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New Feinwerkbau air rifle launched at IWA2012

  • 10-03-2012 5:55pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭


    So I'll be getting a new air rifle in September, and am looking round at what's on the market at the moment and mostly I'm thinking Walther LG400:

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    And then today Feinwerkbau go and release this, the FWB 800, at IWA2012:

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    Looks just like a slightly gussied-up FWB P700, but it does have two interesting features. First off, a big pain in the backside with some match air rifles (like my Anschutz) is that the loading lever opens vertically upwards, and will get blocked if your rearsight is too far foward, which is limiting if you have to wear shooting glasses. Since you have to open it completely to charge the rifle for the next shot, that's a bit of a bummer. Other rifles address that by opening the charging arm horizontally (like the new Anschutz rifles) or by pushing the charging arm out away from the body of the rifle (like the LG400). The FWB lets you adjust the charging arm to swing it out away from the body, but lets you adjust it so far, that you open the arm vertically downwards. Which doesn't sound like much, but is pretty nifty if you use these things....

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    The other odd feature, is that the stock can be adjusted in two vertical axes, which is pretty new, but I'm not sure how useful it'll actually be:

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    More photos and details here. Worth looking at for the ISSF geeks...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭Mr.Flibble


    Sparks wrote: »
    The other odd feature, is that the stock can be adjusted in two vertical axes, which is pretty new, but I'm not sure how useful it'll actually be:


    Only one small part to buy after you drop it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭Mr.Flibble


    Sparks wrote: »


    Does it come in red & green?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,806 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    What would the sticker price be on those two rifles Sparks?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Don't know about the 800 Blay, but the lg400 would run to between €2500 and €3500 depending on how you configure it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,806 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Wow not exactly something you could raid the piggy bank for then:) I'm sure they are well worth the price though.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    No, they're not something you're likely to find a gun dealer trying to flog cheaply to get space in his storage lockup! But they will put a hundred pellets through the same hole at ten metres, and can adjust to fit just about any physique from petite to you-ate-all-the-pies-didn't-you :D

    If ISSF airgun is what you want to shoot, these kind of things represent the top of the line at the moment...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭Thirdfox


    Hey Sparks - what about a Steyr? It'd be nice to see some on the international circuit ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Actually, there's a new Steyr LG110 after being released at IWA2012 as well Thirdfox, with an electronic trigger which is supposed to be absolutely excellent according to that reviewer, who builds them himself. You see electronic triggers on a lot of high-end pistols over the last decade or so, the idea is that you physically cannot feel any difference in trigger pull between live and dry firing, which you technically can with mechanical triggers. I think it might be more important to pistol shooters though, since the trigger is so much more critical to them than it is to us (even though it's highly important to us too.


    Thing is, looking up and down the line in Luxembourg and the Hague, we mostly saw Walther 300-series rifles in various forms. There weren't a huge number of Steyrs (and the ones you did see were all LG110s); maybe about as many as you saw Feinwerkbaus - but more than you saw of Anschutz. Walther really does seem to have dominated the market right now. And that section of the market tends to be fairly strongly driven by function rather than marketing :D The early LG400s for example, were sent to a lot of the high-end shooters for free -- and promptly returned because of problems with the regulator (since fixed, apparently). The guys they were sending them to knew that if the kit they used was substandard, they would very quickly stop being in that demographic as other people beat them in matches :D So quite a lot of the time, if you see someone at the high end using something, it's a sign that it does work (for them, at least - for example, I know some of the stuff on Peter Hellenbrand's anschutz doesn't work for me because I tried it for myself, but it works for him beautifully).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Whatever about the LG300, that's going to increased with the 400. Got a chance to handle one first in 2010 and it really is very, very good. Probably the way I'd go if I were airgun shopping today. Trigger, grip and cheekpiece just felt superb, and the balance and proportion is just right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    It's a lovely piece of kit allright - but I'd lose the cheekpiece right from the get-go, and I won't bother with the sights, I'll stick with my MEC and Centra setup. I'm hoping I'll get to shoot a match or at least train a bit with one before making the final decision, but for now I think it's down to a choice between the LG400 and the MEC revolution stock.

    BTW IWM, there was a new Bleiker Alu stock in IWA as well, and the new G&D x-racer stock...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Have to say I do like that new Walther rearsight. Very tidy. Been thinking a while though about changing foresight setup to a Score tunnel and Highend elements. Just trying to decide how many elements I could realistically get away with for 3P in all sorts of conditions...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 sbw


    An adjustable charging arm. That's brilliant. Clearly FWB are listening to their customers. On the P700 with a default set up, you can't move the rearsight forward beyond a certain point without the fixed vertical charging arm hitting the side knob of the rearsight. As you introduce raiser blocks, that point becomes further and further back along the sight line of the rifle too. If you're tall and/or have a long neck, it really hampers your position.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Yup - and that's probably why the LG400's arm is mounted so far off-board as well.

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    (click the photo for the huge version)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭Double Barrel


    Hey Sparks
    My choice of eye candy is just a bit different, :rolleyes:, but your choice is still candy.:D

    How much do these guns weigh ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Hey Sparks
    My choice of eye candy is just a bit different, :rolleyes:, but your choice is still candy.:D

    How much do these guns weigh ?

