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Christ our Saviour

  • 02-03-2012 1:55am
    #1
    Pwpane
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    Something I've never really understood.

    What did Jesus do for us by dying on the cross?

    I've been told He saved us from the power of original sin. But I was also taught that one of the effects of original sin is death. Obviously we still die, unless it means that we have eternal life after we die. But Our Lady is known as the Immaculate Conception, which is where the doctrine of her assumption into Heaven came from - she didn't die because she had no stain on her soul and went bodily to Heaven.

    We were also taught that He saved us from Hell. Is it spiritual death he saved us from? Then who are the 'us', since many people still sin in a way well deserving of Hell? And even good people are asked to do penance and repent as if they are saved by their own efforts and not His.

    Not sure how to put what I'm asking here, just that it never made sense to me while growing up. I could never pinpoint what He had achieved by dying on the cross.

    Maybe it was put to me in a fragmented way, or maybe I never got an adult's understanding of it all.

    I was told that if there was no Resurrection that there would be no point to Christianity, that it wouldn't exist. But I was never told that the reason for His death was in order that the Resurrection could happen.

    It was always that Jesus died to save the world from Sin and Death. But He doesn't seem to have done that?

    Serious question. Someone help me here!


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    dead one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭dead one


    Pwpane wrote: »
    Serious question. Someone help me here!
    HI Pwpane... Jesus Christ is our lord and savior... In the name of Jesus Christ
    I am very very serious person.
    It means simple, Do Sins in all yourlife, Kill the honest/brave/scientist in the name of Christ. He will save you.


  • #3
    guitarzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭guitarzero


    dead one wrote: »
    HI Pwpane... Jesus Christ is our lord and savior... In the name of Jesus Christ
    I am very very serious person.
    It means simple, Do Sins in all yourlife, Kill the honest/brave/scientist in the name of Christ. He will save you.

    Wow. Well, there you have it. Probably let that sink in a while.


  • #4
    dead one
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭dead one


    guitarzero wrote: »
    Wow. Well, there you have it. Probably let that sink in a while.
    I know Christ will save me from moderator


  • #5
    philologos
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    OP: Jesus didn't just die for original sin. Jesus stood in our place, the righteous for the unrighteous:
    1 Peter 3:18 wrote:
    For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,

    All sins. No mention of original sin. Anyone who teaches that Jesus only died for original sin is teaching something contrary to the Gospel.

    Simply put. God created the world and was a loving ruler over it. He gave us standards to follow. We rejected them and turned our backs on Him. In rebelling against Him, and disobeying His standards, we deserve the right punishment and judgement for disobedience. God in His mercy sent His Son Jesus into the world to take the punishment that we all deserved on our behalf. God through Jesus' death and resurrection, offered us a chance of forgiveness because Jesus paid the penalty that we should have on the cross. If we accept this, we will spend eternity with Him. If we reject this, unfortunately we must take the rightful wrath of God upon ourselves and be condemned for eternity in hell.

    Jesus conquered evil and death, so that we might find new life in Him, and that we might begin a new relationship with God - to glorify Him in every single thing that we do from our personal lives, to work, to our relationships our families, and so on.

    Send me a PM if you are interested in finding out more about the Bible I'll be glad to help. This is also understandably brief, so leave a post and I'll try to get back to it.


  • #6
    PDN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    I can see this thread descending quickly into a Protestant/Catholic squabble. It appears to me that Pwpane's questions pertain to problems he has with Roman Catholic doctrines rather than with Christianity as a whole.

    Now, as I see it we can handle this one of two ways:

    a) We can tag it as a thread concerning RC doctrine only, in which non-Catholics can refrain from airing their views.

    b) We open it up for discussion from a more general Christian perspective, in which we deal specifically with the OP's questions.

    If the OP sends me a PM then I can reopen the thread with instructions and guidelines according to which they want, but at present I'm locking it. The last thing we need is yet another thread where Protestants and Catholics argue over immaculate conception and original sin, then someone accuse the Catholics of ignoring the Bible, then we hear about canon law and magesterium and 33,000 denominations etc. yadda yadda ya.


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