Pressure equipment and gas appliances directive - are plumbers left in the dark ?

heinbloed

The EU has published a legally binding directive concering the construction, manufacturing, assembling, installation etc. of pressure equipment.
Central heating systems with 5 meters head (0.5 bar) are part of this.

See

http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/pressure-and-gas/documents/ped/

Not only the pressurised containment is dealt with in this directive but the assembly as a total, including supports.
See Article 1 scope and definitions 2.1

(the link doesn't work directly, click onto PED Directive in the text)


Not only the supports have to be holding the load when installed but they must as well have a designed minimum and maximum temperature strength.

See also chapter 2.2 (Design for adequate strength), 2.2.1. pressure, temperature, static pressure and mass ....
and
Reaction forces and moments which result from the supports,attachments, piping etc. when exposed to external fire (2.1.2)

So no plastic "clips" for central heating systems please - unless certified. See for the certification requirements the linked EU document.

So inform the clients and repair for free, we are talking about a legal requirement.
A certain poster wrote about his atitude towards pipe fixing

So what your saying is that this person should demand to have his house replumbed if clips were used to secure any of his pipes , this would involve totaly gutting his house ......... Heinbloed , you are a genius you just solved the jobs crisis in ireland single handedly , i would say that almost every 2nd house/apt built in ireland in the last 15 years would have pipes clipped with nail on clips , i can hold my hand up and say that i have used them , if i was first fixing a house and was seen scewing brackets along joists and down studs id have been ran off site .
im now convinced that you have no plumbing experience whatsoever , also id like to see one of your links stating that nail on clips should not be used for pipework.
im getting a bit nervous now i cant believe im going to have to go back to a few thousand houses and replumb them free of charge

( http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056529329&page=3)

I would say there is plenty of employement. Once the story gets around to those left in the dark....

paddy147

So whats the difference between a "heating engineer" and a "plumber" then???

Seen as you wont bother to answer anyone on the other thread.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056529329&page=2

sullzz

oh my god , id better start calling to those houses i worked in over the years and re pipe them , i suppose im going to have to put them up in hotels while the work is getting done . just as well you found this information , i dont think ill be able to sleep tonight with this on my mind .
cop yourself on heinbloed.

anheneti

I would still like to know what is a heating engineer and how are they different from a plumber?

DGOBS

Square pegs into round holes perhaps......

A few extracts from the directive, and it's overview document.....

'Directive does not cover the assembly of pressure equipment on the site and under the responsibility of the user, as in the case of industrial installations'


3. The following are excluded from the scope of this Directive:
3.20. radiators and pipes in warm water heating systems;

Hmmm!!

This on a first reading seems like a Product Directive for Manufacture, but hey, as you pointed out before, I am illiterate!

An engineer by definition, is someone who is registered with a "Institute of Engineers', we are all Technicians (the ones that usually show the engineers where the problems are in reality!

paddy147

anheneti wrote: »

I would still like to know what is a heating engineer and how are they different from a plumber?

I wonder would he answer it if you opened/started a thread asking that very question??;)

Or would he just run off and hide,like he seems to do alot here,when questioned by people.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

anheneti

paddy147 wrote: »

I wonder would he answer it if you opened/started a thread asking that very question??;)

Or would he just run off and hide,like he seems to do alot here,when questioned by people.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I don't know, but at least when he is hiding he isn't posting pure ****e

paddy147

anheneti wrote: »

I don't know, but at least when he is hiding he isn't posting pure ****e

Sure anyone can post these internet links (as another poster said yesterday).

Sure posting a few links (thats all he ever does) doesnt mean he is any good in the "real world" though.:rolleyes:

DGOBS

What I would like to know at this point, as he seems to have went to a lot of trouble to find this particular directive, that seems clearly is not written to govern domestic heating installations (only appliances), why does he believe it does?

anheneti

DGOBS wrote: »

What I would like to know at this point, as he seems to have went to a lot of trouble to find this particular directive, that seems clearly is not written to govern domestic heating installations (only appliances), why does he believe it does?

maybe a heating engineer told him

paddy147

anheneti wrote: »

maybe a heating engineer told him

Looks for ROFL emmoticon.:D

If he had experience he would know how silly his posts are, I'd miss the silliness:D if he ever picked up tools, so carry on with the good work Mr H

KoolKid

This is going nowhere.