Could this happen in Ireland ?

keithclancy

Just got my Motor Tax notice in the door here in NL, its gone up to 1412 euros / year. :mad: on a 7 year old Volvo V50 2.0D.

Anyways, was looking at the news and came across this:
http://www.pleinplus.nl/nieuws/artikel/23124/motorrijtuigenbelasting_heffen_over_auto_met_duits_kenteken_mag

Basically the jist of it is a guy living in the Netherlands with his German registered car that was available to his employees in Belgium, Germany and The Netherlands now has to be Dutch Road tax on top of his German road tax because he's normally using it on the roads in the Netherlands.

I think my Polish neighbour will be bricking it since he has a 3 Liter E Class merc that hes had here for the last year, the tax on that thing would be over 2200 euros a year.

So:

A. Do you think this could happen in Ireland with people on UK Reg plates ?
B. Do you think its fair ?

Atomic Pineapple

I don't get it? Does it mean that to drive in the Netherlands he has to pay additional tax!?

EDIT: Just read he's living in the Netherlands, permanently or does he have an address in Germany?

ShadowHearth

When did 3000cc and more became 2.2k eu?!

Big Nasty

They should all be driving within their means / electric cars / live close to their job / not have bought in the boom, etc, etc.

/thread.

no1beemerfan

You live in the Netherlands but don't have a Netherlands registered car but because you live in the Netherlands you have to pay road tax there now on a foreign reg'd car? Is that what you mean?

challengemaster

If you're using the countries roads on a permanent basis, then yes you should be paying the road tax. So yes, it is fair.

Gurgle

keithclancy wrote: »

A. Do you think this could happen in Ireland with people on UK Reg plates ?
B. Do you think its fair ?

Yes to both questions.
Too many dodging VRT and road tax by keeping the car on UK plates for years after importing.

djimi

How would a system like this even work? If Im driving an Irish reg car in Holland for instance then surely Im still getting taxed by the Irish government and the Dutch government doesnt even know my car exists? Or do you have to register all cars even if they wont be chaging to Dutch plates?

It wouldnt happen in Ireland because if the car is here for more than 6 months (I think?) it must be reregistered to Irish plates.

keithclancy

Oh, sorry should have been clear ... the cost of my Motor Tax is unrelated, I drive a Dutch registered car.

I looked up when it was increased and came across that other article.

Basically it means that if you come to the Netherlands to live and work for even a few months you'll have to pay Motor Tax.

Basically it means if you drive here on Foreign plates and the ANPR cameras pick you up over a 3 month period they'll track you down and get you to pay Motor Tax.

I was wondering for a while what the new cameras at the border points were for, every time i drove past it flashed, was afraid it was a speed cam

djimi wrote: »

How would a system like this even work? If Im driving an Irish reg car in Holland for instance then surely Im still getting taxed by the Irish government and the Dutch government doesnt even know my car exists? Or do you have to register all cars even if they wont be chaging to Dutch plates?

It wouldnt happen in Ireland because if the car is here for more than 6 months (I think?) it must be reregistered to Irish plates.

Basically its done with ANPR.

Yes you'd have to pay your Motor Tax twice, or indeed just register it in the Netherlands.

the 6 month thing exists here too, but theres exemptions and it usually applys to Vehicle Registration Tax (BPM)

munchkin_utd

keithclancy wrote: »

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A. Do you think this could happen in Ireland with people on UK Reg plates ?
B. Do you think its fair ?

Is the irish imposition of VRT and subsequent Irish motor tax on people living in Ireland driving on foreign plates not the same?

i.e.
once you are in Ireland long enough you have to come on board the irish tax system
The only difference is that in Holland they seemingly allow you keep the foreign plates (and theres no one off initial fee, just the motor tax alone)

I'd have no problem with it.
Just like the health system or whatever, as a temporary resident there is one system (like the E111 etc from your homeland covering you) but once you are longer term then you need to come on board the local tax and benefits system.

