Delay Pedals... DD-20 v Timebender?

ShriekingSheet

I'm currently using a DD-6, and it's fine. I'd like more colourful options in my delay pedal though. My band mate uses the Line 6 DL4, which has nice sweep echo stuff. And I see there's other pedals out there that have more to them, than my basic DD-6.

I'm not looking for real analaogue authentic feel. I don't mind, and slightly prefer a more effected, electronic and digital synth sound. Here's what I'm looking at. Any thoughts/opinions would be welcome.

Boss DD-20 is what I think I want. I like that it has 4 memory settings, you can type in the bpm as opposed to tapping, the Twist and Reverse effects are nice and it seems to do more in general. All my pedals are currently Boss too, so it would sit neatly into the daisy chain. (Slicer, SD-1, TU-2, DS-1)

The Digitech Timebender seems a bit more out there, which I like. My only worry is that it seems to be a lesser trusted brand, and may give more hassle. I'll also then need two plugs, which would be a slight pain.

The Boss RE-20 space echo looks good, but I think I'd prefer the DD-20 to it.

-=al=-

have a dd-20 and it's a great lil fella but theres some cool **** on the digitech one

MilanPan!c

I can't recommend the Strymon stuff highly enough... I had a el Capistan which was the best delay pedal I ever came across... until I got the Timeline, which is the Rolls Royce of the digital delay pedal world... worth every cent.

ShriekingSheet

-=al=- wrote: »

have a dd-20 and it's a great lil fella but theres some cool **** on the digitech one

Yeah, just wondering does the dd-20 do enough cool stuff for my needs. I have good, basic delay as it is with the DD-6. Looking for something really interesting.

See, the Boss Slicer I also have is a Boss double pedal, so I like the idea of similar user panels on the two pedals. But I'm sure I could get used to the digitech. Hmmm...

MilanPan!c wrote: »

I can't recommend the Strymon stuff highly enough... I had a el Capistan which was the best delay pedal I ever came across... until I got the Timeline, which is the Rolls Royce of the digital delay pedal world... worth every cent.

Looks brilliant but out of my price range unfortunately!

Squidgy Black

The DL4 might be what you're looking for then, it has the tap tempo and a good few delay models with modulation, for example a lo-res delay for synth-like sounds.

Your best bet would be to try them out in a store though, so that way you can compare them.

ShriekingSheet

stetyrrell wrote: »

The DL4 might be what you're looking for then, it has the tap tempo and a good few delay models with modulation, for example a lo-res delay for synth-like sounds.

Your best bet would be to try them out in a store though, so that way you can compare them.

Cheers but my band mate uses one, so I need to go for something different.

Think I may be leaning towards the Boss, purely because it's Boss.
Reckon the Digitech is actually what I'm looking for.

Plus, we play to Ableton, so setting the bpm by a digital dial (as opposed to tap) is an attractive feature, which the DD-20 and Timebender does.

goblin59

check out tc electronics delay,
i use it, one of the best delays iv heard.
can set the bpm by strumming the guitar

delay can be in dotted 8's instead of 1/4's or both at the same.

the tone print is also a cool feature.

-=al=-

Tc electronic stuff is amazeballs but double the price... but really is amazzzin... The separate power supply for the Digitech would annoy me though

moved from the dd6 to the dd20 myself but like some of the other fun options of the d tech, but ur call there u knwo what ye want

Stereomaniac

Of those ones I would choose the DD-20. However, being the cheapskate that I am, I use a Marshall delay pedal. But I also use the delay setting on the amp as well, so very slow!

goblin59

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Tc electronic stuff is amazeballs but double the price... but really is amazzzin... The separate power supply for the Digitech would annoy me though

moved from the dd6 to the dd20 myself but like some of the other fun options of the d tech, but ur call there u knwo what ye want

double the price?

the flashback delay is a 5er cheaper than the boss dd-7 delay in xmusic @ €129

-=al=-

oops eventide http://www.eventide.com/AudioDivision/Products/StompBoxes.aspx

those fellas are the bees knees frigin epic pedals the pitch factor is unbelievable

footswith-able presets is where its at

darrenw5094

TC Electronic Flashback delay is the best bang for buck in delay pedals right now. I think they have set a new benchmark for all the other brands and all for about €150.

