New regs regarding new drivers of Bus&trucks

donkey balls

Hi all,
While I was looking up an S.I I came across this S.I No 483/2011 it makes for some interesting reading (amendment to drivers licence) from Jan 2013.
So it looks like some one in the Dept of transport wants to up the age that a person can drive either a bus or truck and also their licence will only be valid for 5 years compared to a car drivers 10:rolleyes:.
Anyway here is the link http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2011/en/si/0483.html
Question for anyone in the know about the above S.I is the hiring of age in order for a person to drive a particular vehicle been done in the name of road safety,Also the five year drivers licence for so called professional drivers is that another way of extracting more money from people who all ready have to do that stupid drivers cpc.
Now I know that good aul leo hired in someone from the Irish pharma association as his special gimpadvisor is this what they have in plan for us drivers,More paperwork rules&regs etc which won't have an impact on road safety,Also the govt keep waffling on about job creation in certain industries especially companies who export their goods do they not know that 90% of goods travel by road to there destination.:mad:

Faith+1

Sorry Donkeyballs but am I reading this right??

A new applicant has to be 20 years of age in order to apply for a Motorcycle Licence (Cat A)

21 years old for Truck and 24 for Bus????

This is bloody madness.

donkey balls

Yep unless I need to start wearing glasses that's what the S.I states unless you manage to hold a CPC( Certificate of Professional competance) which is a load of b*ll*x if this S.I is about safety as holding a transport mgmt CPC will have no bearing on a persons ability to drive.

Faith+1

donkey balls wrote: »

Yep unless I need to start wearing glasses that's what the S.I states unless you manage to hold a CPC( Certificate of Professional competance) which is a load of b*ll*x if this S.I is about safety as holding a transport mgmt CPC will have no bearing on a persons ability to drive.

As you've already said this is not about safety this is just another money spinner from the RSA/Government. So Ireland will have one of the oldest age requirments in the world to drive a Bus .i.e 24???

Bob Geldof is right, It is a Banana republic :mad:

macroman

Better pass me test on Monday then so :P

Del2005

Faith+1 wrote: »

As you've already said this is not about safety this is just another money spinner from the RSA/Government. So Ireland will have one of the oldest age requirments in the world to drive a Bus .i.e 24???

Bob Geldof is right, It is a Banana republic :mad:

It's an EU Directive 2006/16/EC there's a pdf on the this page on the RSA site, page 15 has the truck/bus page 6 has the bike. But you gotta love the way it's buried deep on the site.

Faith+1

Del2005 wrote: »

It's an EU Directive 2006/16/EC there's a pdf on the this page on the RSA site, page 15 has the truck/bus page 6 has the bike. But you gotta love the way it's buried deep on the site.

Good work Del, You are spot on! They're certainly tucked away alright!

triple-M

so in my particular scenario im 22 have my bus test next month,say I pass,does that mean I can have my licence for this year then give it up next year until i turn 24 or will there be a clause for people who hold a licence to drive a bus before this rule kicks in?

Del2005

triple-M wrote: »

so in my particular scenario im 22 have my bus test next month,say I pass,does that mean I can have my licence for this year then give it up next year until i turn 24 or will there be a clause for people who hold a licence to drive a bus before this rule kicks in?

Nope it's only for people who apply after they date it's implemented. They can't take your licence off you, unless you do something bad and end up in court.

donkey balls

So under the new EU regs. Anyone with a licence for either a bus or truck will have to renew their licence every five years yet a person with only a car licence will be every ten years,So can we expect to pay half the cost of a ten year licence when this directive is introduced.

Faith+1

donkey balls wrote: »

So under the new EU regs. Anyone with a licence for either a bus or truck will have to renew their licence every five years yet a person with only a car licence will be every ten years,So can we expect to pay half the cost of a ten year licence when this directive is introduced.

Yes and the RSA will give us the option of which ass cheek we want kicked :rolleyes:

macroman

The only implication I can see for myself is - I'm 21, I've my bus test on Monday, when this directive comes into force I can see the insurance companies not touching me with a barge pole - working for a family business there'll already a loading for me being under 25, when this comes into effect they might refuse to insure me all together or impose substantial loadings on the policy

Faith+1

macroman wrote: »

The only implication I can see for myself is - I'm 21, I've my bus test on Monday, when this directive comes into force I can see the insurance companies not touching me with a barge pole - working for a family business there'll already a loading for me being under 25, when this comes into effect they might refuse to insure me all together or impose substantial loadings on the policy

It's a bit ridiculous alright Macroman. You can legally buy a house, get married, have kids etc etc yet you can't be trusted driving a Bus. In fact new applicants from January 2013 have to be at at least 24!

