Ferrari F12 Berlinetta

PrettyBoy

My new lotto car, the replacement for the 599.





6.3 V12, 740 BHP. Wonder what the VRT will be like :pac:

smash

The 599 is better looking in my opinion.

mailforkev

I don't know what to make of that, it's a bit generic, doesn't really look like a Ferrari at all.
The back looks a bit iffy too.

Mind you, if you can afford one and like it then knock yourself out.

david

You'd think at that price they'd give keyless entry/disguise those key holes a bit better. That arse looks like someone's given it a wedgie

Max Power1

Looks like a cross between an Aston and an SLK imo

ShadowHearth

To be honest... It is very plain and boring looking. Wasn't super cars - "in your face!!!!!!!! Type cars"

no1beemerfan

Side profile is like a z3/z4 and the back is ugly. Doesn't look like a ferrari to me.

smash

ShadowHearth wrote: »

To be honest... It is very plain and boring looking. Wasn't super cars - "in your face!!!!!!!! Type cars"

Not really. Hypercars are in your face type cars!

In saying that, with ti's performance figures, it should be a hypercar.

Max Power1

no1beemerfan wrote: »

Side profile is like a z3/z4 and the back is ugly. Doesn't look like a ferrari to me.

+1
Thats the other one that I couldnt think of.

Marty McFly

Think the front end is beautiful but the back end is a bit on the nasty side.

Tea 1000

It's gone back to more of a 550/575 Maranello look about it, which I don't like. The 599 is incredible looking.

gizabeer

Thats cack looking

smash

At least it's better than the FF

djimi

The back is hideous looking...

gb153

Looks like the design was inspired by the Corvette. Not bad looking but not very original.

bijapos

Could do a lot better, far too much going on at the side and the back IMO. Some parts of it look like it was done by a Korean supercar designer.

The back looks especially bad, but I guess its one of those cars you have to see in the flesh.

The front is very nice as is the curve over the rear arches, but overall its too messy.

Curly Watts

PrettyBoy wrote: »

6.3 V12, 740 BHP. Wonder what the VRT will be like :pac:

And tax :pac:

Leonard Hofstadter

It's naturally aspirated, and revs to 8,700 rpm, can you imagine what this thing sounds like at those engine speeds:D?

One of the most pointless cars in the world right now, but it's reassuring to know that cars like this still exist all the same and it doesn't make me want one any less:)!

lomb

bijapos wrote: »

Could do a lot better, far too much going on at the side and the back IMO. Some parts of it look like it was done by a Korean supercar designer.

The back looks especially bad, but I guess its one of those cars you have to see in the flesh.

The front is very nice as is the curve over the rear arches, but overall its too messy.

Agreed too plasticky. What a waste of what could have been a nice car.

PrettyBoy

Haha I think some you will have a sudden change of heart when you see it/hear it in person, seriously don't know how anyone could say that this is a bad looking car and how it doesn't look like a Ferrari??

Dartz

It has a face like a rapist.

****ing ugly thing.

458 is better.

PrettyBoy

Dartz wrote: »

458 is better.

458 is better than everything, nothing else comes close. If you compare it to every new sports car you're bound to be dissappointed.

smash

PrettyBoy wrote: »

458 is better than everything, nothing else comes close. If you compare it to every new sports car you're bound to be dissappointed.

Aventador wins!

PrettyBoy

smash wrote: »

Aventador wins!

Wins what? It was slated by the press, it's not as good looking as the 458 and it's slower and less powerful than the F12..Aventador will never win anything, doesn't even have proper Lambo doors :rolleyes:

PrettyBoy

The configurater that lets you customise the car in different colors, etc is up on the Ferrari website

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uQXYpKvUuk

Tea 1000

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Wins what? It was slated by the press, it's not as good looking as the 458 and it's slower and less powerful than the F12..Aventador will never win anything, doesn't even have proper Lambo doors :rolleyes:

Slated by the press in which universe? It got glowing reviews, it's a fantastic car. The only criticism that it got is that it's not likely to kill you like V12 Lambo's of old. I for one wouldn't hold that against it. It's quickest car around the Top Gear track, Autocar love it. Proper Lambo doors? Who gives a crap!
Criticising a car cause it's slower and less powerful than what could be the fastest car Autocar ever tested apart from the Bugatti is just silly!

tfitzgerald

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Haha I think some you will have a sudden change of heart when you see it/hear it in person, seriously don't know how anyone could say that this is a bad looking car and how it doesn't look like a Ferrari??

