A letter to the diocese

kylith

I don't think that it's copyrighted, but if the image needs to be taken down here's a link: http://bocktherobber.com/2012/02/lenten-regulations-john-charles-mcquaid/



I like that it's forward and progressive in it's edicts such as "the church forbids the marriage of a catholic to a non-catholic" and "we don't approve of girls cycling, or doing athlethics".

Great stuff from the church for the 21st centaury.

robindch

kylith wrote: »

Great stuff from the church for the 21st centaury.

Well, 20th century anyway -- it's from 1953.

That said, reading McQuaid's opening line "We draw attention...", I'm reminded of the twit who showed up at a society party in London one evening and spent the evening referring to himself as "we". Which eventually drew the rebuke:

Some Guy wrote:

Sir, only the Queen of England and a man with an intestinal parasite may rightfully refer to themselves in the first-person plural. Which are you?

Oranage2

"In more recent news man has landed on the moon"

kylith

Ah feck, I missed that! A friend just posted the pic on facebook, and I found a link in case of copyright.

Interesting bit about Trinity. They didn't have much luck stopping people going there, or stopping girls from riding bikes.

Penn

Parents have a most serious duty to secure a fully Catholic upbringing for their children, in all that concerns the instruction of their minds, the training of their wills to virtue, their bodily welfare and the preparation for their life as citizens, (Canon 1113, Code of Canon Law.)

Only the Church is competent to declare what is a fully Catholic upbringing; for, to the Church alone which, He established, Our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, has given the mission to teach mankind to observe all things whatsoever He has commanded. (St. Matthew, xxviii, 20)

Accordingly, in the education of Catholics, every branch of human training, in so far as faith and morals are concerned, is subject to the guidance of the Church, and those schools alone, which the Church approves, are capable of providing a fully Catholic education.

Therefore, the church forbids parents and guardians to send a child to any non-Catholic school, whether primary or secondary or continuation or university.

Deliberately to disobey this law is a mortal sin, and they who persist in disobedience are unworthy to receive the Sacraments.

SEND YOUR KIDS TO US TO BE INDOCTRINATED INTO THE FAITH OR YOU'LL BURN IN HELL!

Doc Farrell

I agree with everything except banning dog racing on a Sunday, I especially agree with avoiding communist atheists in Trinity, unless they're racing in skirts. Spot on!

jhegarty

Is no one else more worried that the USSR may have atomic bombs within in the near few years ?

the culture of deference

WOW



Does this bit mean that anyone who declares themselves an atheist, and has read Hitchens or Dawkins MUST be excommunicated from the RCC.



XI. Atheistic Communism,



no matter what fair words may be used to cloak its true meaning, is a blasphemous doctrine and a perverse way of life. It denies God, it hates the Church, it attempts, by every weapon of lying, treachery and persecution, to wipe out the One True Faith of Jesus Christ.



The Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office, in its Decree published on 1st July, 1949, makes clear the position of Catholics in relation to Communism. The Decree rules as follows:—




(1) The Faithful who, knowingly and freely

(a) join Communist Associations or favour them;

(b) publish, disseminate, or read books, periodicals, newspapers, or leaflets supporting the doctrine or activities of Communists;

(c) write in such publications (Canon 1399, Code of Canon Law),

are guilty of mortal sin,

(2) Further, the Faithful, who profess the materialistic and anti-Christian doctrine of Communists —


in particular,



those who defend or propagate such doctrine — incur, by the very fact, as apostates from the Catholic Faith, excommunication specially reserved to the Holy See.

mikhail

Nope, just communists. Members of the ruling party in China would be an example.

Sonics2k

the culture of deference wrote: »

those who defend or propagate such doctrine — incur, by the very fact, as apostates from the Catholic Faith, excommunication specially reserved to the Holy See.

I smell a potential loophole for those who are unable to leave the RCC.

Penn

Sonics2k wrote: »

I smell a potential loophole for those who are unable to leave the RCC.

Nope. Even if you're excommunicated, you're still a Catholic.

Sonics2k

Penn wrote: »

Nope. Even if you're excommunicated, you're still a Catholic.

Hah! Sucks to be you lot!

/never baptised

magicbastarder

kylith wrote: »

Ah feck, I missed that! A friend just posted the pic on facebook, and I found a link in case of copyright.

the fact that it cam from mcquaid should have been a giveaway!

kylith

magicbastarder wrote: »

the fact that it cam from mcquaid should have been a giveaway!

Pfff! What am I? Some sort of RCC fangirl? I dont' know who the movers and shakers are.

Penn

Sonics2k wrote: »

Hah! Sucks to be you lot!

/never baptised

If you die before me, I'm going to get the Mormons to baptise you. Then you'll be a Mormon forever.....

mikhail

kylith wrote: »

Pfff! What am I? Some sort of RCC fangirl? I dont' know who the movers and shakers are.

And I'm not Italian, but I've heard of Julius Caesar.

