samsung 46" 860

craftypaddy

http://www.pixmania-pro.ie/ie/uk/10124506/art/samsung/ue46d5700zf-led-smart-tv.html
smart tv wifi ready,
seems cheap to me around 860 inc vat and delivery

podgeandrodge

craftypaddy wrote: »

http://www.pixmania-pro.ie/ie/uk/10124506/art/samsung/ue46d5700zf-led-smart-tv.html
smart tv wifi ready,
seems cheap to me around 860 inc vat and delivery

Be careful - seems it might be something tailored for France (or maybe not ) - see here (translated)

http://translate.google.ie/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.digital-forum.it%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D134467&act=url

Powercity have the 46ued5000 for €735 (think this model is same excl. satellite tuner). Irish jobs and all that. (€850 in currys)

craftypaddy

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Be careful - seems it might be something tailored for France (or maybe not ) - see here (translated)

http://translate.google.ie/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.digital-forum.it%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D134467&act=url

Powercity have the 46ued5000 for €735 (think this model is same excl. satellite tuner). Irish jobs and all that. (€850 in currys)[/QUO
samsung smart tv is 899 in currys

craftypaddy

here is a link to the regular pixmania site, for me the smart side of the tv and the 4 hdmi sockets was the deciding factor, some good demo videos on youtube, i did try my local currys and had to wait two weeks for delivery, this crowd get it here in less than seven, my lcd has blue screen with sound, the odd time i get a pink screen with no sound, no idea whats wrong with it

Badgermonkey

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Powercity have the 46ued5000 for €735 (think this model is same excl. satellite tuner). Irish jobs and all that.

Leaving this models suitability aside, this Irish jobs argument is a nonsense.

Bricks and mortar stores sought to fleece the Irish consumers over a 10 year period, whereby they cosily stymied competition and offered UK TV overstock at far greater margins.

Why pay a premium to subsidise Irish retailers, when many folks have less disposable income to work with?

In a common market, shop around for the deal you're happiest with - If that happens to be from an Irish retailer, then great.

If not, perhaps it'll encourage them to examine why you took your business elsewhere.

TheDriver

Also note Irish jobs but maybe not Irish profits.

podgeandrodge

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Powercity have the 46ued5000 for €735 (think this model is same excl. satellite tuner). Irish jobs and all that. (€850 in currys)

Badgermonkey wrote: »

Leaving this models suitability aside, this Irish jobs argument is a nonsense.

Why pay a premium to subsidise Irish retailers, when many folks have less disposable income to work with?

In a common market, shop around for the deal you're happiest with - If that happens to be from an Irish retailer, then great.

If not, perhaps it'll encourage them to examine why you took your business elsewhere.

I'm not sure if you are think I am making a different argument. You are referring to some different argument when you refer to "this Irish jobs argument". I never suggested paying a premium to subsidise Irish retailers at all. (but a small premium may well be worth it for advice/warranty etc)

I pointed out that a similar model to the one posted by the OP was available in Powercity (at a much lower price than Currys). In fact the Powercity price for the tv I referred to is €735 and the Pixmania price is €775 including delivery - so Powercity is €40 cheaper and is supporting Irish jobs.

That's the "Irish jobs" argument I am making - sometimes we are too quick to assume that it's cheaper online - people should at least check locally first. In that way at least we have some chance of improving things and keeping employment.

Of course in many cases Irish retailers will be a bit dearer than an internet retailer - that's the nuisance factor they have to put up with when they employ Irish people in numerous local branches rather than one big warehouse - who then contribute to the economy rather than claim the dole.

(I do agree with you that retailers had it too good for too long before the internet brought them into the real world)

Ps I have no involvement with Powercity! I'd be saying the same if it happened to be Currys that were cheaper in this case or any other case!

Zab

The 5000 is not the same TV without the satellite tuner anyway, it doesn't have Samsung's Smart TV functions, only the more basic Allshare.

craftypaddy

power city might be an irish retailer but the tv is not the same smart tv that i originally posted about

sue97

I don't think we should pay a premium to buy Irish but it would be nice to give them the option to match the price.

Ultimately the more people who are employed and paying tax, the less tax everyone pays.

craftypaddy

pixmania just rang me,my tv is on the way yay

NobodyImportant

let us know how you get on paddy.

craftypaddy

tv arrived on time all hooked up now, good clear picture sound is very clear, not tried the smart side of it yet as i have to get a wifi dongle, cos my internet is to far to run a cat 5 cable.
hopefully this will keep me going a few years

RoboRat

Badgermonkey wrote: »

Leaving this models suitability aside, this Irish jobs argument is a nonsense.

Bricks and mortar stores sought to fleece the Irish consumers over a 10 year period, whereby they cosily stymied competition and offered UK TV overstock at far greater margins.

Why pay a premium to subsidise Irish retailers, when many folks have less disposable income to work with?

In a common market, shop around for the deal you're happiest with - If that happens to be from an Irish retailer, then great.

If not, perhaps it'll encourage them to examine why you took your business elsewhere.

That is a very simplistic viewpoint and although in some cases its true, in a lot of other cases its not.

There is a lot more to it than Irish retailers begin greedy and fleecing the Irish customers. Irish businesses are sold the product at a higher price than our UK counterparts, this was not fair and you may say that they should have just sourced the goods from the UK but essentially the manufacturers were calling the shots and wouldn't allow this, Their stance was any UK bought product would need to be shipped to the UK for service calls etc - it was well documented that there was massive paddywhackery going on in the retail sector during the boom times.