M.R.B

-=al=- wrote: »

oops eventide http://www.eventide.com/AudioDivision/Products/StompBoxes.aspx

those fellas are the bees knees frigin epic pedals the pitch factor is unbelievable

footswith-able presets is where its at

He's already said he couldnt afford the el capistan, and you reccomend the Eventide, which is about €200 more expensive ?

Anyway OP, I'd say go with the TC Nova Delay, although is more expensive than the DD-20 or digitech, the features are worth it. Its about €200 from a shop on adverts or can be found a good bit cheaper online.

Id stay away from the Line 6, just because of impracticalities in a band setting. Theres no presets, so you have to physically change your settings between songs, when playing live, which I think looks rather unprofessional ! :rolleyes: Maybe thats just me, but I think its those little things that matter.

Ash.J.Williams

I currently have my eye on a behringer vintage time machine. For €55 there's no reason not to get it!

goblin59

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I currently have my eye on a behringer vintage time machine. For €55 there's no reason not to get it!

except the fact it's a behringer which are not known for being great.

-=al=-

darrenw5094 wrote: »

TC Electronic Flashback delay is the best bang for buck in delay pedals right now. I think they have set a new benchmark for all the other brands and all for about €150.

this is trues lota ppl ranting bout those chaps

MilanPan!c

-=al=- wrote: »

this is trues lota ppl ranting bout those chaps

It's pretty good, I've owned one...

There's tons of stuff it doesn't do though, relative to some of it's competitors...

and it def doesn't sound as nice as the strymon stuff ... for digital delay... and certainly for analogue delay it's only just, "ok".

Still, at the price point it's a decent enough deal!

rcaz

goblin59 wrote: »

except the fact it's a behringer which are not known for being great.

Based on what? They make fantastic clones of otherwise super-expensive pedals. You can get a Boss DM-3 clone for about €40, it's stupidly good value. The Vintage Time Machine is a Deluxe Memory Man clone for €55? Absolutely outrageous bargain. I've heard the switch in the VTM is a little rubbishy but for that money you can make it work.

Although the OP is looking for something digital here, so neither of these pedals would be right.

MilanPan!c

rcaz wrote: »

Based on what? They make fantastic clones of otherwise super-expensive pedals. You can get a Boss DM-3 clone for about €40, it's stupidly good value. The Vintage Time Machine is a Deluxe Memory Man clone for €55? Absolutely outrageous bargain. I've heard the switch in the VTM is a little rubbishy but for that money you can make it work.

Although the OP is looking for something digital here, so neither of these pedals would be right.

ehhh no...

Behringer make fine cheap effects, so if you don't mind cheap effects their grand... but... their full of cheap components and introduce noise and distortion and also suck your tone...

I am currently looking at a Behringer delay on my desk, which I use as a paperweight...

Not bad for people that don't care about their tone, but for people that buy decent guitars and amps and don't want their effects to basically destroy their core one.... they are not a good option.

I think people that like them TYPICALLY haven't tried the real versions of the pedals Behringer is "cloning"...

Squidgy Black

rcaz wrote: »

goblin59 wrote: »

except the fact it's a behringer which are not known for being great.

Based on what? They make fantastic clones of otherwise super-expensive pedals. You can get a Boss DM-3 clone for about €40, it's stupidly good value. The Vintage Time Machine is a Deluxe Memory Man clone for €55? Absolutely outrageous bargain. I've heard the switch in the VTM is a little rubbishy but for that money you can make it work.

Although the OP is looking for something digital here, so neither of these pedals would be right.

I've gone through hundreds of pedals, and I used to think behringer were fine. Then I started playing gigs and recording, and you realise that they're heaps of ****. They're extremely noisy, not reliable in any way shape or form and break spontaneously. And when you compare them to a decent pedal, the difference is quite clear.