    There's an upper weight limit of 5.5kg. Most come in stock around 4.5-5kg to allow for adding weight and balance tweaking and the like. If it helps DB, I like both kinds of eye candy myself!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,110 ✭✭✭Thirdfox


    Sparks wrote: »
    Actually, there's a new Steyr LG110 after being released at IWA2012 as well Thirdfox, with an electronic trigger which is supposed to be absolutely excellent according to that reviewer, who builds them himself. You see electronic triggers on a lot of high-end pistols over the last decade or so, the idea is that you physically cannot feel any difference in trigger pull between live and dry firing, which you technically can with mechanical triggers. I think it might be more important to pistol shooters though, since the trigger is so much more critical to them than it is to us (even though it's highly important to us too.


    Thing is, looking up and down the line in Luxembourg and the Hague, we mostly saw Walther 300-series rifles in various forms. There weren't a huge number of Steyrs (and the ones you did see were all LG110s); maybe about as many as you saw Feinwerkbaus - but more than you saw of Anschutz. Walther really does seem to have dominated the market right now. And that section of the market tends to be fairly strongly driven by function rather than marketing :D The early LG400s for example, were sent to a lot of the high-end shooters for free -- and promptly returned because of problems with the regulator (since fixed, apparently). The guys they were sending them to knew that if the kit they used was substandard, they would very quickly stop being in that demographic as other people beat them in matches :D So quite a lot of the time, if you see someone at the high end using something, it's a sign that it does work (for them, at least - for example, I know some of the stuff on Peter Hellenbrand's anschutz doesn't work for me because I tried it for myself, but it works for him beautifully).

    Sorry for the OT-ness of the posts but didn't expect for there to be a lack of FWBs on the international circuit - thought the P700s were hot stuff?

    Is it akin to the camera world - Canon/Nikon playing leapfrog with each other.

    Well I guess I'll need to start hitting 570+ before I start worrying about what others are shooting with :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Thirdfox wrote: »
    Sorry for the OT-ness of the posts but didn't expect for there to be a lack of FWBs on the international circuit - thought the P700s were hot stuff?

    Is it akin to the camera world - Canon/Nikon playing leapfrog with each other.

    Well I guess I'll need to start hitting 570+ before I start worrying about what others are shooting with :D

    There are a *lot* of P700s out there as well. Actually, in terms of market share from what I've seen at WC and WCH level, they're ahead of Walther, but Walther's gaining ground. Both are doing great things, but this P800 is just trying to catch up with a few things on the LG400 that Walther got their foot in the door on first, and it'll probably cost Feinwerkbau.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    To be honest IWM, the only P700s I saw in the last two matches were being shot by juniors and as hand-me-downs at that. They're very solid rifles, but they've not been the top of the line for several years and the 300XT actions just seem to be that little bit better. I'd say it was regional, but it seemed to apply to the GBs, Europeans, Indians and Russians...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    There's an upper weight limit of 5.5kg.
    Yup - mine's 5.4kg at the moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Sparks wrote: »
    To be honest IWM, the only P700s I saw in the last two matches were being shot by juniors and as hand-me-downs at that. They're very solid rifles, but they've not been the top of the line for several years and the 300XT actions just seem to be that little bit better. I'd say it was regional, but it seemed to apply to the GBs, Europeans, Indians and Russians...

    If so, it's a shift in the last year, definitely, and you're right, they've been out a good while now, but so has the LG300. In the base configuration I actually think the FWB is a more polished gun, but in terms of the higher end (the Carbontecs and the like) the Walther is substantially nicer. Me, I'd be going LG400 I reckon, from having had my grubby mitts on a couple at this stage, but I do really like the P700, and it just agrees nicely with me in terms of feel and balance. Personally, like you, I'd scrap the FWB sights and go aftermarket, and same for the buttplate, but the new Walther rearsight is a really nice unit, and saving a big lump of cash there is a nice sweetener.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    I'd agree with that - the inside-out sight's not bad, I just prefer the MEC because my shot routine's a little odd in that there's a lot of pre-aiming in it and looking over the sights is important to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Sparks wrote: »
    I'd agree with that - the inside-out sight's not bad, I just prefer the MEC because my shot routine's a little odd in that there's a lot of pre-aiming in it and looking over the sights is important to me.

    I think it'd be a superb rearsight for either of the slinged positions. Great visibility to the sides. Very pricey as an aftermarket unit though! Thinking of getting a smaller iris at some point to give more visibility with my Centra sight. I hadn't realised how small that'd be until I got it. Actually, that'd probably offer the same visibility over the top as the MEC. thinking of picking up a dedicated standing rearsight in the summer for 3P, along with a spare buttplate setup and cheekpiece. Doubt I'll be forking out for anything at the higher end though, sadly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Very pricey as an aftermarket unit though!
    You ain't kidding - I had to get married to get mine :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Sparks wrote: »
    You ain't kidding - I had to get married to get mine :D

    I meant the Walther, though the MEC is in the same ballpark. Ah, some day when the sports council is funding my gear upgrades! :D


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