Sonics2k

Penn wrote: »

If you die before me, I'm going to get the Mormons to baptise you. Then you'll be a Mormon forever.....

Sonofabitch

fisgon

REading some of this stuff reminds me about mortal sin. I was just at latter end of when they were still teaching that stuff, venial sins and mortal ones, it seemed to be an important distinction at the time, though can't quite remember it now.
I think they should bring it back. It would help point out the utter ludicrousness of what they are preaching. Of course the rules haven't changed, Catholics are supposed to believe all this sh1t about sin, but they don't really teach it in primary school anymore, as far as I know.
There is nothing more toxic to Catholicism than people discovering what this church really believes, in all its made-up, rule-obssessed, fantastical nonsense.

amacachi

kylith wrote: »

Ah feck, I missed that! A friend just posted the pic on facebook, and I found a link in case of copyright.

Interesting bit about Trinity. They didn't have much luck stopping people going there, or stopping girls from riding bikes.

The Trinity thing is classic, you must get dispensation, i.e., the well-off were "probably" favoured. It brings up something I'd love to be able to find figures on, since Catholics are more educated up North than Protestants and it seems to be the opposite down here I'd love to see comparative figures for earnings. Would be pretty funny if Catholics were better off than Protestants up North and the opposite here.

As for the bikes thing, wow. I read a book about people who had escaped from North Korea and a girl was saying about how girls are treated if they ride bikes there. I couldn't believe it but hadn't a clue it was the case here, unbelievable.

Galvasean

Penn wrote: »

Nope. Even if you're excommunicated, you're still a Catholic.

You are hereby banned from this institution, you and your children, and your children's children.... for three months.

magicbastarder

kylith wrote: »

Pfff! What am I? Some sort of RCC fangirl? I dont' know who the movers and shakers are.

more than just a mover and shaker in the church, he casts a long shadow over 20th century irish history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Charles_McQuaid

goose2005

amacachi wrote: »

The Trinity thing is classic, you must get dispensation, i.e., the well-off were "probably" favoured.

same with annulments, Ted Kennedy, and Daniel O'Donnell's wife got them pretty easily.

Also the document refers to something called the "Protestant University of Trinity College"; I don't know what that is, there's a University of Dublin, which has as its constituent college Trinity College. Are they talking about Trinity College, Cambridge?

the culture of deference

Penn wrote: »

Nope. Even if you're excommunicated, you're still a Catholic.

So you can murder and rape at will, and they cannot kick you out ... Ever.

Whats the point?

Excommunication can be either latae sententiae (automatic, incurred at the moment of committing the offence for which canon law imposes that penalty); or it can ferendae sententiae (incurred only when imposed by a legitimate superior or declared as the sentence of an ecclesiastical court).[2]


Excommunicated Catholics are still Catholics and remain bound by obligations such as attending Mass, even though they are barred from receiving the Eucharist and from taking an active part in the liturgy (reading, bringing the offerings, etc.).[3]





Before the 1983 Code of Canon Law, there were two degrees of excommunication: the excommunicate was either a vitandus (shunned, literally "to be avoided", by other Catholics), or a toleratus (tolerated, allowing Catholics to continue to have business and social relationships with the excommunicated person). This distinction no longer applies.





I have to say canon law sounds like a right load of rubbish. It makes no appearance until the 13th century, and it lacks the necessary binding force present in most modern day legal systems.

robindch

the culture of deference wrote: »

I have to say canon law sounds like a right load of rubbish [...] it lacks the necessary binding force present in most modern day legal systems.

Michael McDowel, former Minster for Justice, said that Canon Law had the legal standing of the house rules of a golf club.

Seems reasonable to me.

seanpjs93

I've never understood why someone needs to officially "leave" the Catholic faith, if you just write your new (non) beliefs on anything legal or medical I would've thought that's all that is needed, why would you need to tell them you dont follow them anymore? they'd soon leave you alone once they weren't getting any money out of you

kylith

seanpjs93 wrote: »

I've never understood why someone needs to officially "leave" the Catholic faith, if you just write your new (non) beliefs on anything legal or medical I would've thought that's all that is needed, why would you need to tell them you dont follow them anymore? they'd soon leave you alone once they weren't getting any money out of you

The problem is that they count their membership numbers from baptismal records, not active participants. This allows them to claim that, pulling some numbers out of the air for the purpose of illustration, 90% of Ireland are catholic and therefore want Catholic run schools, hospitals, government, etc., when in fact it's more like 30% showing up for mass weekly.

They can claim great numbers because, even though they make a note saying you've asked to leave, they don't have to take your name off the member's list.

looksee

Never mind all this fancy political and repressive stuff. I have just discovered that all the rules and regulations to which I was subjected in preparing 'fast' meals over the years - which generally worked out way more expensive than ordinary meals, due to the need to buy fish - were way overstated by my fasting spouse. You can use lard! Ha! and now I find that we could have stopped all this nonsense aggravation twelve years ago when he turned 60! I have just advised him of the fact.