new car decisions decisions.

NewCar2012

hi , i am changing my car, and out of ideas on what options i have or recommendations on what to get,

i have a 2007 automatic honda accord with 120,000km on it, running perfectly no issues at all.

i want to get something that is cheaper to run, tax and insure, went to a few garages and got various prices,

one example, trading in the accord against a 2010 golf 1.6 Diesel ( sticker price for the golf is €17950 ), with 50,000km on it, cost to change to this with my accord , dealer wants €8700, i think he has the golf priced a little high...

second option with a different dealer,

brand new 12 reg, VW Caddy van 75HP 1.6 diesel retail €16035 incl vat dealer wants €8535 with my car for this. he is giving me €7500 trade in on the accord.

two very different beasts, but i just need a vehicle to get to work, 99% of the time its just me traveling in it.

I am kind of leaning towards the caddy as its brand new.

my budget is €9000 cash + my car as trade in..

any suggestions on what i could go for? or even on the two options above?

main priorities are handy on fuel,

thanks

naughtysmurf

Unless you actually need a van, why would you buy one?

NewCar2012

naughtysmurf wrote: »

Unless you actually need a van, why would you buy one?

cause i can buy one new, with zero miles a little cheaper than the golf i
mentioned in my first post..

bazz26

NewCar2012 wrote: »

cause i can buy one new, with zero miles a little cheaper than the golf i
mentioned in my first post..

No offence but that seems like a daft reason to choose a van over a car.

mickdw

a 2010 gof is going to be a let down after a 2007 accord IMO. After the first couple of days, you will wonder why you paid them to give you an inferior car.
The lower day to day costs on the golf are not a real saving either.

Reloc8

If the objective is to save something on the day to day costs why would you pay up for brand new and take a huge hit on depreciation immediately ?

Just curious - did you calculate the day to day saving on the golf and work out how long it would take to get back the cost to change ?

Only asking because if you were looking to save day to day costs and the quality of your driving experience is not a major factor, would it not make more sense to change into something with less capital outlay ?

Tea 1000

9,000 is a lot to spend to save a few quid a week on fuel. You'll be driving many hundreds of thousands of miles before you'll see a difference, and even then, you'll have a broken back and eardrums from doing all that in a silly van. And nowadays you can't tax a van unless you have a business or can't insure it if you do...

naughtysmurf

mickdw wrote: »

a 2010 gof is going to be a let down after a 2007 accord IMO. After the first couple of days, you will wonder why you paid them to give you an inferior car.

Whatever about the golf, imagine how he will be feeling after a couple of days in the caddy

zeteckiller

best advice i could give is to check out as many different cars as you can, there's plenty of choice out there in golf sized diesels. mazda 3, ford focus, citroen c4, peugeot 307/8, toyota auris, etc etc
personally i'd try to get into a new shape focus but i'm a ford guy.
vw's aren't as reliable now as they once were but having said that, nothing is these days.

Anan1

If the idea here is to save money then nothing will even come close to keeping the Accord. It'll be a lot nicer to drive than anything you've mentioned too.

NewCar2012

Tea 1000 wrote: »

9,000 is a lot to spend to save a few quid a week on fuel. You'll be driving many hundreds of thousands of miles before you'll see a difference, and even then, you'll have a broken back and eardrums from doing all that in a silly van. And nowadays you can't tax a van unless you have a business or can't insure it if you do...

hi thanks for all the opinions, currently i pay €320 per month on petrol.
( current car avg mpg 35 )

if i changed to the caddy / golf, i would estimate approx 50mpg minimium or maybe more, so would save fuel from the start, prices of petrol and diesel are about 1c apart at present.

also road tax would be 50% cheaper, and as the accord gets older, certain things may need doing, which may be expensive to sort out.

the longer i leave it, cost to change is going to get higher. I know the accord petrol, does not have a DMF or even a DPF, so possibly more reliable that way, also it burns zero oil, and always serviced by main dealer.


its a tough call,
for those that dont know, the ride quality in the accord with the sports suspension, and 17" wheels with wide tyres, is quite firm and you feel every bump in the road, i have driven a golf for a few days, and seems to have a more comfortable ride....

NewCar2012

bazz26 wrote: »

No offence but that seems like a daft reason to choose a van over a car.

i am not set on getting a car, every option is open, i havent decided what to get yet, however i am considering all options.
.

NewCar2012

NewCar2012 wrote: »

...........

my budget is €9000 cash + my car as trade in..

any suggestions on what i could go for? or even on the two options above?

main priorities are handy on fuel,

thanks

What's your annual mileage?
€9000 is a fair bit of petrol money.

NewCar2012

Reloc8 wrote: »

Only asking because if you were looking to save day to day costs and the quality of your driving experience is not a major factor, would it not make more sense to change into something with less capital outlay ?

can you recommend anything.

NewCar2012

RoverJames wrote: »

What's your annual mileage?
€9000 is a fair bit of petrol money.

car is 5 years old just, with 120,000 km on it, so 24,000km per year, and i have owned it since new.
€9000 would equate to 2.3 years of petrol.

