Hitler had a son with French Teen

CDfm

This story has been revived with the republishing of the book "Your fathers name was Hitler".

Hitler had son with French teen

Adolf Hitler had a son with a French teenager while serving as a soldier during the First World War, according to new evidence.

Hitler is said to have had an affair with Charlotte Lobjoie, 16, as he took a break from the trenches in June 1917 Photo: AP








By Peter Allen, Paris

1:47PM GMT 17 Feb 2012


Jean-Marie Loret, who died in 1985 aged 67, never met his father, but went on to fight Nazi forces during the Second World War.

His extraordinary story has now been backed up by a range of compelling evidence, both in France and in Germany, which is published in the latest edition of Paris's Le Point magazine.

Hitler is said to have had an affair with Mr Loret's mother, Charlotte Lobjoie, 16, as he took a break from the trenches in June 1917.

Although he was fighting the French near Seboncourt, in the northern Picardy region, Hitler made his way to Fournes-in-Weppe, a small town west of Lille, for regular leave.

There he met Miss Lobjoie, who later told their son: "One day I was cutting hay with other women, when we saw a German soldier on the other side of the street.



"He had a sketch pad and seemed to be drawing. All the women found this interesting, and were curious to know what he was drawing.
"I was designated to approach him."
The pair started a brief relationship, which resulted in the birth of Jean-Marie, who was born in March 1918 after being conceived during a 'tipsy' evening in June 1917.
Miss Lobjoie later told Jean-Marie: "When your father was around, which was very rarely, he liked to take me for walks in the countryside.
"But these walks usually ended badly. In fact, your father, inspired by nature, launched into speeches which I did not really understand.
"He did not speak French, but solely ranted in German, talking to an imaginary audience. Even if I spoke German I would not be able to follow him, as the histories of Prussia, Austria and Bavaria where not familiar to me at all, far from it.
"My reaction used to anger your father so much that I did not show any reaction."
Jean-Marie was, like thousands of other French children with German soldier fathers, badly treated by his peers at school.
He was referred to as 'the son of the Bosh', and often had fights as he tried to defend his father, who had by now disappeared over the border back to Germany.
Miss Lobjoie, meanwhile, refused to discuss Jean-Marie's father, and ended up giving her only son away for adoption in the 1930s to a family called Loret.
His real father would not recognise Jean-Marie, but continued to stay in contact with Miss Lobjoie.
Incredibly, Mr Loret went on to fight the Germans in 1939, defending the Maginot Line before it was bypassed during the Nazi invasion which resulted in France being occupied from 1940 until 1944.
Mr Loret even joined the French Resistance, and was given the codename 'Clement'.
Just before her death in the early 1950s, Miss Lobjoie finally told Jean-Marie that his father was arguably the most infamous dictator in human history.
Mr Loret said: "In order not to get depressed, I worked non-stop, never took a holiday, and had no hobbies. For twenty years I didn't even go to the cinema."
Mr Loret recently began investigating his past in great detail, employing scientists to prove that he has the same blood type as Hitler, and that they even have similar handwriting.
Photographs of the two also reveal an astonishing resemblance.
Other elements which corroborate the story are official Wehrmacht, or German Army, papers which show that officers brought envelopes of cash to Miss Lobjoie during the Second World War.
When Miss Lobjoie died, Mr Loret also found paintings in her attic which were signed by Hitler, who was an accomplished artist.
In Germany, meanwhile, a picture of a woman painted by Hitler looked exactly like Miss Lobjoie.
Francois Gibault, Mr Loret's Paris lawyer, said: "He first came to see me in 1979, but was a bit lost and did not know whether he wanted to be publicly recognised as Hitler's son, or to erase all that completely.
"He had the feelings of many illegitimate children: the desire to find a past, however heavy, but also the fear of returning to the old routine.
"I talked with him a lot, playing the role of psychologist rather than lawyer."
Mr Gibault said that Mr Loret's own children might now be in a position to claim royalties from Mien Kampf ('My Struggle'), Hitler's famous book which has sold millions of copies around the world.
Mr Loret wrote a book called 'Your Father's Name Was Hitler' in 1981, and it is now set to be re-published with all the new evidence. history as the Frenchman.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9088865/Hitler-had-son-with-French-teen.html

There are quite a few Mussolini's so why not a Hitler ?

I wonder how any other offspring of dictators are among us.

pedroeibar1

CDfm wrote: »

I wonder how any other offspring of dictators are among us.

I must look at the Dail roll...............:p

chughes

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

I must look at the Dail roll...............:p

Willy O'Dea's moustache and fondness for guns springs to mind.

IrishEyes19

wow. must read that. I'd imagine though regarding anyone who inherits that unfortunate surname, that a change of surname occurs very fast on their part

jonniebgood1

CDfm wrote: »

This story has been revived with the republishing of the book "Your fathers name was Hitler".

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I may be open to accusations of cynicism but I think the key line in the story quoted is

Mr Gibault said that Mr Loret's own children might now be in a position to claim royalties from Mien Kampf ('My Struggle'), Hitler's famous book which has sold millions of copies around the world.

The royalties are substantial

The postwar history of Mein Kampf in England is simpler. It was out of print until 1969, when Hutchinson re-released a wartime translation by Ralph Mannheim. Hutchinson seems to have learned from its mishap with the Red Cross, and from 1975 until 2001, the royalties of approximately £100,000 were donated to a secret charity. http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/10/mein_royalties.php

Surely though, the burden of proof beyond reasonable doubt stands against this families claim?

losthorizon

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

I may be open to accusations of cynicism but I think the key line in the story quoted is
Surely the burden of proof beyond reasonable doubt stands against this families claim?

His brother worked in the Shelbourne hotel in Dublin. Presuming he had a family I'm sure they are in a better position to claim if nephews and nieces can claim royalties. The question is who would want to recieve money from such an odious piece of work?

Farcheal

On the op's link to the article, there is a link in said article to a Belgian guy trying to disprove this theory and has done so. Apparently the genetics for Hitler's surviving extended family who have changed their name to Hüttler taken from families who have survived in America and Germany/Austria show 1- Hitler had no Jewish ancestry and 2- This Jean-Maria is not related to Hitler. I think the different surviving families had 100% the same quota they were looking for and Mr Loret had not even come close.

Manach

Based on a documentry on RTE a few years back, Hitler's nearest relatives are via a step-nephew who emigrated to the US. According to the documentry, they've changed their family name and are living quite, peaceful & private lives.

dubhthach

Of course the stories going about with regards to Hitlers Y-chromosome is that he belonged to Haplogroup E1b1b (as did Napolean it would seem).

Did Jean-Marie Loret have any sons if so then the easiest way to verify all this would be to test his great-nephews in US and those sons. They should show up as closely related on the Y-Chromosome (Haplotype and Haplogroup).

Haplogroup E is an interesting one. The highest concentration is found in Africa, it's presence in Europe appears to radiate out from the middle East and is often regarded as connected with neolithic spread of agriculture in Europe. If Hitler was really E1b1b* then on his direct male lineage he wouldn't have probably qualified as an "Aryan"