ESB bill sharing connundrum :/

Adam

So there's an apartment with tenants A, B and C, and the ESB in in A's name. Tenant C has moved out, owing one third of the bill. The landlord has let C go on the last months rent and has kept C's deposit as payment. Now how in the hell do A and B get the money for the ESB bill?? Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this, very frustrating situation though, and I'd appreciate any advice!

Jaxxy

C's portion of the ESB bill should be paid out of the deposit the landlord has. The landlord made the decision to let him go without C paying what he owed.

Landlord pays. In an ideal world, that is.

im invisible

Three men at a convention are renting a motel room together for the night. The manager lets them know the rate for a night is $30. Each man pays $10 each to equal $30.

After the men have paid and gone to the room the manager realizes there was a rate reduction for the convention and the room should have cost $25. The manager gives the bell boy extra $5 (in singles) to give to the men. On the way to the room the bell boy realizes he cannot divide $5 by three people evenly so he decides to give each man $1 ($3 total) and pocket the remaining $2.

Now: the men paid $10 each ($30 total). Each got a dollar back to make them each pay $9. So $9 x 3men = $27. Plus the $2 the bell boy pocketed = $29. What happened to the extra $1?

token101

Adam wrote: »

So there's an apartment with tenants A, B and C, and the ESB in in A's name. Tenant C has moved out, owing one third of the bill. The landlord has let C go on the last months rent and has kept C's deposit as payment. Now how in the hell do A and B get the money for the ESB bill?? Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this, very frustrating situation though, and I'd appreciate any advice!

Don't you talk to the guy? You must have known he was leaving? Ring him and tell him he owes you money! If it's a lot of money go to the small claims court if needs be.

Jaxxy

token101 wrote: »

Don't you talk to the guy? You must have known he was leaving? Ring him and tell him he owes you money! If it's a lot of money go to the small claims court if needs be.

Yeah, no use to you if the guy decides he doesn't want to pay and doesn't leave a forwarding address.

token101

Jaxxy wrote: »

Yeah, no use to you if the guy decides he doesn't want to pay and doesn't leave a forwarding address.

Maybe it is. If you have his name and number you can move the ESB into his name and backdate by two months.

Jaxxy

token101 wrote: »

Maybe it is. If you have his name and number you can move the ESB into his name and backdate by two months.

All he'd have to do is ignore any phonecalls or change his number and six months down the line, the building has no lecky. Can't do nothin' in this country without address.

Adam

Yeah C left on bad terms, and it's about 120 quid owed.

I would agree in an ideal world the landlord shouldn't have allowed things to happen as they did with the deposit, but is the landlord even technically liable for the part of the bill when it's only in one name. Obviously it's not fair on A to have outstanding fees when they're paying their fair share.

biko

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Frank Black

AFAIK, A & B should go to AGS to report C for non payment of ESB, in the meantime ask AIB for a loan, this should work IMO.

Jaxxy

Adam wrote: »

Yeah C left on bad terms, and it's about 120 quid owed.

I would agree in an ideal world the landlord shouldn't have allowed things to happen as they did with the deposit, but is the landlord even technically liable for the part of the bill when it's only in one name. Obviously it's not fair on A to have outstanding fees when they're paying their fair share.

If the bill is in A's name only then technically he is responsible. You could explain it to the landlord and if he's not a prick then he might offer some reparations from the deposit he has.

EDIT: For the record I've had something similar happen to me before and the attitude of the person leaving was very much "I don't live there anymore, so I don't give a shite."

FatherLen

im invisible wrote: »

Three men at a convention are renting a motel room together for the night. The manager lets them know the rate for a night is $30. Each man pays $10 each to equal $30.

After the men have paid and gone to the room the manager realizes there was a rate reduction for the convention and the room should have cost $25. The manager gives the bell boy extra $5 (in singles) to give to the men. On the way to the room the bell boy realizes he cannot divide $5 by three people evenly so he decides to give each man $1 ($3 total) and pocket the remaining $2.

Now: the men paid $10 each ($30 total). Each got a dollar back to make them each pay $9. So $9 x 3men = $27. Plus the $2 the bell boy pocketed = $29. What happened to the extra $1?

you subtract that two not add it then your left with 25. the remainder being the five given to the bellboy????

Adam

black francis wrote: »

AFAIK, A & B should go to AGS to report C for non payment of ESB, in the meantime ask AIB for a loan, this should work IMO.

AGS?

token101

Adam wrote: »

Yeah C left on bad terms, and it's about 120 quid owed.

I would agree in an ideal world the landlord shouldn't have allowed things to happen as they did with the deposit, but is the landlord even technically liable for the part of the bill when it's only in one name. Obviously it's not fair on A to have outstanding fees when they're paying their fair share.

