"For mobile users..."

Ficheall

Just in reference to brief conversation in this thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056564278

El Pistolero wrote: »

There should be a ban on not quoting the article in a link.

El Pistolero wrote: »

Because you created the thread and there are hundreds of people who view Boards on their mobiles. Some sites don't have mobile versions, and it can be a pain in the hole to try and read something not made for mobile.

As a pc user, should a poster care if someone is unable to use their telephone to view a website they've linked to?
I generally quote any articles I link to, for ease of reading and because many people are understandably reluctant to open some links. But I don't think people who are using their telephone to browse the internet need to take umbrage when a poster doesn't go out of their way to cater for them...

Jesus Wept

I don't post them for mobile users. I post them because it saves hundreds of people from clicking through on links when one person can save all of them the bother by posting the content in thread which makes more sense.

Mobile users should get down off their high horse.

SheFiend

+1 to the above. It's just good manners to copy and paste the main subject matter from the article, saves everyone having to click and browse the whole thing when it may not interest them.

Joe10000

Since the beginning of forums such as this it has always been good practice for the OP to quote the article and post the link.

There is an added reason now with mobile users but this is slowly disappearing as there are fewer and fewer non mobile compatible sites left.

biko

It's the done thing and pretty much standard policy in this forum. Not only does it help mobile/tablet users but also the people reading on their laptops/PCs. Everything they need to know is in the one place, the OP.

When someone just puts in a link and goes "so what do you all think?" it pisses people off.

pickarooney

I don't understand why mobile users can't follow links the same as everyone else. Clue me in.

Micky Dolenz

Not everyone has smart phones and it's always easier just to read text then it is to open a different site.

Joe10000

pickarooney wrote: »

I don't understand why mobile users can't follow links the same as everyone else. Clue me in.

It doesn't matter what device you are using, if you are on this page why use bandwidth going to another one when it's not necessary, possibly by x1000 times.

westendgirlie

What if.... The OP is using a mobile phone and cannot link?

biko

Not every OP in AH needs a link but if you're referring to a story in a paper or such it's good praxis to add the relevant part of the story to the OP.
It shouldn't be a wall of text, just the relevant paragraph is good.
And a link, to show source and for whoever wants to read more.

pickarooney

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Not everyone has smart phones and it's always easier just to read text then it is to open a different site.

How can you browse boards on a non-smart phone? People are talking about tablets as well - links are not an issue on tablets.

Micky Dolenz

pickarooney wrote: »

How can you browse boards on a non-smart phone? People are talking about tablets as well - links are not an issue on tablets.

Boards mobile.

biko

I'm so old school I use wap to browse boards

ectoraige

biko wrote: »

It's the done thing and pretty much standard policy in this forum. Not only does it help mobile/tablet users but also the people reading on their laptops/PCs. Everything they need to know is in the one place, the OP.

When someone just puts in a link and goes "so what do you all think?" it pisses people off.

Of course, copying the entire article is pretty disrespectful of the copyright, I'd have thought a happy medium would be copying the opening paragraph and letting the reader decide if he wants the full article.

The bigger problem is that somebody was reading the Daily Mail.

Seachmall

ectoraige wrote: »

Of course, copying the entire article is pretty disrespectful of the copyright,

Fair use rights allow copying of the entire article along with attribution.

Chuck Stone

ectoraige wrote: »

Of course, copying the entire article is pretty disrespectful of the copyright

Fair use rights allow copying of the entire article along with attribution. ©

ectoraige

Seachmall wrote: »

Fair use rights allow copying of the entire article along with attribution.

Has it actually been established in a court, or is it wishful thinking?
As far as I understood it fair use allowed for selective quoting, not for blanket reproduction of the original material.

Dravokivich

Because most of the time when someone just links or makes mention of an article without copying relevant parts the body from the article it's like the below:

Ficheall wrote: »

Just in reference to brief conversation in this thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056564278

And most of us couldn't be arsed looking through an article on another site to figure out what point is being made to discuss. Or maybe that's just me...

