The Left hook

The Prodigy 2

I noticed that some boxing gyms teach the left hook with the palm of your hand facing the floor instead of yourself.

I guess it's good in someways. your elbow is automatically going to follow through, better for turning off an cutting corners.

I personally think your in danger of badly hurting your shoulder if connected wrong. leading with left hooks with palm facing down is very photographic. I tried it sparring and it just not comfortable for me.

Freddie roach teaches it, and sugar shane also does it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmAFFvdGc_o

tryingmybestt

The Prodigy 2 wrote: »

I noticed that some boxing gyms teach the left hook with the palm of your hand facing the floor instead of yourself.

I guess it's good in someways. your elbow is automatically going to follow through, better for turning off an cutting corners.

I personally think your in danger of badly hurting your shoulder if connected wrong. leading with left hooks with palm facing down is very photographic. I tried it sparring and it just not comfortable for me.

Freddie roach teaches it, and sugar shane also does it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmAFFvdGc_o

to the body or head?

i see from the video it's to the head

i always throw it with palm facing the floor....also lift my elbow high to that its parallell with floor

ppl throw it differently, i think you can get more power this way

most good left hookers threw it like this such as trinidad etc.

The Prodigy 2

I guess really it's what you are most comfortable with!

Like freddie teaches AK left hooks too the head like that. and doing pads with him throwing the left hook with the palm facing the floor. but in fights he throws left hooks palm facing in. i know hes not a great left hooker but, i guess he thinks it's more comfortable that way !

cowzerp

The way most amateur boxers hook is basically a slap with back of the hand almost and lacks power, it's all about point scoring and is more about range than power, personally I think it's terrible technique and struggle to understand how it's considered legal, very rarely seen in pro boxing and that's simply because it's not a good technique.

tryingmybestt

most good amateur boxers throw the left hook properly....ppl like paddy barnes, davy oliver joyce etc. would be examples....

good amateurs use good technique but concentrate more on speed than power

usually its the ****e boxers that slap

cowzerp

cowzerp wrote: »

The way most amateur boxers hook is basically a slap with back of the hand almost and lacks power, it's all about point scoring and is more about range than power, personally I think it's terrible technique and struggle to understand how it's considered legal, very rarely seen in pro boxing and that's simply because it's not a good technique.

Just to add to this the prodigy2 the way that most amateurs hook is taught that way so in theory there doing it right

My point is their doing a bad technique right and as I already said it's rare you will see the top pro's punching this way as there not pointY scoring.

This style of hook was never taught before the computers came in and is basically a slap even when done right.

tryingmybestt

never came across a good trainer teaching a boxer bad technique

i'd say if the trainer is teching his boxer bad technique its because the trainer is **** and knows no better

any trainer i've come across was a stickler for proper technique and were all about turning the shoulders and hips and getting power

although the amateurs is about points, it's important to have good power too as we saw in the ward v egan bout

The Prodigy 2

tryingmybestt wrote: »

never came across a good trainer teaching a boxer bad technique

i'd say if the trainer is teching his boxer bad technique its because the trainer is **** and knows no better

any trainer i've come across was a stickler for proper technique and were all about turning the shoulders and hips and getting power

although the amateurs is about points, it's important to have good power too as we saw in the ward v egan bout

I have definitely came across it before. I sparred against someone who use there hook like that. they step back twist there arm and basically hit you a slap. and i seen him practising it shadow boxing. he was a top enough lad and came out of a decent club.

iii Stevo iii

I was first thought to do it with the palm down.
I generate more power with the palm facing myself.

If I'm in close Ill throw with palm facing myself, from outside I'll throw with palm facing the ground.

walshb

iii Stevo iii wrote: »

I generate more power with the palm facing myself.
.

I can get behid that, and also, it feels a little more natural to me. Less chance of damaging the wrist too I would imagine.

cowzerp

The Prodigy 2 wrote: »

I have definitely came across it before. I sparred against someone who use there hook like that. they step back twist there arm and basically hit you a slap. and i seen him practising it shadow boxing. he was a top enough lad and came out of a decent club.

This is pretty standard in amateur boxing the last few years, i done the Boxing coaching course and when the lad was hitting the pads with the back of the knuckles i was shocked, terrible technique and should be considered a slap, 90% of clubs are teaching it like this as that's how it's taught from the coaching courses, as i said a pro boxer would not do this as it's not strong and not a great technique.

iii Stevo iii wrote: »

I was first thought to do it with the palm down.
I generate more power with the palm facing myself.

