Constitution Halts Sheriff

St Senan

The law of the land. It's well worth looking at this I know its filmed in Portlaoise but it could happen here in Co Wexford..

St Senan

Sorry guys this for the mobile users.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PpUjl4LvQM8#!

drunkmonkey

You should insert temporary before halts in the thread title.
They've delayed them that's all. He owes a debt, he either settles it or gets out.

Some of those old laws also protect people who are owed debts, would love to see the sheriff use they old system right back at them. Would make for some great tv.

Cantona's Collars

It was mentioned in the video that the home owner was now servicing the debt,I'd like to think that a man trying to pay for his house is allowed stay in it.

Big difference between can't pay & won't pay-the latter deserve little if any sympathy.

fryer99

Seemingly he hasn't paid anything since 2006, bit late trying to service it now! Sure let him stay in it and we'll pick up the tab like good little taxpayers

paulaa

A Wexford man already tried the Constitution trick to get off in court , it was thrown out by the judge

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0811/1224302232246.html

vicwatson

The presenter does nothing for the case - is he even Irish? He sounds half American/English.

Last thing these organisations need is a bunch of crusties in them just there as they've nothing else to do, and the socialist workers party taking over the real cause. That would get people nowhere fast.

Did I see an independent TD in the foreground, a lady, can't think of her name?

vicwatson

paulaa wrote: »

A Wexford man already tried the Constitution trick to get off in court , it was thrown out by the judge

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0811/1224302232246.html

COMPLETELY different case.

Snazzy_Chazzy

paulaa wrote: »

A Wexford man already tried the Constitution trick to get off in court , it was thrown out by the judge

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0811/1224302232246.html

“You can’t do this. This isn’t over. You can expect a bill,” Mr Sludds shouted as he was led away. :rolleyes:

vicwatson

Snazzy_Chazzy wrote: »

“You can’t do this. This isn’t over. You can expect a bill,” Mr Sludds shouted as he was led away. :rolleyes:

A big clown is all he is.... wasting the courts time trying to defend the indefensible, a mr smart arse, well the Judge saw through it.

Wexford People article.

The judge concluded otherwise, imposing €670 in fines for the lack of driving licence, motor tax and NCT. He recorded a three month jail sentence on the first insurance charge, suspended on Bobby of the family Sludds entering a bond to be of good behaviour for two years. On the second insurance charge, the sentence was four months, suspended on similar conditions.

Cantona's Collars

vicwatson wrote: »

COMPLETELY different case.

How he thought using Freemen logic in court was going to get him off driving with no tax or insurance or even a license is beyond me.If he'd ran into me on the road he'd have needed more than the Freemen to help him.

With the eviction case it seems the sheriff royally fecked up and was caught out.Made interesting viewing.

paulaa

vicwatson wrote: »

COMPLETELY different case.

WELL OBVIOUSLY My point was it's not the first time someone tried to use the constitution to circumvent the law.

In this case, the sheriff was not prepared and hadn't a clue how to handle it

jd

All that's happened here is that the sheriff did not have the means to enforce the order with only 2 Gardai present. No victory for Freeman Pseudo-law here at all.

paulaa

jd wrote: »

All that's happened here is that the sheriff did not have the means to enforce the order with only 2 Gardai present. No victory for Freeman Pseudo-law here at all.

Quite right too. No one forced this person to borrow above his means yet his supporters seem to think that he's entitled to a house for nothing and the rest of us will pay for it !!

vicwatson

paulaa wrote: »

WELL OBVIOUSLY My point was it's not the first time someone tried to use the constitution to circumvent the law.

In this case, the sheriff was not prepared and hadn't a clue how to handle it

I thought he admitted in the video that he wasn't infact the Sheriff

paulaa

vicwatson wrote: »

I thought he admitted in the video that he wasn't infact the Sheriff

Sheriff, Sheriff's representative ? What difference does it make ?

You need to take that little point up with the writers of the article

A group of between 30 and 40 individuals gathered in county Laois to help persuade the Sheriff from repossessing a man’s home,

http://laoistatler.ie/2012/02/house-repossession-in-laois-stopped-thanks-to-people-power/

And also the posters on this thread who are also discussing it

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056556102

vicwatson

paulaa wrote: »

Sheriff, Sheriff's representative ? What difference does it make ?

You need to take that little point up with the writers of the article




And also the posters on this thread who are also discussing it

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056556102

Calm down, don't be going getting on my case , infact it does matter whether it's the actual sheriff or a representative.

paulaa

vicwatson wrote: »

Calm down, don't be going getting on my case , infact it does matter whether it's the actual sheriff or a representative.

YOU were the one who started nitpicking only my posts , while articles quoted and many other posters said exactly the same as I did on this and other threads where it was being discussed :rolleyes:

However, it doesn't matter in this case because the person wasn't evicted.

Supertech

paulaa wrote: »

However, it doesn't matter in this case because the person wasn't evicted.

Yet .....

The one thing that struck me about the video was that the Sherriff (or his assistant or deputy or whoever he is :rolleyes: ) seemed completely unsure about the law, and the powers under which he was attending at the scene. Even if it was the case that the eviction didn't proceed purely because the number of protesters exceeded the number of Gardai, surely the 'bailiffs' should be able to confidently and unequivocally cite the law under which someone is being evicted from their home - this guy wasn't.

I don't necessarily buy into all of the arguments being made, but the dual role of the registrar / sherriff is certainly interesting, as is the notion of the Gardai essentially assisting in the collection of debts owed to a private company - ie the bank.

talkinyite

jd wrote: »

All that's happened here is that the sheriff did not have the means to enforce the order with only 2 Gardai present. No victory for Freeman Pseudo-law here at all.

I think it depends on the Gardai that are present; if they're acting under their oaths they won't try trespass but if they're acting as policy enforcers they will. I might be wrong tho.

Snazzy_Chazzy

So is this guy still in the house any Updates?

timmywex

talkinyite wrote: »

I think it depends on the Gardai that are present; if they're acting under their oaths they won't try trespass but if they're acting as policy enforcers they will. I might be wrong tho.

The gardai are only there as peace officers, to ensure that fighting etc doesnt break out, they arent carrying out the repossession

Normally have no time for these freemen type people at all, but to be fair the point he raises about the registrar/sherriff being the same person is actually very valid!