Jamie Starr

I got a Hardwire DL 8 not too long ago, quite pleased with it. The loop time isn't ideal (20 seconds), and the volume drop when it does loop is a bit annoying, but everything else is perfect really. The options are pretty great.

ShriekingSheet

Cheers guys.

Went with a Boss DD-20 in the end. I thought practicality would be important, as I'm mainly using it in a live gig scenario. Because the UI is similar to that of my Boss SL-20 double pedal, and it sits neatly into the daisy chain of other Boss pedals, I felt it would be both easier to adjust on the fly, and more straight forward to set-up, in terms of not needing two ac plugs.

I haven't put it through it's paces properly yet, but will post up how I'm getting on.

As I said, it's replacing my DD-6, a great but more basic piece of kit. My set-up is now...

TU-2 Tuner
SL-20 Slicer
DD-20 Delay
SD-1 Overdrive
DS-1 Distortion

I'm pretty happy with it.

demanufactured

Do you use the SD-1 to boost the DS-1...if so how does it sound??

BTW i own a boss gt-10 and the DD-20 is basically built into it for delay...i only discovered the reverse guitar a while back....sounds amazing

ShriekingSheet

demanufactured wrote: »

Do you use the SD-1 to boost the DS-1...if so how does it sound??

BTW i own a boss gt-10 and the DD-20 is basically built into it for delay...i only discovered the reverse guitar a while back....sounds amazing

The GT-10 digital display and navigation wheel is not suitable for live use, in my opinion. I have it on my BR-1180 which has the same navigation, so very adept with it, but it's a bedroom toy for spending time fiddling and tweaking.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love a GT-10, but wouldn't use one live.

I use about 6 different delay settings in a given gig. 4 of these are saved exactly as needed (including bpm) on the pedal, and I trigger with my foot. For the other settings I need, I just have the manual nobs arranged before we go on, and I have a set plan of quick tweaks of Feedback, Delay Time or Delay Type etc, which take literally one or two seconds between or during songs.

Depends on what you want it for, tbh. The two gadgets make the same noises, but totally different to use, I think.

-=al=-

The footswitchable settings are pretty much what i got the dd-20 for... for use live they're cool... upgraded from the dd-6 to the dd-20 myself

demanufactured

ShriekingSheet wrote: »

The GT-10 digital display and navigation wheel is not suitable for live use, in my opinion. I have it on my BR-1180 which has the same navigation, so very adept with it, but it's a bedroom toy for spending time fiddling and tweaking.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love a GT-10, but wouldn't use one live.

I use about 6 different delay settings in a given gig. 4 of these are saved exactly as needed (including bpm) on the pedal, and I trigger with my foot. For the other settings I need, I just have the manual nobs arranged before we go on, and I have a set plan of quick tweaks of Feedback, Delay Time or Delay Type etc, which take literally one or two seconds between or during songs.

Depends on what you want it for, tbh. The two gadgets make the same noises, but totally different to use, I think.

You are right about the naigation on the gt-10 it can be awkward at times.
I find at the momoent i am just using 1 preset for delay, its an amazing unit but i am seriously considering going back to seperate pedals.

ShriekingSheet

-=al=- wrote: »

The footswitchable settings are pretty much what i got the dd-20 for... for use live they're cool... upgraded from the dd-6 to the dd-20 myself

Exact same as myself. Have only tried it in one practice, but happy so far. More practice tonight and first gig tomorrow night, so will see how it goes. Will have the DD-6 still in the loop just in case

demanufactured wrote: »

You are right about the naigation on the gt-10 it can be awkward at times.
I find at the momoent i am just using 1 preset for delay, its an amazing unit but i am seriously considering going back to seperate pedals.

Yeah, that's exactly the pitfall. It takes effort, so you're very likely to just sit on one setting. Still though, the GT-10 does a hell of a lot more too, so it's personal preference.

demanufactured

Has anyone tried the vox time machine delay??
I like what I have seen and heard on youtube but havnt tried one.