Reverse Pivot.

FixdePitchmark

Lads found out my poor drives were due to a reverse pivot.

Any idea what shot this would have caused ? left right hook fade pull ?

Changed shaft and big improvments, but want to know what a reverse pivot causes ?

Any ideas to solve, working on it, but leg very tense to stay in one spot. Perhaps it should be, feels strange.

Thanks,

Tones69

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Lads found out my poor drives were due to a reverse pivot.

Any idea what shot this would have caused ? left right hook fade pull ?

Changed shaft and big improvments, but want to know what a reverse pivot causes ?

Any ideas to solve, working on it, but leg very tense to stay in one spot. Perhaps it should be, feels strange.

Thanks,

u tell us wat ur bad shot is normally? Did you not ask the instructor.

EDIT: I think everyone does this starting out i especially, i did it too, good few of my friends off high hcaps do it too, i think straightening out your right leg on the backswing restricts movement and causes you to come up out of the swing resulting in the shoulders opening on the downswing, im open to correction

FixdePitchmark

Tones69 wrote: »

u tell us wat ur bad shot is normally? Did you not ask the instructor.

I had wrong shaft, gone stiff, so made two changes at once,

Was fading / slice due to shaft (I think).

So with correct shaft, what shot is due to reverse pivot. Will know when it was that and not just a bad swing due to plane or takeaway or transition.

FixdePitchmark

Tones69 wrote: »

u tell us wat ur bad shot is normally? Did you not ask the instructor.

I'd say now a pull, was a slice. I have no instructor.

Tones69

I hear ya, people in the know on here would need to see a video of a few of your swings to even half comment with help i think. Could be a number of things, inconsistencies in the swing will increase with the driver, a lesson starting with basic grip and posture set up is needed for anyone who intends to do well imo, cant wait for sat

FixdePitchmark

Tones69 wrote: »

I hear ya, people in the know on here would need to see a video of a few of your swings to even half comment with help i think. Could be a number of things, inconsistencies in the swing will increase with the driver, a lesson starting with basic grip and posture set up is needed for anyone who intends to do well imo, cant wait for sat

My grip, posture, alignment are fine.

But yes , have made big improvements just by reading the lads in here in the Gods of hcap 5 and under.

Tones69

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

My grip, posture, alignment are fine.

But yes , have made big improvements just by reading the lads in here in the Gods of hcap 5 and under.

Not being smart with you but define "fine", because theyre very very important to making a correct swing and a lot of people seem to overlook it, grip slightly week can cause slicing, little too strong can cause pulling/hooking. Very small things maybe a pro could help you out with, really ****all people on here could help you with, deffo need videos at least dude

Whyner

You'll be off balance so anything could occur depending on how good the rest of your body is at recognising this and recovering

irish bloke

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Any ideas to solve, working on it, but leg very tense to stay in one spot. Perhaps it should be, feels strange.

Thanks,

Flexibility and flexibility

Being able to push off your right foot at the start of your d/swing and not have your head go forward too.

Easier said then done though..

Keano

Tones69 wrote: »

Not being smart with you but define "fine", because theyre very very important to making a correct swing and a lot of people seem to overlook it, grip slightly week can cause slicing, little too strong can cause pulling/hooking. Very small things maybe a pro could help you out with, really ****all people on here could help you with, deffo need videos at least dude

Tones is right. You can describe the problem till the cows come home and watch every video on the the internet but a pro will fix your problem in one session.

Example, I was having an issue and thought it was to do with alignment or maybe not getting through the ball properly. Pro stops me after 5 shots. My grip was wrong, the ball was slightly forward in my stance and I was pressing just as I was standing over the ball. It had an immediate affect, the small things are often the most important.

FixdePitchmark

Keano A Legend wrote: »

Tones is right. You can describe the problem till the cows come home and watch every video on the the internet but a pro will fix your problem in one session.

Example, I was having an issue and thought it was to do with alignment or maybe not getting through the ball properly. Pro stops me after 5 shots. My grip was wrong, the ball was slightly forward in my stance and I was pressing just as I was standing over the ball. It had an immediate affect, the small things are often the most important.

Fair enough, am going next week.

Wanted to sort it for weekend (lol).

No hit 7/8 fairways the other day, so shaft was a big deal. Tried to keep it stiff on right leg and going well, just wanted to know what shot would you think would happen if reverse pivot caused it.

Anyway , going to a pro is the way to go, have been too slow to do it, but the way to go. Doing ok on my own.

