Catholic Bigots

usamaoreilly

The catholic church make me want to vomit..My little grandson wants to make his communion and they have refused him baptisim..Why? Because his parents are not catholics and dont attend mass...They know this because we were honsest with them..My other grandchildren and my own children all made their communion and have never stepped inside the church door since..With people leaving the church in droves I think they should take anyone who is willing to join up with them...If Jesus Christ was alive today and he met my lovely gentle little grandson he would make his wish and baptise him on the spot...This is what Jesus was about ,not a man in a black suit who is anything but christian..

mcmoustache

I'm no friend of the Catholic Church but I don't see why those who don't practice the faith should be allowed to pick and choose which rites that they wish to partake in.

The Catholic Church has its own membership rules. If you can't follow them, pick another religion. The Roman Church is under no moral or legal obligation to serve you.

It would be the same if I decided to join a credit union and only wanted to partake in borrowing.

Again, I wish to point out that I have no time for the Roman church but they are in the right here as far as I can see.

mcmoustache

Also, I fail to see any bigotry here. I have a feeling that this thread will be locked but if you edit your title a little, the mods* might keep it open. I think that an interesting discussion could be had here.

* If the mods choose to lock the thread, I can assure you that it's not out of devotion to the Roman church.

usamaoreilly

mcmoustache wrote: »

I'm no friend of the Catholic Church but I don't see why those who don't practice the faith should be allowed to pick and choose which rites that they wish to partake in.

The Catholic Church has its own membership rules. If you can't follow them, pick another religion. The Roman Church is under no moral or legal obligation to serve you.

It would be the same if I decided to join a credit union and only wanted to partake in borrowing.

Again, I wish to point out that I have no time for the Roman church but they are in the right here as far as I can see.

Look its not me who wants to join them its my grandson!...If I wanted to join the credit union my whole family dont have to be members for me to become a member..I have my own religion,and anybody on this planet man woman or child can join of their own accord with no exceptions...This is what religion should be about..ps cant edit heading,probably is a little OTT now that you mention it...

GarIT

Maybe when he is an adult and old enough to really make the decisions for himself the church will probably let him then. If his parents aren't Catholic I think they should consider weather allowing a child to make such a big decision that could have such a massive (positive or negative) impact on his life alone and at such a young age is the right thing to do.

Doc Farrell

If his parents aren't Catholics why do they want the child to become one? No one can stop him from joining as an adult?

leeroybrown

I have many many issues with the Catholic church but in this case they appear to be acting quite reasonably. I don't think that a child of holy communion age (or even the normal confirmation age) should be able to make the decision to make what the Catholic church view as a life long commitment. That said, I have issues with the Catholic church indoctrinating those who are still too young to make a decision for themselves purely because their parents are Catholic, so I also think it's a tad hypocritical of them.

He's almost certainly only making the choice due to the peer pressure of everyone else making their communion. I know of quite a few cases where drama has ensued around communion time when children are excluded from what they view as "normal" among their peer group.

Plowman

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RichieC

woops though this was A&A

mcmoustache

usamaoreilly wrote: »

Look its not me who wants to join them its my grandson!...If I wanted to join the credit union my whole family dont have to be members for me to become a member..I have my own religion,and anybody on this planet man woman or child can join of their own accord with no exceptions...This is what religion should be about..ps cant edit heading,probably is a little OTT now that you mention it...

That's a fair point. I would be curious about what their rules are for admitting minors. It may be that they only allow minors in if the parents are members too, like some golf clubs.

When did your grandson decide that he was a Roman Christian anyway? What I mean by that is who told him about Jesus? If your grandson believes that Jesus is the Son of God, then he's is a Christian. What type of Christian is still to be figured out.

Does he think that the new Testament and nothing else is all that's required to know and understand Jesus? If so, he might be a protestant and the Roman Church doesn't really like those.

Does he believe in transubstantiation, the divinity of Mary and that Pope John Paul the second cured a French nun of Parkinson's even if she might never have had it? In this case he might be a catholic but there would be further questions.

Being a Catholic is very difficult. Your grandson would need to dislike aborters, gays (or what they do, more specifically) and the secularisation of our society. I feel that these subjects may be taxing on a young child and perhaps he doesn't know what religion he wants to be. Maybe it's better to wait until the child can understand what's at stake here. If he picks the wrong version of Christianity, it's off to Hell with him.

I think that the Roman church did you a favour here. They are the least Jesus-like of the Christian faiths so I think it unlikely that they are God's chosen people. Have you looked into getting your grandson into the other world religions. He might prefer to be a Jew or a muslim, for example.

I don't know. I still think that the Roman crowd were right in this instance but it still leaves you with choosing a religion for your grandson.

Maybe a hybrid or a la carte form of religion might suit. It's not uncommon these days for people to go for a mixture of Catholicism, buddhism and astrology. Maybe you could create a hybrid of your own and get your grandson to become a member or even a messiah?

I'm not sure and you may need to think deeply about this but I think that full-on catholicism isn't really for you or your grandson. I think that your grandson is lucky to have been rejected.

Doc Farrell

Any chance you could tighten up your rant with a little more reason? The least Jesus like of the Christian faiths? Really? You are doing yourself a disservice with that kind of vague attack. D minus, must try harder.

As for Ritchiec feeling trapped, isnt that a little childish? Move on Ritchiec, you are a grown up man now.

mikemac1

His parents are not Catholic and the lad is not baptized

I'm not surprised he wants to make his Communion, children want to be like their friends and if his class mates are heading down the local Church to prepare then it's lonely for him to be left out

But reading the info about your family, I think you should just let this pass and when he is an adult he can make his own decision in his own time

GarIT

Doc Farrell wrote: »

As for Ritchiec feeling trapped, isnt that a little childish? Move on Ritchiec, you are a grown up man now.

Morals are important to some people. Many people see this as a big deal. You don't see many present day people bragging that they were Nazis, I think in the future there may be a similar situation with the Roman Catholic Church. I certainly don't wan't my name on a list of members of an organisation responsible for the murder and/or rape or hundreds of thousands if not millions of people since its inception.

mcmoustache

Doc Farrell wrote: »

Any chance you could tighten up your rant with a little more reason? The least Jesus like of the Christian faiths? Really? You are doing yourself a disservice with that kind of vague attack. D minus, must try harder.

It deserves it's own thread really but I'll humour you.

Jesus - poor, humble and all-round good guy. The RCC is not this.

Most protestant denominations place special emphasis on the words and actions of Jesus himself. The Roman church doesn't place the same emphasis and instead has lots of their own interpretations of what Jesus meant.

Nowhere, did Jesus wear purple or speak latin.

Actually, this could derail the thread and I don't want that. Let's just take it as a given that most non-catholic Christians think that their religion is more like what Jesus would have wanted.

crucamim

leeroybrown wrote: »

He's almost certainly only making the choice due to the peer pressure of everyone else making their communion. I know of quite a few cases where drama has ensued around communion time when children are excluded from what they view as "normal" among their peer group.

That is an excellent argument against non-Catholic children and Catholic children sharing the same school. Thank you.

Plowman

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