BMW 2006 320D V 318i

caomhino

I did try, but couldn't find a similar thread on this, only :
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=51829281

Anyway, just on the E90 version, which is the better car to drive. I've seen a few nice 320D and they seem to be coming in around the €12-14k mark. I have driven a 520D a few times and was definitely impressed.

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/3-Series/320-D-M-/4913294134420350/advert?channel=CARS

My average miles p.a. from now on will be about 20k. Looking at the parkers website, the 320D is rated @ 49MPG and the 318i @ 38MPG - i assume both figures will dip over time ?

318i's are coming in about €3-4k cheaper, and i've even seen a couple on donedeal for ~€8.5k but everyone raves about the the acceleration, torque of the diesel. Is that premium really worth it ??

thanks for any advice !

Seweryn

caomhino wrote: »

My average miles p.a. from now on will be about 20k. Looking at the parkers website, the 320D is rated @ 49MPG and the 318i @ 38MPG - i assume both figures will dip over time ?

318i's are coming in about €3-4k cheaper, and i've even seen a couple on donedeal for ~€8.5k but everyone raves about the the acceleration, torque of the diesel. Is that premium really worth it ??

thanks for any advice !

Fuel Economy figures presented by the manufacter are not what I would rely on.
The real life average mpg for 318i is 34mpg and for 320d is 43.3mpg. Now you can adjust these figures by +/- 15% depending on your driving style and conditions, then do a full comparison including all other costs, i.e. depreciation over your period of ownership (planned), tax, insurance, service, etc. Then you know if the Diesel makes sense for you to consider .

bazz26

If doing 20k miles a year then that is diesel territory imo. I have a 08 318d M Sport diesel and love it. I had mine remapped last year from 143bhp to circa 180bhp (torque increased from 300Nm to 350Nm). The difference is noticable especially in the lower gears where it pulls away better than before. I'm getting around 52mpg on average on mixed runs.

That example you posted has the older 320d M47 engine which has 163bhp, very decent performance and acceleration, they are also good on fuel too. That one is a clean looking example with low mileage, an Irish car and is priced to reflect that. Make sure and do a car history/hpi check and verify the service history. Low mileage cars tend to go for long time intervals without a basic oil or filter change because their owners think they don't use the car enough to need a regular oil change.

The things to watch out for on the M47 engine are the inlet manifold swirl flaps can break off and destroy then engine, these can be replaced with blanks for around €100, worth doing imo. Also the turbo breather filter needs to be replaced every second oil service to prevent it from blocking and starving the turbo of oil. There is a modified vortex shaped filter that slows this down but still needs to be changed every second oil service and not that expensive (I think the filter costs around €30 from a BMW dealer).

The other main problem on these cars is the ABS/Traction Control module which is known to throw up errors/warnings on the dashboard. BMW have been contributing goodwill towards these but the price of fixing them has also come down to below €500 afaik. If buying from a dealer and these warnings are on the dashboard then make sure they replace the module before buying it.

dharn

few points i would dispute with you dazz that filter you refer to is 70 euro, also to get 52 mpg from the 320d you would want to drive it like a nun, 06 320d 163 bhp engine ,43mpg average driving is much closer to the mark, unless you drove from say dublin to galway on the motorway at a steady 50 miles per hour then you would get 50 mpg +, but who does that

166man

dharn wrote: »

few points i would dispute with you dazz that filter you refer to is 70 euro, also to get 52 mpg from the 320d you would want to drive it like a nun, 06 320d 163 bhp engine ,43mpg average driving is much closer to the mark, unless you drove from say dublin to galway on the motorway at a steady 50 miles per hour then you would get 50 mpg +, but who does that

It usually helps to read other people's posts before you dispute them. Bazz has a 318d, and over 50mpg in that is easily achievable.

bazz26

dharn wrote: »

few points i would dispute with you dazz that filter you refer to is 70 euro, also to get 52 mpg from the 320d you would want to drive it like a nun, 06 320d 163 bhp engine ,43mpg average driving is much closer to the mark, unless you drove from say dublin to galway on the motorway at a steady 50 miles per hour then you would get 50 mpg +, but who does that

The filter itself is around €30, the filter plus housing is around €60/70. And I am averaging around 52mpg in my 318d according to my trip computer and while I am not a speed freak, I don't drive it like a nun either. These engines are very good of fuel.

166man

166man wrote: »

It usually helps to read other people's posts before you dispute them. Bazz has a 318d, and over 50mpg in that is easily achievable.

are remapped 318s more frugal than 320s ?

caomhino

Cheers for the feedback guys - is it fair to say the 318i will not have the same mid-range acceleration / torque as a 320D ?