If someone wants to discuss something, I'd be of the opinion that they should present it to be discussed.

Seachmall

ectoraige wrote: »

Has it actually been established in a court, or is it wishful thinking?
As far as I understood it fair use allowed for selective quoting, not for blanket reproduction of the original material.

As quoting the article is not an attempt to compete with the original published article but instead to create discussion on it, and it's attributed to the original author, it falls under fair use.

I'm not sure if it's ever been taken to court so I'm not sure if a precedent has been set but that would be the de facto interpretation of it (think of the 1000s of blogs and forums that do it every day).

ectoraige

Dravokivich wrote: »

If someone wants to discuss something, I'd be of the opinion that they should present it to be discussed.

If a friend starts telling you about something they saw in the paper do you insist that they read it all out to you?

Seachmall wrote: »

As quoting the article is not an attempt to compete with the original published article but instead to create discussion on it, and it's attributed to the original author, it falls under fair use.

I'm not sure if it's ever been taken to court so I'm not sure if a precedent has been set but that would be the de facto interpretation of it (think of the 1000s of blogs and forums that do it every day).

The only problem with that is I don't believe Fair Use exists in Irish copyright law, it's US law. Next you'll be telling we have the right to bear arms under the second amendment.

Seachmall

ectoraige wrote: »

The only problem with that is I don't believe Fair Use exists in Irish copyright law, it's US law. Next you'll be telling we have the right to bear arms under the second amendment.

The concept of Fair Use falls under EU Copyright Law.

Dravokivich

ectoraige wrote: »

If a friend starts telling you about something they saw in the paper do you insist that they read it all out to you?

Erm... no, but for that hypothetical situation to be on par with this instance, my friend would have to throw the newspaper into my face and say "Oh there's something interesting / fúcked up here."

Without advising what they found interesting / fúcked up or even why.

El Weirdo

ectoraige wrote: »

If a friend starts telling you about something they saw in the paper do you insist that they read it all out to you?

No, but I'd expect them to at least give me the general gist of the article instead of walking up to me, quoting a headline and saying "discuss".

ectoraige

Dravokivich wrote: »

Erm... no, but for that hypothetical situation to be on par with this instance, my friend would have to throw the newspaper into my face and say "Oh there's something interesting / fúcked up here."

Without advising what they found interesting / fúcked up or even why.

El Weirdo wrote: »

No, but I'd expect them to at least give me the general gist of the article instead of walking up to me, quoting a headline and saying "discuss".

As I said, the reasonable compromise would be to quote the opening paragraph on the article, or enough to give the general gist of the article.

There's nothing worse that the "This is hilarious" link that should have in fact read "This is stupid, banal, and will be the worst use of your time today should you click on it".

Seachmall wrote: »

The concept of Fair Use falls under EU Copyright Law.

My understanding is that EU law allows countries to grant quotation rights, but that it's up to each country to interpret it. I didn't think quotation rights here allowed for wholesale copying, can you point to the relevant legislation (or quote it here if you want.... )

Seachmall

ectoraige wrote: »

My understanding is that EU law allows countries to grant quotation rights, but that it's up to each country to interpret it. I didn't think quotation rights here allowed for wholesale copying, can you point to the relevant legislation (or quote it here if you want.... )

I'm not going to go parsing through thousands of lines of legal wording to find an exact quote.

You can disregard it if you want but I think the fact that the practice exists and there are no known cases or precedents set speaks for itself.

pickarooney

OP should paraphrase the entire article (à la starbelgrade)

hondasam

Should everyone who posts a link in the thread copy and paste or is it just the op?

Seachmall

hondasam wrote: »

Should everyone who posts a link in the thread copy and paste or is it just the op?

Well the OP's link is fundamental to the entire thread where other links tend to be only relevant to that poster's point (which isn't fundamental to the thread).

So just the OP I'd say.

Since the SOPA supposedly came into effect over here, if a user posts an article without linking to it, would they technically be in breach of the new law?