If the LL won't pay, I'd move the entire bill into the LLs name if I was you. Tenants do that all the time, you only need a name and a number. He'll be responsible for the bill, he'll come to you looking for the money and looking for you to take it back over, give him your shares in the last bill and tell him the other third is his responsibility. All you'd have to do is ring up, say you left two months ago and you want to put ESB back in LL's name. That'll be done, he'll get the bill you got. Then you give him your shares of it and leave it to him to chase Mr. C.

token101

FatherLen wrote: »

you subtract that two not add it then your left with 25. the remainder being the five given to the bellboy????

Hmmmmm.......tricky eh?

littleredspot

Nothing to do with the landlord. Up to A to contact C. Maybe in future A should get deposits for the ESB bill?

moonshadow

In fairness the landlord did not use the leccy,so why involve him?

Adam

moonshadow wrote: »

In fairness the landlord did not use the leccy,so why involve him?

In fairness I agree, but the landlord should have held the deposit for such a scenario, the other tenants shouldn't be liable for it either.

token101

Well the LL shouldn't have let him walk away and just leave the deposit cover the rent. He should have gone to the tenants and asked what was outstanding before handing over any deposit.

oppenheimer1

Adam wrote: »

In fairness I agree, but the landlord should have held the deposit for such a scenario, the other tenants shouldn't be liable for it either.

Why should the landlord keep a deposit for such an occasion, it has nothing to do with him. Its up to person A to look after deposits for electricity. With three of you C's share couldn't have been that much... 40, 50 maybe? Its not really that much... you could pay it and chalk it down to bad experience. You'll be wiser next time.

Adam

token101 wrote: »

Well the LL shouldn't have let him walk away and just leave the deposit cover the rent. He should have gone to the tenants and asked what was outstanding before handing over any deposit.

Agreed, and the landlord was warned of the outstanding bill and the possibility of non payment two weeks prior to the tenant moving out, so really it's the LL's fault that A is now essentially liable as far as I can tell...

Adam

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Why should the landlord keep a deposit for such an occasion, it has nothing to do with him. Its up to person A to look after deposits for electricity. With three of you C's share couldn't have been that much... 40, 50 maybe? Its not really that much... you could pay it and chalk it down to bad experience. You'll be wiser next time.

That's the point of a deposit. It's held until the end of tenancy against any financial compensation required from the tenant, as a guarantee. And it's 120 quid.

Retrovertigo

token101 wrote: »

If the LL won't pay, I'd move the entire bill into the LLs name if I was you. Tenants do that all the time, you only need a name and a number. He'll be responsible for the bill, he'll come to you looking for the money and looking for you to take it back over, give him your shares in the last bill and tell him the other third is his responsibility. All you'd have to do is ring up, say you left two months ago and you want to put ESB back in LL's name. That'll be done, he'll get the bill you got. Then you give him your shares of it and leave it to him to chase Mr. C.

The landlord is not oblidged to put the bill in his name. It's the responsibility of the people using it to pay the bill.

Sorry OP but unless you can chase C for the money you're **** outta luck.

littleredspot

Adam wrote: »

That's the point of a deposit. It's held until the end on tenancy against and financial compensation required from the tenant, as a guarantee. And it's 120 quid.

The deposit is against financial outlay of the landlord not the tenants.

EG tenants operate a communal kitty for food. One tenant leaves without paying share. Nothing to do with landlord.

Adam

Retrovertigo wrote: »

The landlord is not oblidged to put the bill in his name. It's the responsibility of the people using it to pay the bill.

Sorry OP but unless you can chase C for the money you're **** outta luck.

Thought this would probably be the case.

What about small claims?

Jake187

Adam wrote: »

.....Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this, very frustrating situation though, and I'd appreciate any advice!

Sadly (A) and ( have to pay the bill. The landlord will just turn around and say the deposit was C's last months rent and now belongs to him. You know yourself. Its highly unlikely he'll dig into his own pockets to pay the share.

But ultimately (A) is the one to get shafted here. What if the new tennant does the same?

squod

Ring the ESB and explain yourself. Stuff like this happens. Forward Cs details and new address.

Dudess

Have you been in contact with C by phone or email?

Adam

Dudess wrote: »

Have you been in contact with C by phone or email?

Contacted has been attempted by phone twice since and no response has been made.

Retrovertigo

squod wrote: »

Ring the ESB and explain yourself. Stuff like this happens. Forward Cs details and new address.

Will get you nowhere. They'll tell you whoevers name is on the bill is responsible for paying it.

You could go small claims OP but it wouldn't be worth the grief unless tenant C was operating a weed factory in his bedroom.

arse..biscuits

im invisible wrote: »

Three men at a convention are renting a motel room together for the night. The manager lets them know the rate for a night is $30. Each man pays $10 each to equal $30.

After the men have paid and gone to the room the manager realizes there was a rate reduction for the convention and the room should have cost $25. The manager gives the bell boy extra $5 (in singles) to give to the men. On the way to the room the bell boy realizes he cannot divide $5 by three people evenly so he decides to give each man $1 ($3 total) and pocket the remaining $2.

