Jobs Airline/Airport

neilomc

a big ask in our economic position - but does anyone know a good place to get a job, preferably in airline/airport management?

i am about to graduate with a ba(hons) in tourism & airline managemet. ideally i'd love to move back to ireland (would live anywhere in the country). i have no experience in airlines apart from my degree. although i have supervisory experience and management experience in retail.

if i cant get a job in ireland, i will look elsewhere like dubai or china or south america, where the future airline jobs may be.

at this point i am just desperate to get into any sort of decent-ish paid airline/airport jobs. help me

Neworder79

Ireland West are advertising a marketing internship at the moment, not a fan of the Jobbridge free labour scam, but it might suit you to gain experience.

http://irelandwestairport.com/utility/careers_details.aspx?id=12

neilomc

thanks for that. i'l have a look seems you gotta work for nothing these days to get experience!

Madpaddy79

Or try starting at the bottom and eh, maybe work your way up to management level!! Only " ba" that counts in the aviation world is the airline.

sparrowcar

neilomc wrote: »

a big ask in our economic position - but does anyone know a good place to get a job, preferably in airline/airport management?

i am about to graduate with a ba(hons) in tourism & airline managemet. ideally i'd love to move back to ireland (would live anywhere in the country). i have no experience in airlines apart from my degree. although i have supervisory experience and management experience in retail.

if i cant get a job in ireland, i will look elsewhere like dubai or china or south america, where the future airline jobs may be.

at this point i am just desperate to get into any sort of decent-ish paid airline/airport jobs. help me

I don't know anyone in any management position in DUB airlines/handlers who hasn't worked their way up the chain in some form or another or has come from another airline/handler/aviation type role.

stopthepanic

The DAA ran a graduate program last year.

http://www.daa.ie/gns/company-profile/human-resources/daa-graduate-programme.aspx

May be you should contact them to see if it will be run this year.

triggermortis

sparrowcar wrote: »

I don't know anyone in any management position in DUB airlines/handlers who hasn't worked their way up the chain in some form or another or has come from another airline/handler/aviation type role.

That's probably why most places are so badly ran, maybe recruiting trained managers could be the way forward?

OP, good luck with your applications but don't expect to start where you want to end up! The airline business isn't like most others - you'll find that out soon enough!!

Irish Steve

triggermortis wrote: »

That's probably why most places are so badly ran, maybe recruiting trained managers could be the way forward?

OP, good luck with your applications but don't expect to start where you want to end up! The airline business isn't like most others - you'll find that out soon enough!!

Not going to happen any time soon, SIPTU will find a way to kill anything like that, it's not in their interest to have people around the place that know how to do the job, puts their lackeys at risk of being exposed for what they are.

sparrowcar

Irish Steve wrote: »

Not going to happen any time soon, SIPTU will find a way to kill anything like that, it's not in their interest to have people around the place that know how to do the job, puts their lackeys at risk of being exposed for what they are.

Not all companies are unionised. Mine for example is union free but we still always promote from within the industry as its such a unique industry that very few can adapt other experiences without putting in some "ground time" first.

Madpaddy79

triggermortis wrote: »

sparrowcar wrote: »

I don't know anyone in any management position in DUB airlines/handlers who hasn't worked their way up the chain in some form or another or has come from another airline/handler/aviation type role.

That's probably why most places are so badly ran, maybe recruiting trained managers could be the way forward?

OP, good luck with your applications but don't expect to start where you want to end up! The airline business isn't like most others - you'll find that out soon enough!!

Would you expand a bit more on that please, the only badly run company I see is the daa, probably due to the above recruitment. People with no experience going in at the top is a real problem for the industry! Degree's do not make good management! Starting off at the bottom and learning your way up is what leads to a good well run company, not ba,s with hon's. just because u graduate from college does not give u an automatic right to a career.

xflyer

Starting off at the bottom and learning your way up is what leads to a good well run company,

Only if the promotion is earned and on merit not years of service. The problem with companies like the DAA is that they had/have? a public service mentality in that seniority is all, ability is optional.

The advantage of graduates is that they too start in low level jobs but there is a greater expectation of them. But a big problem is that management all too often these days it's accountants who get the top level management jobs. Numbers crunchers do not a good manager make!

I have come across a lot of managers in the aviation business over the years who really wouldn't cut it in McDonalds. In fact that's an insult to McDonalds, which has a very good trainee management system.

Irish Steve

sparrowcar wrote: »

Not all companies are unionised. Mine for example is union free but we still always promote from within the industry as its such a unique industry that very few can adapt other experiences without putting in some "ground time" first.

Pleased to hear it, there's not many left now. more's the pity. any hints as to which company, I will watch the jobs slots with interest:D

A320

xflyer wrote: »

I have come across a lot of managers in the aviation business over the years who really wouldn't cut it in McDonalds. In fact that's an insult to McDonalds, which has a very good trainee management system.

well said,its laughable watching some operate,unable to make a simple decision

sparrowcar

Irish Steve wrote: »

Pleased to hear it, there's not many left now. more's the pity. any hints as to which company, I will watch the jobs slots with interest:D

No hints I'm afraid, I wear a baseball cap and sunglasses on boards.ie just in case