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  • #2
    madtheory
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    This is great. Tritone Digital used to have one of these, and it never really delivered. I've been waiting for a replacement ever since, that does.

    Nitpicking time: it's a bit incorrect to say that you can use an allpass filter to restore phase coherence, and to imply that phase coherence is readily achievable, necessary or desirable. Fr example, how did we ever get good bass guitar sounds combing DI and amp without this? But we did!

    But if you use your ears more than the fancy pictures, this is a very useful tool. I wonder if it can fix recordings from an out of azimuth tape machine? Would be excellent where the original tape is lost or destroyed.


  • #3
    Squidgy Black
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    For guitars and occasionally snares if I'm using a few mics, I just play a palm muted note, or in the case if the snare, a single note, enlarge the waveforms and compare them, and adjust until they're in phase or exactly the same.

    Definitely could be great for other sources where it's not possible


  • #4
    madtheory
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    IME that nearly always doesn't sound any better. I guess that's because I move the mics during the session until it sounds good. I don't like leaving that to the mix. Call me old fashioned.


  • #5
    Paolo_M
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    Didn't Bob Rock move mics until he got the sound he wanted, which included deliberate phase cancelling?
    The Black Album sounded pretty good to my ears.


  • #6
    DamagedTrax
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    looks really cool. i use UAD 'ibp' all the time but this looks like a lot moe control :cool:


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  • #7
    madtheory
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    Paolo_M wrote: »
    Didn't Bob Rock move mics until he got the sound he wanted, which included deliberate phase cancelling?
    The Black Album sounded pretty good to my ears.
    It used to be that everyone did it that way. What a concept, actually listening to what you're recording!


  • #8
    DamagedTrax
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    Paolo_M wrote: »
    Didn't Bob Rock move mics until he got the sound he wanted, which included deliberate phase cancelling?
    The Black Album sounded pretty good to my ears.

    it's very much an after the fact tool. sometimes i get sent stuff for mixing and you'd think the recording engineer didnt kno what a phase button was. sometimes you just need to shift a guitar room mic a touch.


  • #9
    Paolo_M
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    DamagedTrax wrote: »
    it's very much an after the fact tool. sometimes i get sent stuff for mixing and you'd think the recording engineer didnt kno what a phase button was. sometimes you just need to shift a guitar room mic a touch.

    Couldn't you just blow up the waveforms and nudge where necessary, like say when a top and bottom snare mic clearly just sound thin but flipping the phase isn't solving the problem?


  • #10
    DamagedTrax
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    i could. or i could just dial it in. there are also creative fx related to phase. you can tighten up a flabby kickdrum by having one mic a touch out.


  • #11
    PaulBrewer
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    DamagedTrax wrote: »
    i could. or i could just dial it in. there are also creative fx related to phase. you can tighten up a flabby kickdrum by having one mic a touch out.

    The basis of EQ any road ...


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  • #12
    Paolo_M
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    DamagedTrax wrote: »
    i could. or i could just dial it in. there are also creative fx related to phase. you can tighten up a flabby kickdrum by having one mic a touch out.
    PaulBrewer wrote: »
    The basis of EQ any road ...

    So are we saying that phasing really isn't problem (it can be easily fixed or used) as long as you have good ears?


  • #13
    PaulBrewer
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    Paolo_M wrote: »
    So are we saying that phasing really isn't problem (it can be easily fixed or used) as long as you have good ears?

    It's ALWAYS an issue to be aware of.

    Of course one may prefer the sound of phase differences - remember this covers everything from and including complete 180 polarity shifts.
    Out of phase pickups on a strat is a recognised sound for example - and phase shifts are the basis of phasing, Chorus and flanging - and EQ itself.

    Phase difference can have a huge impact on tone and stereo imaging- just beware of its traps.


  • #14
    DamagedTrax
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    Paolo_M wrote: »
    So are we saying that phasing really isn't problem (it can be easily fixed or used) as long as you have good ears?

    its all about what sounds right for your purposes. ive released techno records with stuff so out of phase it almost makes me feel ill but as i said it can be a creative effect. your ears are god, if you think it sounds right and the client does too then who is anyone else to argue :)


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