Now: the men paid $10 each ($30 total). Each got a dollar back to make them each pay $9. So $9 x 3men = $27. Plus the $2 the bell boy pocketed = $29. What happened to the extra $1?

Punters paid 27

Manager has 25
Bell boy has 2

Man that was confusing

oppenheimer1

Adam wrote: »

That's the point of a deposit. It's held until the end of tenancy against any financial compensation required from the tenant, as a guarantee. And it's 120 quid.

Yes, as a guarantee for the rent.

€360 for an ESB bill? are you heating your house with a tumble dryer?

Irish Steve

im invisible wrote: »

Three men at a convention are renting a motel room together for the night. The manager lets them know the rate for a night is $30. Each man pays $10 each to equal $30.

After the men have paid and gone to the room the manager realizes there was a rate reduction for the convention and the room should have cost $25. The manager gives the bell boy extra $5 (in singles) to give to the men. On the way to the room the bell boy realizes he cannot divide $5 by three people evenly so he decides to give each man $1 ($3 total) and pocket the remaining $2.

Now: the men paid $10 each ($30 total). Each got a dollar back to make them each pay $9. So $9 x 3men = $27. Plus the $2 the bell boy pocketed = $29. What happened to the extra $1?

9 x 3 is irrelevant, and what's confusing the issue.

Each should have got 1.66(recurring) of a refund, got 1, and the bellboy got 3 x .66 (recurring) which is is 2, total refund of 5.

You should apply for Kevin Cardiff's old job, seems he had similar problems, just more 0's involved:D Nice try though

ProudDUB

Don't see how the LL can be on the hook for this. If the ESB is in A's name, it is his responsibility to see that the bills gets paid.

If the LL was a better and smarter business man, he should have made C pay rent as usual. Then only have give the deposit back to him once he is happy that C left his room in good order, he did not make off with the LL's property prior to leaving, and that there are no disputes with the remaining tenants over unpaid bills. If there are, then the deposit goes towards them. He has no legal obligation to get involved with the billing situ in the house, but if he does, he fosters good relations between him and his clients, his remaining tenants. As it is, they are pissed off at him, even though technically he didn't do anything wrong.

Capt'n Midnight

you could threaten the person with naming and shaming if they don't pay up

*gets popcorn*

arse..biscuits

Irish Steve wrote: »

im invisible wrote: »

Three men at a convention are renting a motel room together for the night. The manager lets them know the rate for a night is $30. Each man pays $10 each to equal $30.

After the men have paid and gone to the room the manager realizes there was a rate reduction for the convention and the room should have cost $25. The manager gives the bell boy extra $5 (in singles) to give to the men. On the way to the room the bell boy realizes he cannot divide $5 by three people evenly so he decides to give each man $1 ($3 total) and pocket the remaining $2.

Now: the men paid $10 each ($30 total). Each got a dollar back to make them each pay $9. So $9 x 3men = $27. Plus the $2 the bell boy pocketed = $29. What happened to the extra $1?

9 x 3 is irrelevant, and what's confusing the issue.

Each should have got 1.66(recurring) of a refund, got 1, and the bellboy got 3 x .66 (recurring) which is is 2, total refund of 5.

You should apply for Kevin Cardiff's old job, seems he had similar problems, just more 0's involved:D Nice try though

9 * 3 = 27 isn't irrelevant, that's what the men paid. The 30 is irrelevent. Add up what the manager and bell boy received = what the men paid.

jester77

arse..biscuits wrote: »

9 * 3 = 27 isn't irrelevant, that's what the men paid. The 30 is irrelevent. Add up what the manager and bell boy received = what the men paid.

Or to put it simply, the room cost $25 but the 3 lads paid $27 for it and the bellboy pocketed the $2 difference.

Nothingbetter2d

im invisible wrote: »

Three men at a convention are renting a motel room together for the night. The manager lets them know the rate for a night is $30. Each man pays $10 each to equal $30.

After the men have paid and gone to the room the manager realizes there was a rate reduction for the convention and the room should have cost $25. The manager gives the bell boy extra $5 (in singles) to give to the men. On the way to the room the bell boy realizes he cannot divide $5 by three people evenly so he decides to give each man $1 ($3 total) and pocket the remaining $2.

Now: the men paid $10 each ($30 total). Each got a dollar back to make them each pay $9. So $9 x 3men = $27. Plus the $2 the bell boy pocketed = $29. What happened to the extra $1?

enda kenny introduced a new tax to take it :P

blackwhite

arse..biscuits wrote: »

9 * 3 = 27 isn't irrelevant, that's what the men paid. The 30 is irrelevent. Add up what the manager and bell boy received = what the men paid.

It's amazing how one persons logical brainfart can cause confusion in so many people