Anyway, went over to look at the car this morning - Goneski :-(

bazz26

RoverJames wrote: »

are remapped 318s more frugal than 320s ?

While my car has the newer N47 engine the older M47 engine which the OP is looking at was still an economical engine, 50mpg would not require driving in granny mode with a strong gale behind you. The N47 engine is just a updated version of the M47 too.

Of course if you have a heavy right foot then naturally the laws of physics apply. Fuel economy in my car is around the same as before the remap.

Paddy@CIRL

With that much mileage per year, I think you'd be mad not go diesel. I've a 2006 320D and I absolutely love the car. You don't have to worry about any DPF problems like the later cars (although with that sort of mileage you should be okay anyways) although I would recommend blanking the swirl flaps, purely as a precautionary measure. They are as bulletproof as any diesel cars can be but if you keep them serviced and look after them, it'll look after you in return.

I've managed over 60MPG in mine but that was in full on granny mode. Steady motorway driving should see a return of around 50/55MPG at 100/100KPH and around 40/45MPG at 130KPH. If I'm doing heavy city driving, it can drop to around 35MPG. There's plenty of good cars out there, just be prepared to wait for the right one to come up!

166man

RoverJames wrote: »

are remapped 318s more frugal than 320s ?

I didn't say that, but I doubt it's much worse than the 320d being a newer engine. In my experience remapping doesn't affect the MPG in a bad way.

Professey Chin

Paddy@CIRL wrote: »

With that much mileage per year, I think you'd be mad not go diesel. I've a 2006 320D and I absolutely love the car. You don't have to worry about any DPF problems like the later cars (although with that sort of mileage you should be okay anyways) although I would recommend blanking the swirl flaps, purely as a precautionary measure. They are as bulletproof as any diesel cars can be but if you keep them serviced and look after them, it'll look after you in return.

I've managed over 60MPG in mine but that was in full on granny mode. Steady motorway driving should see a return of around 50/55MPG at 100/100KPH and around 40/45MPG at 130KPH. If I'm doing heavy city driving, it can drop to around 35MPG. There's plenty of good cars out there, just be prepared to wait for the right one to come up!

Just on this, anyway to check if its already done? And if not any recommendations on where to get it done?

166man

166man wrote: »

It usually helps to read other people's posts before you dispute them. Bazz has a 318d, and over 50mpg in that is easily achievable.

166man wrote: »

I didn't say that, but I doubt it's much worse than the 320d being a newer engine. In my experience remapping doesn't affect the MPG in a bad way.

You might not have said it but it was certainly implied imo.

166man

RoverJames wrote: »

You might not have said it but it was certainly implied imo.

I would assume that a 2008 318d would be more frugal than a 2006 320d.:)

Idbatterim

how long do you plan to keep the car for op? and is this 20k miles p.a a permanent thing?

Idbatterim

op would you consider a 1 series, for your budget you could get an 08 one, i.e low tax, also fuel economy would be better than the 3 series. also easier to sell and less depreciation when you do go to sell... got these figures from autotarder.co.uk

stats for 2008 120d
Overview Vehicle Summary Performance & Economy Dimensions Interior/Exterior Safety
Fuel consumption (urban) 46.3 mpg
Fuel consumption (extra urban) 68.9 mpg
Fuel consumption (combined) 58.9 mpg
0 - 62 mph 7.6 seconds
Top speed 142 mph
Cylinders 4
Valves 16 v
Engine power 177 bhp
Engine torque 258 lbs/ft

with remap 215bhp and 302 foot pound of torque!!!

http://www.dmsautomotive.com/models.asp?upid=1

Paddy@CIRL

The Great Chinholio wrote: »

Just on this, anyway to check if its already done? And if not any recommendations on where to get it done?

Only way is visual inspection, which requires the inlet manifold to come off. You might as well have the blanking plates ready at that rate as it takes longer to get at them than it does to change them. Also, there are two sizes of blanking plates, mine was the smaller (26mm AFAIR) but others can be the 32mm ones.

caomhino

Idbatterim wrote: »

how long do you plan to keep the car for op? and is this 20k miles p.a a permanent thing?

Well given i've my current "98 A4" for 6 years, I think i'll be sweating it out whatever i buy, so at least 4-5 years if all goes well.I was getting the train to work till i moved jobs, so looking for something a bit more comfortable and fun to drive. Well given where i'm working now, unless it goes pearshaped :-), yeah, i'd see the 20k as a permament thing.

Hadn't really considered the one series, those figures are impressive thanks, but usually my boot is full of sports gear so it might be tight on space ....

bazz26

Most 1 Series have terrible spec and they are very cramped in the inside and the boot is small.

heate

A 123d would be fairly tempting as uk ones would have some level of spec vs. a 118d. But they are not cheap!