Could this be the problem ?

elvis jones

Firstly i am not looking for advice and if the mods feel i am then you may close this thread.

Ok on cycles over 30k i develop a sore left groin when i get off my bike. Its only on long cycles and only on the left side. It was the same on my old bike and all that really stayed the same are my legs:D, shoes and pedals.

So i am wondering could the cleet being sightly off cause my leg to sit just off and over a long period of time be the reason the sore groin.

I was thinking of changing shoes and pedals anyway and this could be a good reason as i like to change over to http://www.wiggle.co.uk/shimano-105-pd-5700-spd-sl-road-pedals/ from these http://www.wiggle.co.uk/shimano-pd-m520-pedals/

Advice on the new pedals would be great, i have a Focus Kayo road bike.

kincsem

I'll give the standard After Hours response.

Pics or gtfo.

elvis jones

kincsem wrote: »

I'll give the standard After Hours response.

Pics or gtfo.

Pics of my holidays or the bottom of the shoe ;)

Seve OB

elvis jones wrote: »

Pics of my holidays or the bottom of the shoe ;)

once it isn't a pic of your groin!

minterno

will be keeping an eye on this post as i have similar problem myself.also on my left side,i have changed saddles a few times and tried every angle possible,lowered and upped the saddle but its still the same,my soreness is just where the top of my inner thigh meets the buttock,i suppose that classed as the groin area?anyway its only the left side and its keeping my milage down a lot,hope someone has some thoughts on the matter,regards

Stokolan

elvis jones wrote: »

Firstly i am not looking for advice and if the mods feel i am then you may close this thread.

Ok on cycles over 30k i develop a sore left groin when i get off my bike. Its only on long cycles and only on the left side. It was the same on my old bike and all that really stayed the same are my legs:D, shoes and pedals.

So i am wondering could the cleet being sightly off cause my leg to sit just off and over a long period of time be the reason the sore groin.

I was thinking of changing shoes and pedals anyway and this could be a good reason as i like to change over to http://www.wiggle.co.uk/shimano-105-pd-5700-spd-sl-road-pedals/ from these http://www.wiggle.co.uk/shimano-pd-m520-pedals/

Advice on the new pedals would be great, i have a Focus Kayo road bike.

What's your saddle tilt like? I once adjust my saddle wrong and put a slight tilt on it. Nose up. and after about 20k started to get a pain up the right side of my testicles.

Got out a level and set it up right and never had the issue again.

elvis jones

Saddle is level, i had someone look at it so thats whats leading me towards the shoes/cleats. I'll get a pic up tonight or in the morning.

elvis jones

http://www.flickr.com/photos/77434653@N06/6937746945

Is this ok, i can't check the link in work so no idea

seamus

Could be possible that you've one leg slightly shorter than the other (even by a couple of mm)? You wouldn't notice it generally but over a long cycle the effect will be cumulative.

Would be worth a trip to a physio, might be as simple as an orthotic insole in your left shoe to balance it out.

elvis jones

seamus wrote: »

Could be possible that you've one leg slightly shorter than the other (even by a couple of mm)? You wouldn't notice it generally but over a long cycle the effect will be cumulative.

Would be worth a trip to a physio, might be as simple as an orthotic insole in your left shoe to balance it out.

I have them for running and this was never mentioned as a reason for getting them...........i must give him a buzz as i'm due new ones in april.

Thanks for the info.

seamus

This is way outside my area, but I imagine if you overpronate while running, it's also possible that you can do the same while cycling, so you're pushing down more on the outside of your left foot while pedalling, causing you to have to stretch the leg slightly.

I suspect this can be corrected by changing the cleat position, but I wouldn't dare to even begin suggesting how you'd do this. Perhaps a decent bike fit might be as good.

The reason I suggest that it's an issue with you is because the bike is symmetrical and balanced on both sides (unless you have one crank shorter than the other :eek: ), so the problem most likely lies in the least symmetrical part of the whole system - you

elvis jones

seamus wrote: »

This is way outside my area, but I imagine if you overpronate while running, it's also possible that you can do the same while cycling, so you're pushing down more on the outside of your left foot while pedalling, causing you to have to stretch the leg slightly.

I suspect this can be corrected by changing the cleat position, but I wouldn't dare to even begin suggesting how you'd do this. Perhaps a decent bike fit might be as good.

The reason I suggest that it's an issue with you is because the bike is symmetrical and balanced on both sides (unless you have one crank shorter than the other :eek: ), so the problem most likely lies in the least symmetrical part of the whole system - you

The prob was there with my old bike last and because of work etc i didn't get over 30k but have started upping the time on the saddle this year so i'm seeing the problem again:(

drewy16

Did you ever get a solution to this Elvis? The exact same thing is happening me. Just wondering if you figured out if it was your saddle set up?, shoes? or just your non-symmetrical legs?