If I'm in close Ill throw with palm facing myself, from outside I'll throw with palm facing the ground.

palm down is a legitimate way to hook, personally i don't like it as it is not as strong but it is fine-Nowadays there turning further than palm down and there palm is almost facing out and they hit with the back of the last knuckles-basically a slap and is like a hook from long range-this is considered good before anyone chimes in that some boxers have bad technique etc, what is wrong is the rules and this should be considered a slap and not a clean punch as it would have been when i started boxing.

the chances of hurting the elbow or shoulder from this amateur style hook is also much higher as your arm is in a weakened position.

cowzerp

Just watched the video and what he is teaching is that the elbow follows the hand, spot on, the palm been down is preference as the elbow can follow the hand exact same when facing you, easier actually as its more natural movement, also at the 1st hook he does on the bag he hits it soft with plam down, 2nd hook he turns palm in and hits hard aswell as all the other ones he hits hard, the way i teach it he hits, the soft show ones he hits palm down and not long like in the amateurs so it's not even the same thing anyway, the elbow can't follow the fist the way Amateur boxers are hooking now.

MMAIRELANDFAN

cowzerp wrote: »

Just to add to this the prodigy2 the way that most amateurs hook is taught that way so in theory there doing it right

My point is their doing a bad technique right and as I already said it's rare you will see the top pro's punching this way as there not point scoring.

This style of hook was never taught before the computers came in and is basically a slap even when done right.

tryingmybestt wrote: »

never came across a good trainer teaching a boxer bad technique

i'd say if the trainer is teching his boxer bad technique its because the trainer is **** and knows no better

any trainer i've come across was a stickler for proper technique and were all about turning the shoulders and hips and getting power

although the amateurs is about points, it's important to have good power too as we saw in the ward v egan bout

You just don't read proper do you!

Cowzerp clearly stated the punch is done right legally and is talking about punches that the top amatuers do, but it's actually not a good punch

This is spot on

I was in the stadium for the seniors and the elite where doing this looping hook that you would never see in the Proffessional game

As stated it's basically a slap with palm facing out

The elbow does not follow this type of hook like Freddie Roach was teaching

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db6L8w3oeuE

go to about 2.20 on the video and you see some of these slap hooks

tryingmybestt

MMAIRELANDFAN wrote: »

You just don't read proper do you!

Cowzerp clearly stated the punch is done right legally and is talking about punches that the top amatuers do, but it's actually not a good punch

This is spot on

I was in the stadium for the seniors and the elite where doing this looping hook that you would never see in the Proffessional game

As stated it's basically a slap with palm facing out

The elbow does not follow this type of hook like Freddie Roach was teaching

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db6L8w3oeuE

go to about 2.20 on the video and you see some of these slap hooks

i don't agree with that

my trainer and most of the good amateurs i know throw it properly....as i said ppl like paddy barnes and davey joyce to name a few

MMAIRELANDFAN

tryingmybestt wrote: »

i don't agree with that

my trainer and most of the good amateurs i know throw it properly....as i said ppl like paddy barnes and davey joyce to name a few

What do you not agree with?

do they throw it like Egan at 2.18

if so it's the poor technique that is used in amateur Boxing and all you know so you would think that's correct, as that is how amateurs teach it
poorly, and as said on here although legal it is a slap and weak

show me a good pro Boxer who hooks like that.

cowzerp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiqaAehf1VA

None of these do the slappy technique only seen in the amateurs

Terrible technique and taught this way from the top amateur trainers in ireland

I suppose it's suited to the Amateur points game as it's long and comes over the guard but in my eyes it quite simply is a slap and can't get my head around how it is legal.

it is though so will stay with us in the amateur game
not in the pro game though as it's to soft.

tryingmybestt

MMAIRELANDFAN wrote: »

What do you not agree with?

do they throw it like Egan at 2.18

if so it's the poor technique that is used in amateur Boxing and all you know so you would think that's correct, as that is how amateurs teach it
poorly, and as said on here although legal it is a slap and weak

show me a good pro Boxer who hooks like that.

can u read?

as i said already i don't think most good amateur slap like egan

i already gave examples of barnes and joyce of amateurs who throw the hook properly like roach is showing

tryingmybestt

cowzerp wrote: »

This is pretty standard in amateur boxing the last few years, i done the Boxing coaching course and when the lad was hitting the pads with the back of the knuckles i was shocked, terrible technique and should be considered a slap, 90% of clubs are teaching it like this as that's how it's taught from the coaching courses, as i said a pro boxer would not do this as it's not strong and not a great technique.