My neighbour in Cavan was done back in the '80s by the guards for having a uk company car (company based in UK with branch in Cavan) and the choice then was to have it registered in Ireland or impounded.
This VRT thing for UK plates is not new!!

keithclancy

munchkin_utd wrote: »

Is the irish imposition of VRT and subsequent Irish motor tax on people living in Ireland driving on foreign plates not the same?

i.e.
once you are in Ireland long enough you have to come on board the irish tax system
The only difference is that in Holland they seemingly allow you keep the foreign plates (and theres no one off initial fee, just the motor tax alone)

I'd have no problem with it.
Just like the health system or whatever, as a temporary resident there is one system (like the E111 etc from your homeland covering you) but once you are longer term then you need to come on board the local tax and benefits system.

My neighbour in Cavan was done back in the '80s by the guards for having a uk company car (company based in UK with branch in Cavan) and the choice then was to have it registered in Ireland or impounded.
This VRT thing for UK plates is not new!!

I'm pretty sure the rules for BPM in the Netherlands are almost the exact same as the rules for VRT.

E.G. If Ireland was doing the same and someone say had Family ties in the North and was working/living in the South (Not liable for VRT) then they would have to pay motor tax anyway for using their car on Irish Roads.

So everyone driving on Foreign plates would have to pay Motor Tax even if they are exempt from Registration (VRT).

So say you drove over to the Netherlands in your Irish car and worked on a 3 or 6 month contract, you wouldn't have to register but you'd have to pay 3 or 6 months Motor Tax as well because you were normally using your car there.

Of course some are exempt from all taxes (CD Plate cars, European Office Cars to name a few)

eqwjewoiujqorj

keithclancy wrote: »

Just got my Motor Tax notice in the door here in NL, its gone up to 1412 euros / year. :mad: on a 7 year old Volvo V50 2.0D.

How much in Ireland?

Nissan doctor

eqwjewoiujqorj wrote: »

How much in Ireland?

2.0 engine here is 600 odd.

CiniO

djimi wrote: »

How would a system like this even work? If Im driving an Irish reg car in Holland for instance then surely Im still getting taxed by the Irish government and the Dutch government doesnt even know my car exists?

You are not.
If you have your Irish registered vehicle abroad, you are not required to pay motor-tax to Irish government, unless regulations in country where you are driving required this, but that is very unlikely.

keithclancy

CiniO wrote: »

You are not.
If you have your Irish registered vehicle abroad, you are not required to pay motor-tax to Irish government, unless regulations in country where you are driving required this, but that is very unlikely.

+1 and they'd have no way of verifying if its Valid or not.

You could have a piece of paper with "El motor taxo" written on it.

djimi

CiniO wrote: »

You are not.
If you have your Irish registered vehicle abroad, you are not required to pay motor-tax to Irish government, unless regulations in country where you are driving required this, but that is very unlikely.

Can you register the vehicle as being outside the State? Im not saying you have to pay it, but while the vehicle is registered on Irish plates will the tax office not continue to try and charge it road tax (as in, how do they know the car is not currently in Ireland)?

djimi

keithclancy wrote: »

+1 and they'd have no way of verifying if its Valid or not.

You could have a piece of paper with "El motor taxo" written on it.

My original point/question was more how would the Dutch government even know that my car was in the country. Youve answered that with the cameras at the border and the ANPR.

keithclancy

djimi wrote: »

Can you register the vehicle as being outside the State? Im not saying you have to pay it, but while the vehicle is registered on Irish plates will the tax office not continue to try and charge it road tax (as in, how do they know the car is not currently in Ireland)?

In Ireland its only if you get caught (i.e. Stopped by a Garda) its Reactive instead of Proactive.

CiniO

djimi wrote: »

Can you register the vehicle as being outside the State? Im not saying you have to pay it, but while the vehicle is registered on Irish plates will the tax office not continue to try and charge it road tax (as in, how do they know the car is not currently in Ireland)?

Tax office only sends form to fill in with payment details.
No one is forcing anyone to pay motortax.

According to Finance act (if I remember well) your vehicle is required to be taxed if used on public road. While according to road traffic act, "public road" is a road under management of city or county council in Ireland.

In other words, there are no regulations that would require you to pay motor-tax if your car is not used on public roads in Ireland.