FixdePitchmark

To be honest , I'm thinking what impact would it be having on irons, as in could it even impact on a wedge.

Have not been happy with wedge play this year. As in at 15 to 25 feet most of the time, sorry gone off there a bit , but could this pivot be causing more problem than my driver.

I'm guessing yes.

gorfield

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

To be honest , I'm thinking what impact would it be having on irons, as in could it even impact on a wedge.

Have not been happy with wedge play this year. As in at 15 to 25 feet most of the time, sorry gone off there a bit , but could this pivot be causing more problem than my driver.

I'm guessing yes.

Im gonna guess you suffer with lower back tightness or pain? Lack of mobility and flexibility in this area dosnt allow your hips resist against your back turning and causes the right leg to straighten and the club to cross the line at the top. You either hit it straight right, or you flip hands over and snap it left.

A problem im battling.

FixdePitchmark

gorfield wrote: »

Im gonna guess you suffer with lower back tightness or pain? Lack of mobility and flexibility in this area dosnt allow your hips resist against your back turning and causes the right leg to straighten and the club to cross the line at the top. You either hit it straight right, or you flip hands over and snap it left.

A problem im battling.

I must say that is very insightfull.

This came to a head with back pain in summer, went to great guy who has me working on it. I'm not always doing the back work , but will now.

Thanks so much, yes very right or snap left are in my bag.

k.p.h

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

My grip, posture, alignment are fine.

50 bucks says there not ... !

I'm just playing with you FdP, I'v never seen your swing so can't really be commenting but (and it's a big but) what do all the pro's work on week in week out.? .... Grip, posture and alignment ...!! And your is fine..? I'm sure you see the logic here.

Also a reverse pivot stems from poor posture, which results in a steep take away. Which should result in a slice (but if you have a strong grip you will get pulls and hooks). All of which leads to compensations which lends itself to trusting the hips forward instead of rotating, leading to unpredictable contact and a poor finishing position.

Good posture, grip and alignment solves all that.

I hope you see where I'm coming from here, I'm trying to make a point. I'm rooting for you here but for christ sake get a lesson.

foxyboxer

Would it be possible to post a video of the swing?

gorfield

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I must say that is very insightfull.

This came to a head with back pain in summer, went to great guy who has me working on it. I'm not always doing the back work , but will now.

Thanks so much, yes very right or snap left are in my bag.

If your in the dublin area or not for that matter! go and see Robbie Cannon, tpi strenght and conditioning expert, best in the country.....he will sort it...if you want his number pm me.

gorfield

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I must say that is very insightfull.

This came to a head with back pain in summer, went to great guy who has me working on it. I'm not always doing the back work , but will now.

Thanks so much, yes very right or snap left are in my bag.

Im gonna guess you hit the driver out near the toe of the club also.....;)

If so, forget lessons. Get sorted physically.

FixdePitchmark

gorfield wrote: »

Im gonna guess you hit the driver out near the toe of the club also.....;)

If so, forget lessons. Get sorted physically.

Thanks man, have lost 5kg from playing and swimming. Do the on the ground with legs and the arse clench , all technical terms, lol.

What do you think of swimming for it gorfield or just go to your man ? Will look him up.

Thanks man.

K.P.H.

You know I'm a stubbron bastard, but was in the car the other day thinking if I had a problem with my teeth I would go to a ?

But am going, I'm not far off had an 83 the other day + 2 on the back.

But the old rugby weekends are a distraction.

Thanks lads.

stringy

A reverse pivot is likely to cause an over the top downswing, which will result in a slice or pull.

Get a good flex in your right knee and try pull down on your inside on you downswing.

gorfield

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Thanks man, have lost 5kg from playing and swimming. Do the on the ground with legs and the arse clench , all technical terms, lol.

What do you think of swimming for it gorfield or just go to your man ? Will look him up.

Thanks man.

K.P.H.

You know I'm a stubbron bastard, but was in the car the other day thinking if I had a problem with my teeth I would go to a ?

But am going, I'm not far off had an 83 the other day + 2 on the back.

But the old rugby weekends are a distraction.

Thanks lads.

Swimming a no no imho! Go see robbie, hour of his time is priceless.

FixdePitchmark

Lads the way I'm going with golf, i could be in negative equity from golf.

A coach
A core strength lad
A new club
A new type of ball
A new grip
2 to 3 games a week
A prymaid of practice balls
Fuel for the car.
Golf Books
Magazines
Underpants and thermals.