Del2005

Faith+1 wrote: »

It's a bit ridiculous alright Macroman. You can legally buy a house, get married, have kids etc etc yet you can't be trusted driving a Bus. In fact new applicants from January 2013 have to be at at least 24!

And they want it to increase the amount of professional drivers:eek::eek:

All I can see this doing is decreasing the amount of professional drivers. As most people will have chosen their profession by 20-22 and couldn't be arsed spending thousands to train up to be a professional driver for minimum wage and all the sh!te that goes with driving heavy vehicles on the roads.

the little trucker

Hi all, this raises a very interesting point. I deliver the driver CPC courses for a number of different training companies around Ireland, and I can tell you that there are NO fresh faced 21 year old drivers on the courses. I would go as far as saying the average age attending is around 45 maybe 50.

A lot of drivers are finding it harder to make ends meet, and with the RSA really ramping up on the number of prosecutions and fines they are bringing against both drivers and companies for driver hours and tachogragh infringements, drivers are rightly concerned about losing their licences, and so their lively hoods. if I messed up the link below, go onto the rsa website, click onto professional drivers and on the right of the page click on prosecutions. A driver I know personally was in court and fined €500. for not taking his breaks

http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Professional%20Drivers/Outcome%20of%20RSA%20Court%20Proceedings%20up%20to%201.2.2012.pdf

My reading of the SI is this. Drivers who have their CPC done can drive the vehicle set out in the second chart. If they do not have the CPC done then they are subject to the first chart, 24 years old for bus.

But I will get onto the RSA to find out for sure and report back.

Faith+1

the little trucker wrote: »

Hi all, this raises a very interesting point. I deliver the driver CPC courses for a number of different training companies around Ireland, and I can tell you that there are NO fresh faced 21 year old drivers on the courses. I would go as far as saying the average age attending is around 45 maybe 50.

I suppose the only upside to all this is that in a few years there will be a shortage of drivers hense work will be easy to find and pay might actually improve?

donkey balls

The issue of drivers getting fined by the RSA for breaking drivers hours etc lays at the feet of the employer and employee,1 it's up to the employer to ensure that the route covered by the driver can be done within both the tacho hrs and WTD hrs,2 if it's the case that the driver can get it done within the hours allocated with all breaks taking accordingly and he brakes the rules intentionaly then he is at fault and I have no sympathy for them.
As for the RSA the lads in enforcement seem ok they use there heads when looking at a drivers cards if there spot on but one might be over the hrs a verbal warning would suffice,Compared to the pr**ks in the uk VOSA(who just happen to be privatised) will do you for going over your hours by 1 minute and who are known to be anti Irish.
As for the driver shortage Faith this could well happen in years to come or else the employers will get in cheap eastern european labour as many Irish companies do at present,Lads working a 15hr day for €80 do the maths it is less than the min wage.
I reckon if i was to start from scratch again with all my qualifications you would be looking in and around the 10k mark that inlcudes exam fees to CILT etc,Yet the salary been offered by some companies is in and around the same as a burger flipper.

the little trucker

Compared to the pr**ks in the uk VOSA(who just happen to be privatised) will do you for going over your hours by 1 minute and who are known to be anti Irish.

This comes a lot Donkey balls in relation to VOSA. I emailed them last year to get clarification on a few things, one of which was their entity. They are a part of the Department of Transport and so a public body.

they will also openly tell everyone that they target certain companies, and unfortunately the Irish trucks have been poor in relation to compliance, hours, weights and so on. They where in Ireland a good bit last year training up the RSA to their standards.. this industry is going to get a big shock and I predict a total close down on the country because hauliers can't make a living as it is.

you are dead right about drivers being exploited. Two man crews now for the price of one. **** and fan comes to mind.

donkey balls

From what I heard regarding the VOSA is they make up some rules as they go along, as for them training in the RSA guys I have heard it before but I reckon it's an urban myth.
I was told by the RSA that fines will be introduced here shortly under EU regs and I would'nt be surprised if lying leo was to privatise the RSA and turn it in to some form of a cash cow:rolleyes:.
Sure all you have to do is read up on stobart and the way he treats his drivers regarding hours etc and the awards some of his former staff got for unfair dismissal.