the owner.

rawlplug

Would you like to sell the Stoner lol:D

Lemming wrote: »

The ROF would be as much to do with the motor as the battery's throughput (C-rating).

What do I mean by C-rating? It's possible, for example, to get a 7.4v lipo that has a 15C rating, vs. one that might have the same MaH yet 25C rating, meaning the higher C-rating will allow the other battery transfer a higher current at any given moment in time.

Also, the only thing that increased ROF does is make you run out of ammo faster. I run a support gun more often than not (m60 or Stoner depending) and a) use nothing above 7.4v on either, b) an 11.1v on full-auto will eat internals in far shorter order and c) it's the quality, not quantity of suppression fire that matters. I realise you're looking for an assault rifle, but bear with me please - there is an end-point for my seeming meandering here.

Coming back to point b for a second; most people - that I know at any rate - use 11.1v for quicker trigger response using semi-auto most of the time with occasional flicks to full-auto for those "oh dear" moments. 11.1v for a support gun is not a good idea due to the far greater strain placed on internal components; that applies equally to any given assault rifle. So if you're someone who has a heavy trigger finger and isn't aware of any settings other than 'safe' and 'full-auto' I'd think about wanting to use 11.1v for a second.

T4RGET

rawlplug wrote: »

Would you like to sell the Stoner lol:D

Hobbyairsoft have the Stoner 'shorty' it might interest you, infact their entire G&P range might interest you :P

http://www.hobbyairsofter.com/G-P-Elite-Airsoft

Inari

You mention a lot of specific features; do you have equally specific reasons for them, or are they just a 'nice to have' sort of thing?

The reason why I ask is Blowback severely narrows your choice, and it is little more than a gimmick. Actually, it is nothing more than a gimmick. You feel no recoil, and if your gun is made by anyone other than G&G then your blowback is connected to your piston, so if it strips, bye bye blowback anyway (you can modify pistons, or sometimes you can buy specific ones - but more work than it's worth).

The quick spring change means you would be limited to ARES or ICS in terms of M4; I am unaware of any other V2 gearbox offering a quick spring change function.

Being able to handle an 11.1v lipo is a user thing, not a gun thing. What you're looking for from the gun is good strong gears, a nice quick motor, metal toothed piston, good airseal, weak spring and if at all possible a good MOSFET. It is rare, if not impossible to find all of these features in an off-the-shelf model. You are far better off buying a gun that fits the vast majority of your requirements, and upgrading the internals a little.

So if you look at it, it is easy to get confused - blowback that doesn't go bye bye with your piston leaves you with G&G/Top Tech, and Quick Spring Change leaves you with ICS or ARES, neither of which have blowback, and none of which are rated for 11.1v lipo out of the box.