**** sake youd imagine i could break 80 (lol).

The life of a mad golfer, another life.

bustercherry

The amount of stuff going on in your head (or you think is) I surprised you haven't fired yourself under a bus let alone got anywhere breaking 80.

FixdePitchmark

bustercherry wrote: »

The amount of stuff going on in your head (or you think is) I surprised you haven't fired yourself under a bus let alone got anywhere breaking 80.

I'll take that as a compliment , i think.

Did you ever consider a job in the samaritans.

Loire

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Lads the way I'm going with golf, i could be in negative equity from golf.

A coach
A core strength lad
A new club
A new type of ball
A new grip
2 to 3 games a week
A prymaid of practice balls
Fuel for the car.
Golf Books
Magazines
Underpants and thermals.



**** sake youd imagine i could break 80 (lol).

The life of a mad golfer, another life.

What about a practice putting mat?

Jul3s

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Lads the way I'm going with golf, i could be in negative equity from golf.

A coach
A core strength lad
A new club
A new type of ball
A new grip
2 to 3 games a week
A prymaid of practice balls
Fuel for the car.
Golf Books
Magazines
Underpants and thermals.



**** sake youd imagine i could break 80 (lol).

The life of a mad wannabe golfer, another life.

FYP

Redzah

Loire wrote: »

What about a practice putting mat?

Ditch the list and get a golf phychologist, there is way too much going on in ur head. One of ur last threads was about how u regularly hit the ball 300 yards and now ur talking about a reverse pivot so i'm completely confused as i did not think it was physically possible to hit it 300 with a reverse pivot.

Anyways confusion aside, if its not due to the physical limitations already pointed out, there are plenty of drills on the technique side of things available online as it is a common problem suffered by golfers. I went through a phase of slicing the ball for a while before realising it was a reverse pivot and i couldn't believe how obvious it was looking back at it. My 2 main swing thoughts to fix this were 1. to slightly exaggerate a sway on the back swing to feel the weight transfer and 2. to ensure I got a good shoulder turn (not directly related to a reverse pivot but provided a focus to get in good position at the top).

Furthermore, while ur head will have lateral movement it should not dip towards the ground on the backswing. If u find urself leaning back on the follow through u can be confident its a reverse pivot so try and get the feel for forward momentum into the ball.

FixdePitchmark

Jul3s wrote: »

FYP

The love song is back on Jul3s.

" In the room women come and go talking of Michelangelo".

Best of luck, you should always wanabe something in life.

But we don't all know what is inside even the ones around you, or even ourselves. Some have a skill to see that , others don't.

Best of luck with your game.

FixdePitchmark

Redzah wrote: »

Ditch the list and get a golf phychologist, there is way too much going on in ur head. One of ur last threads was about how u regularly hit the ball 300 yards and now ur talking about a reverse pivot so i'm completely confused as i did not think it was physically possible to hit it 300 with a reverse pivot.

Anyways confusion aside, if its not due to the physical limitations already pointed out, there are plenty of drills on the technique side of things available online as it is a common problem suffered by golfers. I went through a phase of slicing the ball for a while before realising it was a reverse pivot and i couldn't believe how obvious it was looking back at it. My 2 main swing thoughts to fix this were 1. to slightly exaggerate a sway on the back swing to feel the weight transfer and 2. to ensure I got a good shoulder turn (not directly related to a reverse pivot but provided a focus to get in good position at the top).

Furthermore, while ur head will have lateral movement it should not dip towards the ground on the backswing. If u find urself leaning back on the follow through u can be confident its a reverse pivot so try and get the feel for forward momentum into the ball.

Redzah, thanks.

Too much in my head, love it , less is the way to go (LOL).

The fist and then the hand.
You have it all.

I think the reverse pivot was helping with clubhead speed, but please don't go there again.


Will be a new golfer in a month.

Thanks to all again.

Redzah

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Redzah, thanks.

Too much in my head, love it , less is the way to go (LOL).

The fist and then the hand.
You have it all.

I think the reverse pivot was helping with clubhead speed, but please don't go there again.


Will be a new golfer in a month.

Thanks to all again.

No worries Pitchmark, i love the sarcastic response but in all seriousness less swing thoughts will help. One or two key fundamentals should be all u need. There is so much on the reverse pivot on the net that u just need to ascertain what would help u best.

Its more confusion than the 'fist' but in fairness its a good quote. Seeing as i'm now all hands u have any other jobs for me :D:D:D

FixdePitchmark

Redzah wrote: »

No worries Pitchmark, i love the sarcastic response but in all seriousness less swing thoughts will help. One or two key fundamentals should be all u need. There is so much on the reverse pivot on the net that u just need to ascertain what would help u best.