I agree with prettyboy in this one . I think tha car is sex on wheels . I can't under stand how somebody can say it's not nice

smash

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Wins what? It was slated by the press

No it wasn't.

PrettyBoy wrote: »

it's not as good looking as the 458

That's a matter of opinion. I think it's better looking.

PrettyBoy wrote: »

and it's slower and less powerful than the F12..

But you were talking about the 458, not the F12.

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Aventador will never win anything, doesn't even have proper Lambo doors :rolleyes:

Well it beats the hell out of most Ferraris, I'd say that's a win. And what have the doors got to do with it? If you're talking about looks, the FF looks like a bread van, the California is crap looking and the F12 is over done.

PrettyBoy

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Slated by the press in which universe? It got glowing reviews, it's a fantastic car. The only criticism that it got is that it's not likely to kill you like V12 Lambo's of old. I for one wouldn't hold that against it. It's quickest car around the Top Gear track, Autocar love it. Proper Lambo doors? Who gives a crap!
Criticising a car cause it's slower and less powerful than what could be the fastest car Autocar ever tested apart from the Bugatti is just silly!

LOL you watch too much Top Gear mate, I wouldn't form an opinion of a car based what Jeremy Clarkson or Richard Hammond says about it.

smash wrote: »

No it wasn't.

You need to read up mate because the car was slated in the press as hugely disappointing - handling, ride quality and the awful gearbox were the main points they focused on. Show me a review that says the gearbox is actually good.

That's a matter of opinion. I think it's better looking.

Murcielago with a bad Japanese bodykit was my first impression but that's a matter of opinion! And what's a Lambo without Lambo doors??

Well it beats the hell out of most Ferraris, I'd say that's a win. And what have the doors got to do with it? If you're talking about looks, the FF looks like a bread van, the California is crap looking and the F12 is over done.

You're saying the F12 is over done while defending the Lambo Aventador, i've heard it all now :rolleyes: FF is a shooting brake, that's the design. You think it looks like a bread van and that's why you'll never be a designer. Not pushed on the Cali myself, it's not a car I have any interest in, looks or performance wise. Wait til u see the F12 in person, same story with the 599, everyone hated the press pictures but loved it in person, performance figures speak for themselves. 458, without a doubt the best sports car that money can buy at the moment, easily one of the best cars Ferrari has ever produced to be fair and really don't think anyone would be able to disagree with that. Would you?

smash

PrettyBoy wrote: »

You need to read up mate because the car was slated in the press as hugely disappointing - handling, ride quality and the awful gearbox were the main points they focused on. Show me a review that says the gearbox is actually good.

Have a read of owner reviews on PH and other forums. They don't seem to care too much about the gear change because it's supposed to be that quick to change. I don't recall any handling issues with the car either, and on track it has always received glowing reviews.

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Murcielago with a bad Japanese bodykit was my first impression but that's a matter of opinion! And what's a Lambo without Lambo doors??

Well the Gallardo doesn't have them, and the SL would wipe out most Ferrari's too.

PrettyBoy wrote: »

You're saying the F12 is over done while defending the Lambo Aventador, i've heard it all now :rolleyes:

Lamborghini always had consistent cutting designs, the F12 looks like the designer changed his mind half way through development.

PrettyBoy wrote: »

FF is a shooting brake, that's the design. You think it looks like a bread van and that's why you'll never be a designer.

It does look like a breadvan, Same as the 250gt. It's design has been slated.

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Wait til u see the F12 in person, same story with the 599, everyone hated the press pictures but loved it in person, performance figures speak for themselves.

The 599 has always looked good.