NewCar2012

NewCar2012 wrote: »

can you recommend anything.

Search for diesel saloons costing under €10,000 on Carzone, you'll be blown away with the option

Matthewjohn

Depends what golf is 90 bhp or 105 and also what spec but almost €18k for 2 year old golf is expensive

NewCar2012

Matthewjohn wrote: »

Depends what golf is 90 bhp or 105 and also what spec but almost €18k for 2 year old golf is expensive

golf 105 BHP, sport spec, that car was €24,500 new so €17,950 with 48,000km on it, does seem a tad bit expensive..

Tea 1000

NewCar2012 wrote: »

hi thanks for all the opinions, currently i pay €320 per month on petrol.
( current car avg mpg 35 )

if i changed to the caddy / golf, i would estimate approx 50mpg minimium or maybe more, so would save fuel from the start, prices of petrol and diesel are about 1c apart at present.

also road tax would be 50% cheaper, and as the accord gets older, certain things may need doing, which may be expensive to sort out.

the longer i leave it, cost to change is going to get higher. I know the accord petrol, does not have a DMF or even a DPF, so possibly more reliable that way, also it burns zero oil, and always serviced by main dealer.


its a tough call,
for those that dont know, the ride quality in the accord with the sports suspension, and 17" wheels with wide tyres, is quite firm and you feel every bump in the road, i have driven a golf for a few days, and seems to have a more comfortable ride....

You'll save €100 per month, given that you'll average 50mpg in a diesel. That's €1,200 per year, plus saving on tax would be around €1,600 per year saved. Nearly 6 years driving assuming nothing goes wrong in either car before your 9k is saved back.
Today you have a 5 year old Accord, in 6 years you'll have an 8 year old Golf. Either car would be worth similar money to sell. So your €9,000 outlay will basically mean that instead of driving an Accord for 6 years you'll be driving a Golf. After that, assuming the Golf remains faithful, you'll start saving the €1600 per year.
The Accord is a much nicer car. Don't even think about a Caddy, if you want to save money that badly on petrol alone buy a Mo-ped.


Edit: - You could look towards something like this, not quite an Accord, but better than a Golf, and you'd almost buy it outright without selling the Accord! http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volvo/S40/1-OWNER-/813257538711900/advert?channel=CARS

Tea 1000

NewCar2012 wrote: »

car is 5 years old just, with 120,000 km on it, so 24,000km per year, and i have owned it since new.
€9000 would equate to 2.3 years of petrol.

Yes, but diesel isn't free, so you have to calculate the difference in the fuel each car uses, not the total amount of petrol you'll use.

You'll regret buying a Caddy anyway, have a look at Kia ProCee'd (spelt wrong) and that sort of stuff I reckon you might regret that too though, Hyundai and Kia have very decent warranties too. A petrol auto 2007 reg Accord would be a fairly unsought after car to have on the forecourt I would think.

naughtysmurf

Trying to quit the cigs so maybe in a bit of a mood BUT please don't buy a van unless you need a van for work or hobbies or such like.
If you don't need a van, then you probably need a car so you probably need to research cars that meet your requirments

NewCar2012

Tea 1000 wrote: »

You'll save €100 per month, given that you'll average 50mpg in a diesel. That's €1,200 per year, plus saving on tax would be around €1,600 per year saved. Nearly 6 years driving assuming nothing goes wrong in either car before your 9k is saved back.
Today you have a 5 year old Accord, in 6 years you'll have an 8 year old Golf. Either car would be worth similar money to sell. So your €9,000 outlay will basically mean that instead of driving an Accord for 6 years you'll be driving a Golf. After that, assuming the Golf remains faithful, you'll start saving the €1600 per year.
The Accord is a much nicer car. Don't even think about a Caddy, if you want to save money that badly on petrol alone buy a Mo-ped.

my main considerations

1. parts may go in a 5 year old car anything to do with an autobox is expensive ( its perfect at the minute touch wood ) and as car gets older all these things add up.
2. tax saving
3. fuel saving

these are probably small little issues, as the accord petrol appear to be very reliable.

166man

RoverJames wrote: »

What's your annual mileage?
€9000 is a fair bit of petrol money.

If the OP were to change to a Golf diesel at a cost of €9k, he would be saving on fuel and tax. You do have to remember than in 2 years time if the OP wants to sell his diesel Golf that it would be worth a fair chunk of money even then. So it's not really €9000 worth of petrol money.:)

Have a look at the likes of a 2010 Laguna diesel, part exchange of your Accord might work out better than against a Gold diesel.

Tea 1000

NewCar2012 wrote: »

my main considerations

1. parts may go in a 5 year old car anything to do with an autobox is expensive ( its perfect at the minute touch wood ) and as car gets older all these things add up.
2. tax saving
3. fuel saving

these are probably small little issues, as the accord petrol appear to be very reliable.

Auto petrol Accords will probably give you less issues than newer diesels of any variety. I've covered the fuel and tax saving above.
I've also suggested a 2007 S40 diesel above, better value and car than the Golf.