Its more confusion than the 'fist' but in fairness its a good quote. Seeing as i'm now all hands u have any other jobs for me :D:D:D

You know the game Redzah, you have some trust issues. But I can see in you that you are more stubborn and have more staying power than me.

When you go at me , I worry standing at a Dublin Bus stop. At least now I know when the next bus is coming.

You have to be able to see talents in others - best of luck man , your talents are in the mouth and the hands.

FixdePitchmark

I liked watching this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu4S6VISxos&feature=related

Abugarcia

I had the same problem as well a "reverse pivot"and i went to a pro to try and sort something out because i was nearly giving the game up it got that bad:mad:.But after 2 lessons and alot of practice:D im starting to hit the ball allot better. The big thing was understanding what i was doing wrong a reverse pivot is when you dont transfer your weight onto your right side when making a back swing and transferring the weight onto your left as you start to swing down i had most om my weight on my left side on the top of my backswing and as i started my down swing i shifted onto my right side causing me to open the face at this point, which lead to a high shot to the right due to adding loft to the club with an open face. Its hard to get out of the habit but when you do you will see the benefits straight away;)

neckedit

Hey Pitchmark, Swimming is a fantastic way to strengthen the core muscles and to improve over all flexibility, stick at it.

Redzah

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

You know the game Redzah, you have some trust issues. But I can see in you that you are more stubborn and have more staying power than me.

When you go at me , I worry standing at a Dublin Bus stop. At least now I know when the next bus is coming.

You have to be able to see talents in others - best of luck man , your talents are in the mouth and the hands.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D A+ pitchmark

joanmul

neckedit wrote: »

Hey Pitchmark, Swimming is a fantastic way to strengthen the core muscles and to improve over all flexibility, stick at it.

Some yoga would help with the flexibility - the pros are all doing it now. Someone also told me that he puts a hot water bottle on his back for half an hour before heading off for his golf. Yes really!! I tried it and it works.

Su Campu

I tend to drift into reverse pivoting after a layoff. I find it is because I tend to lift my arms in the backswing rather than doing a full shoulder turn, which leads me to force the downswing in search of distance. This pulls my right side down and usuall causes fat or topped hooks.

A thought I use is to concentrate on getting my left shoulder to pass under my chin on the backswing. This ensures a full shoulder turn. On the downswing it is the same thing I mentioned in another thread - just pull the butt of the grip straight down to initiate and if done correctly the body comes through on the swing correctly.

FixdePitchmark

Great view of right knee, so little movment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVW8DBHWXv8

irish bloke

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Great view of right knee, so little movment.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVW8DBHWXv8

Superb isn't it.

Thats the exact video swing I use when comparing my own for iron shots on golf analysis software.

Some day eah!!!!!!!!

Adiaga 2

I saw a drill on the golf channel a couple of years ago that helps prevent the right leg from straightening on the back swing. When you set up to the ball, turn your right foot in so your toes are pointing more towards the ball. Having your foot turned this way prevents the leg from straightening out and should stop the weight transferring to your left side on the backswing. If you do try this at the range, you'll need to slow your back swing down otherwise you could injure your ankle or knee. I think it was Butch Harmon's son on the golf channel so you might find a video on youtube or the golfchannel.com. It's not a fix but it will give you the feeling of not straightening the right leg during the swing.

alxmorgan

Adiaga 2 wrote: »

I saw a drill on the golf channel a couple of years ago that helps prevent the right leg from straightening on the back swing. When you set up to the ball, turn your right foot in so your toes are pointing more towards the ball. Having your foot turned this way prevents the leg from straightening out and should stop the weight transferring to your left side on the backswing. If you do try this at the range, you'll need to slow your back swing down otherwise you could injure your ankle or knee. I think it was Butch Harmon's son on the golf channel so you might find a video on youtube or the golfchannel.com. It's not a fix but it will give you the feeling of not straightening the right leg during the swing.

+1 for this. Have been trying it lately and have gained a club in distance as well due to added coil.
(had lost the club distance somewhere along the line so I'm just back to where I started really - never win :rolleyes: )

chemicalfred

gorfield wrote: »

If your in the dublin area or not for that matter! go and see Robbie Cannon, tpi strenght and conditioning expert, best in the country.....he will sort it...if you want his number pm me.

+1 I've gone to Robbie and he is excellent.