PrettyBoy wrote: »

458, without a doubt the best sports car that money can buy at the moment

There's plenty of better cars out there. Then again it depends how much money you have to spend. Still, even for it's price bracket I'd buy a 570SL instead.

PrettyBoy wrote: »

easily one of the best cars Ferrari has ever produced to be fair and really don't think anyone would be able to disagree with that. Would you?

Being one of the best cars they've produced really doesn't mean it's the best car out there at the moment.

Anyway, Ferrari vs Lambo debates are pointless. Fans always defend their corner.

Tea 1000

PrettyBoy wrote: »

LOL you watch too much Top Gear mate, I wouldn't form an opinion of a car based what Jeremy Clarkson or Richard Hammond says about it.

I'm not your mate. I didn't form an opinion based on Jeremy or Richard. Richard didn't even like it, so I'm not sure where you got that notion.

PrettyBoy wrote: »

You need to read up mate because the car was slated in the press as hugely disappointing - handling, ride quality and the awful gearbox were the main points they focused on. Show me a review that says the gearbox is actually good.

It got massively praised for it's handling, it wasn't hugely disappointing, and the gearbox isn't awful. The gearbox is fine, but just outclassed by the latest offerings from others. That doesn't render it awful.

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Murcielago with a bad Japanese bodykit was my first impression but that's a matter of opinion! And what's a Lambo without Lambo doors??


You're saying the F12 is over done while defending the Lambo Aventador, i've heard it all now :rolleyes: FF is a shooting brake, that's the design. You think it looks like a bread van and that's why you'll never be a designer. Not pushed on the Cali myself, it's not a car I have any interest in, looks or performance wise. Wait til u see the F12 in person, same story with the 599, everyone hated the press pictures but loved it in person, performance figures speak for themselves. 458, without a doubt the best sports car that money can buy at the moment, easily one of the best cars Ferrari has ever produced to be fair and really don't think anyone would be able to disagree with that. Would you?

I loved the 599 in pictures, and I loved it in reality then when I saw it. I don't love this, I think it's too much of a harp back to the 550, which dated very quickly. I may like it in the metal, but I can't see myself loving it.

Tea 1000

smash wrote: »

There's plenty of better cars out there. Then again it depends how much money you have to spend. Still, even for it's price bracket I'd buy a 570SL instead.

I'd disagree here, by all accounts the 458 is fantastic. It is beaten also by the McLaren MP4-12C according to most reviewers, but I don't like the McLaren. Too clinical.

PrettyBoy

smash wrote: »

Anyway, Ferrari vs Lambo debates are pointless. Fans always defend their corner.

Quick review of your post history in this forum confirms that you are indeed a Lambo fan boy, no?

Name a car that's been more universally praised and well received that the 458. The McLaren, a car designed solely to beat the 458, ultimately failed according to the vast majority of motoring journalists. Look at the comparison tests from Evo, Car, Top Gear, Fifth Gear - every single one of them said they preferred the 458.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahsIOVx93zs

The 458 is is a different league to the gallardo SL, what a stupid comparison. the last generation 430 scuderia would be more appropriate and every motoring journalist would agree that the 430 is the better of the two. I don't expect you to agree, despite the fact that you haven't driven either you'll always take the Lambo because you're a fan boy. I don't like the california or the FF - I'd actually take a new Bentley or Porsche equivalent over either of them. The 458 and F12 are just at the top of their game though, really looking forward to comparison tests of the F12 and Aventador.

Tea 1000 wrote:

I'm not your mate

Alright pal relax!

smash

[QUOTE=PrettyBoy;77370602Name a car that's been more universally praised and well received that the 458.[/QUOTE]
Before or after the news broke that they had major issues with spontaneous combustion?

PrettyBoy wrote: »

The 458 is is a different league to the gallardo SL, what a stupid comparison.

I didn't compare. I said I'd buy one instead. And a 570AL, not a regular SL.

PrettyBoy wrote: »

I don't expect you to agree, despite the fact that you haven't driven either you'll always take the Lambo because you're a fan boy.

I've been in plenty of exotics, so don't presume anything.

