Transitional Teams - Who,What,Where,Why and how much!

nursextreme

We know the Why! As previously announced by the government the "Transitional Team" are to be established to deal with the exodus of 8000 staff from the public service by the end of March.

We are more than half way through the month and many of the 8000 have retired already, have any of the teams been formed?

Anyone else care to speculate who will be on theses teams,where are they coming from, what qualifications, what will be their objectives will be and how much will they get paid.

And finally are there not enough people in HR already employed in this capacity, why have they not done the job that they are being paid for. Unless the 8000 staff leaving are all from HR.

ressem

I've heard an unsupported rumour that at the HSE director level, 13 out of 14 are looking at leaving, with the minister pleading for them not to go, as the understudies don't have the experience.

If there's any truth to this the headless chicken impersonations of the HSE management will really intensify.

nursextreme

ressem wrote: »

I've heard an unsupported rumour that at the HSE director level, 13 out of 14 are looking at leaving, with the minister pleading for them not to go, as the understudies don't have the experience.

If there's any truth to this the headless chicken impersonations of the HSE management will really intensify.

That's the best news I have heard all day some of them should have been fired anyway. Don't worry we have an abundance of bloated middle management with their eyes on the spoils.


At least their exit isn't going have a direct impact on the man on the trolley.

Godge

nursextreme wrote: »

We know the Why! As previously announced by the government the "Transitional Team" are to be established to deal with the exodus of 8000 staff from the public service by the end of March.

We are more than half way through the month and many of the 8000 have retired already, have any of the teams been formed?

Anyone else care to speculate who will be on theses teams,where are they coming from, what qualifications, what will be their objectives will be and how much will they get paid.

And finally are there not enough people in HR already employed in this capacity, why have they not done the job that they are being paid for. Unless the 8000 staff leaving are all from HR.

Well there are a whole load of nurse management posts classified as administrative jobs created as a sop to the nursing unions that I hope they get rid of first.

Talking to the people I know working in local authorities and in education, there doesn't seem to be a problem in those areas. The job just seems to have been done.

nursextreme

Godge wrote: »

Well there are a whole load of nurse management posts classified as administrative jobs created as a sop to the nursing unions that I hope they get rid of first.

Talking to the people I know working in local authorities and in education, there doesn't seem to be a problem in those areas. The job just seems to have been done.

You are spot on their Godge far too many nurses working in management full stop. I cant name the Hospital for obvious reasons but I can give you an idea of the staff breakdown.

Hospital X has a Nursing Staff of 280 WTEs:

1 Director of Nursing

7 Assistant Director's

2 CNM3s

42 CNM2/CNS

31 CMN1

4 Nurses work inclucing 1 management position full time in "Deployment" soley working on staff rosters, oraganising Overtime and Agency Cover.

HR has its own dept which is non nurse staffed.

196 Flontline Nurses with 65 Vacant Posts in these flontline positions since the 2009 Moratoruim.

It may be worth noting that all posts above frontline nurses posts have remained at a consistent level through out the moratorium as promotions were give to replace management that may have retired.


Interesting note on the Unions too, each of the Union leaders and shop stewards in the hospital are above CNM1 Level.

Corkblowin

nursextreme wrote: »

Hospital X has a Nursing Staff of 280 WTEs:

1 Director of Nursing

7 Assistant Director's

2 CNM3s

42 CNM2/CNS

31 CMN1

Could you help me try to understand and explain what CMN/CNM stands for and what the difference in roles is supposed to be - I'm not involved in the health sector or public service so its double dutch to me.

Are these numbers included in the 196 nursing staff you mention or on top?

nursextreme

Corkblowin wrote: »

Could you help me try to understand and explain what CMN/CNM stands for and what the difference in roles is supposed to be - I'm not involved in the health sector or public service so its double dutch to me.

Are these numbers included in the 196 nursing staff you mention or on top?

CNM = Clinical Nurse Manager
CNS Clinical Nurse Specialist anyone above CNM1 level(the lowest) is considered nurse management they are not counted in the 196 front line nurses but are in the total nurses numbers Approximately 280 WTE (Whole time equivalents)

Corkblowin

So of the 280 total, 56 could be counted as management? (1 + 7 + 2 + 42 +4). Surely not - thats 1 in 5! Would the CNM3s, CNM2/CNS also work the wards and not only be managers?

nursextreme

Corkblowin wrote: »

So of the 280 total, 56 could be counted as management? (1 + 7 + 2 + 42 +4). Surely not - thats 1 in 5! Would the CNM3s, CNM2/CNS also work the wards and not only be managers?

That's right about 1 in 5 , maybe this branch of the health service is particularly but I would expect it to be the same throughout the country. CNM2 and CNSs never work the wards unless the are back in working overtime which the have been doing quite a bit of since the embargo was imposed. CNM3s Never work the wards.

tinner777

nursextreme wrote: »

That's right about 1 in 5 , maybe this branch of the health service is particularly but I would expect it to be the same throughout the country. CNM2 and CNSs never work the wards unless the are back in working overtime which the have been doing quite a bit of since the embargo was imposed. CNM3s Never work the wards.

not true every where, in mental health cnm2's are part of ward numbers and our cnm3 has been helping us special for the last year due to lack of staff.

nursextreme

tinner777 wrote: »

not true every where, in mental health cnm2's are part of ward numbers and our cnm3 has been helping us special for the last year due to lack of staff.

Mental Health has been drastically hit by the staffing levels since the Moratorium running at least 30% below normal levels compared to the HSE in General. I agree with you that managers have to work the ward in some units but it does seem like a waste of resources when a nurse manager is being paid to do a job that a front-line nurse could be doing. While it is important for a nurse manager to stay in touch with what is happening at ward level they could be better utilised.