palm down is a legitimate way to hook, personally i don't like it as it is not as strong but it is fine-Nowadays there turning further than palm down and there palm is almost facing out and they hit with the back of the last knuckles-basically a slap and is like a hook from long range-this is considered good before anyone chimes in that some boxers have bad technique etc, what is wrong is the rules and this should be considered a slap and not a clean punch as it would have been when i started boxing.

the first paragraph is an insult to amateur boxing and the high performance training.......boxers are not taught to hook with the palm facing in or out.....it's the trainers like Billy Walsh who train, not some idiots on a boxing course

the second point about not getting as much power with the palm facing down is madness......this is the way to get most power......if the elbow is up and the arm is paralell with the floor and the wrist is straight then there is no risk of getting injured and you can get maximum power from the motion of lifting the elbow and hooking at the same time

the third point about hooking with the palm facing OUTWARDS is crazy !!!...never seen it thrown like this and it could cause injury by twisting the wrist

it's unfortunate that a 'Moderator' is forcing his views in everyone's threads because unfortunately those who are inexperienced might believe everything you say because you are a 'Mod' and clearly you are not making sense with some of your points !

colly10

In my first club I was thought that with a short hook the palm faces inwards and the longer the hook the more you turn the hand over so the palm faces the ground.
I ended up getting into a habit of always turning the hand over and had a poor left hook.
Then I joined another club and they said stick with palm facing in and I definitely feel I generated more power with the palm facing in

colly10

tryingmybestt wrote: »

the third point about hooking with the palm facing OUTWARDS is crazy !!!...never seen it thrown like this and it could cause injury by twisting the wrist

Have seen this technique myself done for very long hooks (I was thought it), where the palm is about 45 degrees outwards on landing and the elbow is slightly higher than the fist. It's for point scoring and generates **** all power.
Never picked it up myself cause I thought it was a useless punch

cowzerp

colly10 wrote: »

In my first club I was thought that with a short hook the palm faces inwards and the longer the hook the more you turn the hand over so the palm faces the ground.
I ended up getting into a habit of always turning the hand over and had a poor left hook.
Then I joined another club and they said stick with palm facing in and I definitely feel I generated more power with the palm facing in

Agree with all this,

funny thing is there is a video of Egan doing the hook with his palm turning out and people still don't think it happens, it's taught like that-not in the pro ranks but certainly in amateur Boxing

I've questioned this many times at official meetings and also to refs and have never been called on it

I'm coaching 14 years now and was an ok boxer in my own right

Anyone calls my opinion out again because I'm a mod and they will be out of here, my opinion is as valid as anyone's and I can't post if people are going to use that attack to try get there point across

So with that said Egans hook with billy Walsh, do people think this is good technique or am I on my own thinking this, that is exactly the hooking I don't like.

walshb

colly10 wrote: »

In my first club I was thought that with a short hook the palm faces inwards and the longer the hook the more you turn the hand over so the palm faces the ground.

This is key. For short hooks in close it's imperative to get the hook in speedy and quickly, and being at short range, it's logical that the palm will not have the space or time to be facing the floor. It will more times face the hitter.

tryingmybestt

why pick the one person who throws punches with little power and technique as an example

what about paddy barnes, davey joyce, ward etc.?

these guys throw a hook properly....they train at the high performance team

are they rogue trainers learning their own way?

boxers are usually set in their ways by the time they join high performance.....boxers learn their technique and style primarily in thier own club and every club is different with different styles.....most clubs train totally different.....crumlin would be a good example where phil sutcliffe teaches everyone the 'sugar ray' with hands down and relaxed, thats in contrast to say saviours where a more standard approach is taught

most clubs don't go by what training courses teach because most clubs are taught by former boxers who already have their own style and don't need to be shown how to teach

cowzerp

colly10 wrote: »

Have seen this technique myself done for very long hooks (I was thought it), where the palm is about 45 degrees outwards on landing and the elbow is slightly higher than the fist. It's for point scoring and generates **** all power.
Never picked it up myself cause I thought it was a useless punch

Same here colly i see it all the time and was also shown it when i was in the national team squad training, I'm in the changing room every week with opposing clubs and see the warm ups, this hook is common in Irish boxing and most clubs teach it like so, I also see the fights in the stadium weekly and also have boxers from other clubs come to my gym regularly throwing this technique.

Seems that someone who agrees the technique I'm talking about is poor has issue with me saying it, strange!