PrettyBoy

smash wrote: »

I've been in plenty of exotics, so don't presume anything.

Have you driven a 458 and/or 570sl, yes or no?

smash

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Have you driven a 458 and/or 570sl, yes or no?

you have a pretty shítty attitude towards other peoples views/opinions you know that. And all because I'd rather a Lambo over a Ferrari. Pretty sad really. Anyway, have I driven them, no. But I've been in their predecessors in various forms and I've been close enough to both the 458 and 570SL both at a stand still and to see them opened up full throttle to know what I'd want.

Horses for Courses and all that... But I'd still rather the bull.

Mr.David

The 458 pisses all over the Gallardo. It really is miles ahead. The Gallardo lacks the character and involvement, its inert and bland by comparison.

And yes I have driven them.

Cannot compare to the MP4 12C though, although others that drove said it was immensely capable, but the 458 still the car you would choose every time.

muckwarrior

PrettyBoy, did you personally design the Ferrari or something? If not I don't know why the hell you're taking someone expressing their opinion so personally!

smash

Mr.David wrote: »

The 458 pisses all over the Gallardo.

A 570SL or a Gallardo? Because the SL is actually marginally faster than the 458 on paper. Apart from that, the reason I'd chose one over a 458 is because in my opinion it looks better, it's more raw and without a doubt it sounds better.

PrettyBoy

smash wrote: »

you have a pretty shítty attitude towards other peoples views/opinions you know that.

Haha don't get upset over it, I just had a look at your posts in this forum and called you out over being a fan boy. Whatever about looks and personal preference, but your arguments in this thread and general attitude are pretty ridiculous.

smash

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Whatever about looks and personal preference, but your arguments in this thread and general attitude are pretty ridiculous.

Go on, explain...

Mr.David

smash wrote: »

A 570SL or a Gallardo? Because the SL is actually marginally faster than the 458 on paper. Apart from that, the reason I'd chose one over a 458 is because in my opinion it looks better, it's more raw and without a doubt it sounds better.

It was a Gallardo not a 570SL, I think you would need to compare the SL to a scuderia version of a Ferrari to compare like with like?

Its not about speed, it's about the driving experience. The Gallardo just feels like a very quick Audi. There I said it. Sue me

PrettyBoy

muckwarrior wrote: »

PrettyBoy, did you personally design the Ferrari or something? If not I don't know why the hell you're taking someone expressing their opinion so personally!

Sorry to say I didn't design it, just saw an opportunity for a debate and went with it :pac:

PrettyBoy

smash wrote: »

Go on, explain...

Look at your post history, you are a lambo fan boy. Any time a Ferrari is mentioned you jump in and say something like "should have got a lambo", "id take the lambo", "the lambo is better", "the lambo is better looking", etc etc

It's just a stupid attitude, like a broken record. if i looked at your post history earlier i probably wouldnt have bothered responding to your first comment, nothing more pointless than trying to have a discussion with a fan boy.

smash

Mr.David wrote: »

It was a Gallardo not a 570SL, I think you would need to compare the SL to a scuderia version of a Ferrari to compare like with like?

I may be wrong, but I think performance wise it did beat the Scud.

Mr.David wrote: »

Its not about speed, it's about the driving experience. The Gallardo just feels like a very quick Audi. There I said it. Sue me

There's a big difference between the models, and the "base" models aren't great.

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Sorry to say I didn't design it, just saw an opportunity for a debate and went with it :pac:

Your debate started with "458 is better than everything, nothing else comes close." Which I objected to that, as other did too and your retort was "doesn't even have proper Lambo doors"... And apparently my "arguments in this thread and general attitude are pretty ridiculous". What are you, 15?

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Look at your post history, you are a lambo fan boy. Any time a Ferrari is mentioned you jump in and say something like "should have got a lambo", "id take the lambo", "the lambo is better", "the lambo is better looking", etc etc

Most of it is said in jest, or is humour lost on you? I am a Lamborghini fan, that doesn't mean I have no opinion though. There are plenty of Great Ferraris out there. Even my first post in this thread was to say the 599 was a better looking car. Which I think it is.