NewCar2012

RoverJames wrote: »

You'll regret buying a Caddy anyway, have a look at Kia ProCee'd (spelt wrong) and that sort of stuff I reckon you might regret that too though, Hyundai and Kia have very decent warranties too. A petrol auto 2007 reg Accord would be a fairly unsought after car to have on the forecourt I would think.

not as unsought after as a toyota avensis!

there are only 24 2007 accord on carzone for sale

there are 194 2007 toyota avensis... the accord are not flooding forecourts like other makes /models.

NewCar2012

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Auto petrol Accords will probably give you less issues than newer diesels of any variety. I've covered the fuel and tax saving above.
I've also suggested a 2007 S40 diesel above, better value and car than the Golf.

had one of those before 2.0 D SE in 2006, max it ever gave was 45mpg.
same size as the focus inside.

NewCar2012

RoverJames wrote: »

Have a look at the likes of a 2010 Laguna diesel, part exchange of your Accord might work out better than against a Gold diesel.

i dont like french cars, loaded with too many electrics that go haywire every so often, a friend had a 2010 megane diesel, and radio went, window motors,
and other bits and pieces, he dumped it in the end and got a corolla 1.4D4D
and has no issues.

Tea 1000

NewCar2012 wrote: »

had one of those before 2.0 D SE in 2006, max it ever gave was 45mpg.
same size as the focus inside.

Yes, which is the same size as a Golf. And you'll struggle to do better than 45mpg in a Golf, despite claims by many. Maybe 48mpg.
You seem to have you're mind made up though. Go buy the Golf!

NewCar2012

naughtysmurf wrote: »

Trying to quit the cigs so maybe in a bit of a mood BUT please don't buy a van unless you need a van for work or hobbies or such like.
If you don't need a van, then you probably need a car so you probably need to research cars that meet your requirments

i have never bought a second hand car, always was nervous what i would be buying, ie history of car, etc, so always went new, probably a big mistake.

166man

166man wrote: »

If the OP were to change to a Golf diesel at a cost of €9k, he would be saving on fuel and tax. You do have to remember than in 2 years time if the OP wants to sell his diesel Golf that it would be worth a fair chunk of money even then. So it's not really €9000 worth of petrol money.:)

..... true, but the Accord won't be losing value any faster than the Golf at this stage

NewCar2012 wrote: »

not as unsought after as a toyota avensis!

there are only 24 2007 accord on carzone for sale

there are 194 2007 toyota avensis... the accord are not flooding forecourts like other makes /models.

..... weird way to look at it, I also am obviously referring to petrol, auto Accords, ie your one

After reading your posts you seem to know it all so I don't think I can add anything to this that would be of any help to you, best of luck with your choice, half tempted to recommend an A5 for some reason.

NewCar2012

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Yes, which is the same size as a Golf. And you'll struggle to do better than 45mpg in a Golf, despite claims by many. Maybe 48mpg.
You seem to have you're mind made up though. Go buy the Golf!

no mind not made up yet at all.

have a golf in the family, and it shows on screen, 65mpg, when i took it for a long spin, dont know how true that is, but the fuel needle moves very slowly.

i dont think i am anywhere near to making a choice, too many options

thanks to all for the posts so far,

Tea 1000

NewCar2012 wrote: »

no mind not made up yet at all.

have a golf in the family, and it shows on screen, 65mpg, when i took it for a long spin, dont know how true that is, but the fuel needle moves very slowly.

i dont think i am anywhere near to making a choice, too many options

thanks to all for the posts so far,

Forget the screen. Brim it. Drive it for a week on your usual commute. Brim it again. See how many litres it used. Thats the only way. I've seen 99mpg on a screen before!!

NewCar2012

RoverJames wrote: »

After reading your posts you seem to know it all so I don't think I can add anything to this that would be of any help to you, best of luck with your choice, half tempted to recommend an A5 for some reason.

well the recommendation of the A5 would be a lot better than your previous one :rolleyes:

thanks for your input though.

naughtysmurf

NewCar2012 wrote: »

i have never bought a second hand car, always was nervous what i would be buying, ie history of car, etc, so always went new, probably a big mistake.

Personally wouldn't get too obsessed about new or second hand ( I've done both), first of all decide what you really need / want (car, van, bus etc) then decide on your max budget
Then go looking in your price range, taking into account service history, milage, warranty etc if second hand, spec, warranty etc if new but whatever you do buy something that suits your family, life style, general needs etc etc etc
Not much point having a car if what you really need is a van and not much point having a van if what you really need is a car

ninty9er

Unless your car is boring you, don't change it, and if you do, don't get something boring like a 105 bhp Golf. At least get a 2.0 TDI 170 bhp.

Getting anything less than a top spec car in your price range in Ireland will lead to regret and disappointment.

My advice, if you're changing the Accord for a bit of variety, you need to increase your budget, if you're changing for any other reason it'll end up in regret and disappointment 6 months down the line.

Chris_Heilong

OP, I would keep the Accord, but looking at your name maybe you are really after a 2012 reg, anyway good luck.