12 sprocket

To eliminate if its a problem with wrongly set cleats, try cycling without cleats, so jut use your runners for an easy session on the road or turbo.. SAFETY also for safety you would need to use a different kind of pedal to avoid your feet slipping on the pedals, ordinary pedals from a hybrid should be fine.

RidleyRider

seamus wrote: »

This is way outside my area, but I imagine if you overpronate while running, it's also possible that you can do the same while cycling, so you're pushing down more on the outside of your left foot while pedalling, causing you to have to stretch the leg slightly.

I suspect this can be corrected by changing the cleat position, but I wouldn't dare to even begin suggesting how you'd do this. Perhaps a decent bike fit might be as good.

The reason I suggest that it's an issue with you is because the bike is symmetrical and balanced on both sides (unless you have one crank shorter than the other :eek: ), so the problem most likely lies in the least symmetrical part of the whole system - you

I wonder if your legs were considerably shorter on one side would you need a shorter crank?

seamus

RidleyRider wrote: »

I wonder if your legs were considerably shorter on one side would you need a shorter crank?

It's an interesting question. I actually rode by a guy this morning who had to walk with one huge shoe on - probably had a 20cm sole on the thing - and was thinking how he could be accommodated on a bike.

Shorter crank? Huge sole on one shoe? Smaller bike? All of these things would seem to put the balance of the bike way off.

Maybe someone here knows.

victorcarrera

Mods:This is posted as bike fit advise for a common problem not medical.
I have had a similar problem for years before I figured out what was wrong on the bike. Seamus above has more or less given the solution for my case.
I have one slipped disc and one ruptured disk in the lumbar/sacral area which resulted in my right hip to be pushed slightly up and back and the left slightly down and forward resulting in the so called long/short leg case. (Mine is 2cm difference)
If yours is similar apart from the saddle sore on one side the other tell tale signs are when you are walking on a flat surface you should notice a slight hop when the (long leg) is on the ground. When you are sitting comfortably in a chair do you notice that your left knee is slightly forward of your right? Or stand comfortably and balanced then look straight down and if your head is over your right foot it is likely that you have a curved spine. If you are doing enough Kms you should notice more wear on one side of the shorts also. The reason it shows up on the bike is that the bike is symmetrical and holding the handlebars forces you to straighten your spine and this pushes down the left hip which takes most of the weight on the saddle.
A soft saddle and a good pad can help.

cdaly_

seamus wrote: »

It's an interesting question. I actually rode by a guy this morning who had to walk with one huge shoe on - probably had a 20cm sole on the thing - and was thinking how he could be accommodated on a bike.

Shorter crank? Huge sole on one shoe? Smaller bike? All of these things would seem to put the balance of the bike way off.

You can't accommodate a leg length difference in the cranks. With a shorter crank, the short leg would still require the saddle to be low enough that it could reach the bottom of the pedal stroke. That would leave the longer leg with too high of a top pedal stroke. OTOH, if you optimise the saddle for the longer leg, then the short leg ends up working way less on the overall pedal stroke. I think you would have to have an elevated shoe as for walking. Now, that could be a tall cleat on a standard shoe rather than a full thick sole.

doozerie

I've had a similar issue at times, even relatively recently, and I've put it down to twisting my shoe out of the cleat badly. It has happened me when I've had to clip out in an emergency. The rotation can wrench your ankle, knee, and/or hip when you get it wrong. It's probably more likely to happen with the leg that you clip out most often as this is the one you'll try to clip out in an emergency.

Ryder

seamus wrote: »

This is way outside my area, but I imagine if you overpronate while running, it's also possible that you can do the same while cycling, so you're pushing down more on the outside of your left foot while pedalling, causing you to have to stretch the leg slightly.

I suspect this can be corrected by changing the cleat position, but I wouldn't dare to even begin suggesting how you'd do this. Perhaps a decent bike fit might be as good.

The reason I suggest that it's an issue with you is because the bike is symmetrical and balanced on both sides (unless you have one crank shorter than the other :eek: ), so the problem most likely lies in the least symmetrical part of the whole system - you

I think this may be unrecognised by most people, including bike fitters. I've had longterm problems with my left ITB. My bikefit advised raising the saddle, making it worse. I only noticed recently that when pushing on that side, I drop my heel more, so stretching the leg.....so the moral? I dunno, but maybe insist if getting a bike fit that you push hard, because a standard soft pedal wont diagnose these type of issues