There is also delivery/shipping costs, insurance on the delivery, costlier overheads, higher rents & higher VAT. The UK get them cheaper as they are buying them in greater bulk and selling them quicker so therefore there is less depreciation of profit meaning they can sell them cheaper. They also get a lot more sales support than the Irish market as we are only a small fish in a large pond. Bottom line is the UK retailer is buying the products cheaper and turning them into cash quicker so therefore they can sell them cheaper.

I'm not saying that there weren't companies taking the mick and ripping off customers but its not as black and white as people like to think. End of the day, if you want the best price then get it for the best price. If you want to support an Irish business and perhaps pay a little more, then go for it. Personally I am of the latter mindset as I feel in order to get the economy going we need to buy Irish and keep the little bit of money that is being spent in the Irish market. There is no point in harping on about the state of the economy when you are doing nothing to support it.

Badgermonkey

RoboRat wrote: »

End of the day, if you want the best price then get it for the best price. If you want to support an Irish business and perhaps pay a little more, then go for it. Personally I am of the latter mindset as I feel in order to get the economy going we need to buy Irish and keep the little bit of money that is being spent in the Irish market.

Personally, I believe the interests of the Irish economy are best served by consumers demanding competitiveness and innovation from business.

If they cannot compete on price alone, they must provide added value in terms of real expertise and real customer focus.

There is of course merit to an economies of scale / VAT & overheads argument, but it's still a somewhat rickety premise, given the disparity remained considerable, even after costs had been factored in.

Also, the dividend from the housing boom to the electronics sector must surely have mitigated some of the differences between the UK and Irish market conditions.

Mr.Biscuits

craftypaddy wrote: »

http://www.pixmania-pro.ie/ie/uk/10124506/art/samsung/ue46d5700zf-led-smart-tv.html
smart tv wifi ready,
seems cheap to me around 860 inc vat and delivery

Do you not have to have your own business in order to buy from Pixmania Pro?

craftypaddy

http://www.pixmania.ie/ie/uk/9578147/art/samsung/ue46d5700zf-led-smart-tv.html
meant to post this link before but something went wrong

podgeandrodge

craftypaddy wrote: »

power city might be an irish retailer but the tv is not the same smart tv that i originally posted about

craftypaddy wrote: »

http://www.pixmania.ie/ie/uk/9578147/art/samsung/ue46d5700zf-led-smart-tv.html
meant to post this link before but something went wrong

Hi craftypaddy, to clear up the point I was trying to make earlier about Irish retailers - link below is the one I should have quoted for Powercity - this is the same tv (5520 is UK variant of European5700 - same spec) for €899.

So buying locally would cost an extra €40 or so - personally, Irish jobs argument aside, I would pay an extra €40 for a TV costing over €800 to get it locally in case any issues arose. But I accept the point that some people would place the saving of the money as the priority.

http://www.powercity.ie/?par=10-14-46D552&pages=1&prod=46D552&brands=SAMSUNG&image=

craftypaddy

im in cork so no power city near me thats why i didnt check it out, delivery isnt bad at a tenner, any problem with the tv would surely be covered by samsung warranty and they collect and repair the tv and drop it back to me

MjM

I don't think the D5520 has a Sat tuner, looking at the specs of the D5700 shows it has a Sat tuner which might be very useful for free to air etc. Can you let us know what its like changing between Terrestrial and Satellite channels? I'm guessing the sat tuner will only show now and next in the EPG.

You might be able to hack a PVR out of this set too which would be cool.

tiptops

from a quick glance of this tv it dosnt have the 3d feature.. if it had that I and my father would have bought 1 each..

can anyone recommend a good tv from anywhere with latest specs with 3d for a decent price..

thanks

RoboRat

Badgermonkey wrote: »

Personally, I believe the interests of the Irish economy are best served by consumers demanding competitiveness and innovation from business.

Its hard to be competitive when its not a level playing field. Bottom line is that a business has to be profitable to survive. They have to make margin and it has to be worth it and be enough to ensure the business survives during the lull periods or recessions.

If they cannot compete on price alone, they must provide added value in terms of real expertise and real customer focus.

I 100% agree, the only problem with this is that a lot of customers are led by price alone. I do think that companies do need to think outside the box but there is only so much that will bring in versus the price factor.

There is of course merit to an economies of scale / VAT & overheads argument, but it's still a somewhat rickety premise, given the disparity remained considerable, even after costs had been factored in.

You are only considering the visible costs, you don't know the buy price of an Irish company versus the buy price of a UK company. Both companies need to be making a minimum of X percent on a sale in order to be profitable. If the buy price for the UK company is considerably lower than that of its Irish counterpart, the UK company can still make the same if not more mark up whilst selling at a considerably lower price than the Irish company. I'm not saying this is always the case but I know that I was happening during the boom time.

Also, the dividend from the housing boom to the electronics sector must surely have mitigated some of the differences between the UK and Irish market conditions.

Well there was massive demand over here so manufacturers could set their price and if a retailer didn't fall into line and pay the price they could cease supply - customers would then go elsewhere to get the product.

craftypaddy

MjM wrote: »

I don't think the D5520 has a Sat tuner, looking at the specs of the D5700 shows it has a Sat tuner which might be very useful for free to air etc. Can you let us know what its like changing between Terrestrial and Satellite channels? I'm guessing the sat tuner will only show now and next in the EPG.

You might be able to hack a PVR out of this set too which would be cool.

i there i don't have an aerial set up at the moment just sky blu ray and a couple of media players and of coarse the xbox, four hdmi connections is great, what is a pvr that you mentioned
i see the one in power city has a seven day rte program guide so surely this one would as its a better model

Rte 7 Day Program Guide
Rte Dab Radio Stations X 10

skinny90

Satalite tuners starts either at the 6530 serious or at the 7000 serious