PrettyBoy wrote: »

It's just a stupid attitude, like a broken record. if i looked at your post history earlier i probably wouldnt have bothered responding to your first comment, nothing more pointless than trying to have a discussion with a fan boy.

You fit right in there as a Ferrari fan boy you know.

PrettyBoy

smash wrote: »

your retort was "doesn't even have proper Lambo doors"... And apparently my "arguments in this thread and general attitude are pretty ridiculous". What are you, 15?

Just had to get it in there, Lambo fan boys hate being reminded of it :pac:

I'll leave it at this now unless there's something more that needs to be said?

smash

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Just had to get it in there, Lambo fan boys hate being reminded of it :pac:

What a stupid statement. The Gallardo didn't have them, a lot of the current lambo interior comes from re-hashed Audi parts, the Diablo used headlights from a 300zx... Doesn't mean they're less of a Lamborghini!

And you threw it in there as part of your case as to why the 458 is better than the Aventador... For some unknown reason.

PrettyBoy

smash wrote: »

And you threw it in there as part of your case as to why the 458 is better than the Aventador... For some unknown reason.

Doesn't really matter what I say, any reputable motoring journalist will tell you themselves. I just always liked Lambo doors, really a shame they're not on any of the current models.

As for the Audi parts in current Lambos, yes they make the car more practical, but I don't think anyone likes them tbh. Do you know anyone that likes all the Audi parts in Lambos?

smash

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Doesn't really matter what I say, any reputable motoring journalist will tell you themselves.

Ok, go back and read here again http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77365991&postcount=26

PrettyBoy wrote: »

As for the Audi parts in current Lambos, yes they make the car more practical, but I don't think anyone likes them tbh. Do you know anyone that likes all the Audi parts in Lambos?

I know 2 Gallardo owners who are very happy with their cars, and Gallardo/Murcielgo owners on PH/Lambotalk don't seem to give a damn about a few Audi switches or an Audi Satnav.

PrettyBoy

smash wrote: »

You fit right in there as a Ferrari fan boy you know.

Based on what? My comments in this thread?

I wouldn't consider myself a Ferrari fan boy by any means. Hate the california and 612, never warmed up to the 599, i think the 430 is an awkward looking thing and the 550/575 is just too much of an old mans car imo. Love more or less everything about the 458 though, definitely a favorite. The new F12 looks good too imo and performance numbers are very impressive. Didnt really like the FF at the start but didnt hate it either, it looks better in real life pictures than in showrooms/press pics etc. I like the way its different but not totally sold on it tbh, want to see one in person and see what i think then. As of now though Id probably take the new Bentley GT over one.

So Ferrari bit hit and miss for me tbh. Same with Lambo, loved the original Gallardo, much more than the 430. The 560 facelift didnt look as good imo. Loved all of the Murci's (640 in particular) but havent warmed up to the Aventador yet, I think it looks alright but its not much of a change to be fair. I like seeing changes as opposed to the same basic design with a few different cues.

To sum up, wouldnt consider myself a hug fan of either but the 458 and F12 are definitely at the top of my list.

Tea 1000

At the end of the day, the V12 Lambo's aren't really in direct competition to the V8 Ferrari's. The Gallardo would be the direct competitor really, and that's just outdated now. It's replacement might be as good, but to be fair, the 458 raises the bar. And there's no point in denying the McLaren is not as good, in some ways it's actually better than the 458, suspension particularly, but I don't think anyone should be surprised to find themselves preferring the 458. It's like the Golf versus the Gulietta. OK, technically the Golf might be the better all rounder, but who gives a crap when you have character and style and soul like the Alfa.
On another note, fanboyism is silly by and large.
On a third note, the Aventador is an absolutely fantastic car. Anyone who says otherwise is rather silly. You're entitled not to like it, you're entitled to compare it to the 458 even if they're not directly comparible, and the 458 pound-for-pound might be better, but that doesn't take from the Aventador. My lotto money is going on one. And I haven't said that about any Lambo since the Murc 670SV... :P
The 458 is savage though. I'll wait and see about the F12.