Maybe this is why we have no jobs in Ireland...

HellFireClub

Just noticed recently when I was shopping in my local Tesco, (noticed this over several visits), that every person at the counter had a British accent. I had no issue with this, but it seemed to me that the store was mainly staffed by folks who appeared to have been brought over from the UK. When I had a look at their website, I wasn't that surprised to see that no vacancies existed on their Irish website:

http://www.tesco.ie/careers/default.htm?osadcampaign=TLCareers

Without getting into more experiences, the same I think can broadly be said for the following large companies operating in Ireland, (this is just a small sample I can think of at the moment):

http://www.ncts.ie/careers.html

http://www.luas.ie/

http://www.dublinbus.ie/

http://www.irishrail.ie/

These websites and many others, have large portions of their website taken up with waffle about "safety" and their "mission", their "ethics", their "values & culture", and other such corporate bullshít...

Yet in a country that has nearly half a million people on social welfare and where apparently 1,000 people a week are leaving this country in search of work, between them, I can't find one single job advertised on one of their websites???

Even when it wasn't the English, I knew it was the English! Burn Tesco, burn it to the ground. There can be no logical coincidental explanation of this! We must act now, brother revolutionaries!

stargazer 68

HellFireClub wrote: »

Yet in a country that has nearly half a million people on social welfare and where apparently 1,000 people a week are leaving this country in search of work, between them, I can't find one single job advertised on one of their websites???

Maybe because they dont have any vacancies? :rolleyes:

Godge

HellFireClub wrote: »

Just noticed recently when I was shopping in my local Tesco, (noticed this over several visits), that every person at the counter had a British accent. I had no issue with this, but it seemed to me that the store was mainly staffed by folks who appeared to have been brought over from the UK. When I had a look at their website, I wasn't that surprised to see that no vacancies existed on their Irish website:

http://www.tesco.ie/careers/default.htm?osadcampaign=TLCareers

Without getting into more experiences, the same I think can broadly be said for the following large companies operating in Ireland, (this is just a small sample I can think of at the moment):

http://www.ncts.ie/careers.html

http://www.luas.ie/

http://www.dublinbus.ie/

http://www.irishrail.ie/

These websites and many others, have large portions of their website taken up with waffle about "safety" and their "mission", their "ethics", their "values & culture", and other such corporate bullshít...

Yet in a country that has nearly half a million people on social welfare and where apparently 1,000 people a week are leaving this country in search of work, between them, I can't find one single job advertised on one of their websites???

(1) doesn't apply in my local Tesco, most accents are local
(2) not all jobs are got from websites, some companies get enough people dropping in CVs so they don't need to advertise
(3) There is a vague hint of xenophobia to your post

HellFireClub

Godge wrote: »

(1) doesn't apply in my local Tesco, most accents are local
(2) not all jobs are got from websites, some companies get enough people dropping in CVs so they don't need to advertise
(3) There is a vague hint of xenophobia to your post

(1) It certainly apply's in my local Tesco.

(2) Are you trying to tell me that folks looking for a job, make a decision to come over to Tesco stores in Ireland from the UK to hand in CV's?

(3) There is absolutely nothing xenophobic about suggesting that someone living in Ireland, might just like the chance to be able to apply for a job in this country, on the same basis as a person who appears to be from another country.

My argument here is not about folks from the UK or anywhere else getting jobs in Ireland, all I'm asking is that how on earth can people from outside this state appear to be aware of jobs over here, when Irish people appear to not be able to see the same opportunities on large company websites??? There is absolutely nothing xenophobic about asking that question...

WhatNowForUs?

HellFireClub wrote: »

Just noticed recently when I was shopping in my local Tesco, (noticed this over several visits), that every person at the counter had a British accent. I had no issue with this, but it seemed to me that the store was mainly staffed by folks who appeared to have been brought over from the UK. When I had a look at their website, I wasn't that surprised to see that no vacancies existed on their Irish website:

http://www.tesco.ie/careers/default.htm?osadcampaign=TLCareers

Without getting into more experiences, the same I think can broadly be said for the following large companies operating in Ireland, (this is just a small sample I can think of at the moment):

http://www.ncts.ie/careers.html

http://www.luas.ie/

http://www.dublinbus.ie/

http://www.irishrail.ie/

These websites and many others, have large portions of their website taken up with waffle about "safety" and their "mission", their "ethics", their "values & culture", and other such corporate bullshít...

Yet in a country that has nearly half a million pseople on social welfare and where apparently 1,000 people a week are leaving this country in search of work, between them, I can't find one single job advertised on one of their websites???

so they would bring people all the way from England to work on a till. Em! could you find out if they pay for acc. and travel.

HellFireClub

Dovies wrote: »

Maybe because they dont have any vacancies? :rolleyes:

http://www.tesco.ie/careers/default.htm?osadcampaign=TLCareers

Quote from the Tesco company website:

"Tesco Ireland employs over 14,000 employees and we are constantly told that our staff team is the company’s best asset."

I fail to see how a company employing over 14,000 people in this state would never have a need for more staff, due to natural attrition, maternity leave, natural internal promotion, etc...

Mena

How do you know these people have not been living here for the past 20 years? What's to say they've been "imported"?

Cuddlesworth

Why the hell would Tesco import low-skill low wage workers?

seamus

HellFireClub wrote: »

My argument here is not about folks from the UK or anywhere else getting jobs in Ireland, all I'm asking is that how on earth can people from outside this state appear to be aware of jobs over here, when Irish people appear to not be able to see the same opportunities on large company websites??? There is absolutely nothing xenophobic about asking that question...

If someone is living in the state, then they have exactly the same ability to be aware of a job, regardless of their nationality.

I fail to see why you're assuming that someone must have "come over" from the UK (or any other country) to get this job. Isn't it infinitely more likely that they were already living here?

FWIW, I don't recall ever hearing a UK accent working in my local Tesco (Rathfarnham). Tesco Dundrum has a few Polish/Eastern European staff, but plenty of Irish too.

HellFireClub

WhatNowForUs? wrote: »

so they would bring people all the way from England to work on a till. Em! could you find out if they pay for acc. and travel.

I'd say this could be part of some kind of internal relocation program, the same could be said for Tesco in Dundrum, you would strugge to find a single Irish person working there.

I need to be very very clear about this: I have absolutely no problem with any person, regardless of where they are from, who is legally entitled to apply for a job in this jurisdiction, doing so.

However, I have a huge problem with what appear to be an awful lot of jobs, being made available/advertised exclusively to people who do not live in Ireland, while people who do live here, are not afforded the same courtesy in terms of being made aware of the same opportunities.

It's hard to see how these companies can be taken seriously when it comes to "equality", something they tend to have an awful lot to say about, when they appeaer to not be providing people living in Ireland with basic information on job availibility.

Why English people then? I mean, they're Irish people with different accents, and vice versa!

HellFireClub

seamus wrote: »

If someone is living in the state, then they have exactly the same ability to be aware of a job, regardless of their nationality.

I fail to see why you're assuming that someone must have "come over" from the UK to get this job. Isn't it infinitely more likely that they were already living here?

FWIW, I don't recall ever hearing a UK accent working in my local Tesco (Rathfarnham).

I find it hard to understand how in a small enough rural Irish town, every single employee on the checkout I've spoken with in the last two months has a UK accent.

If you are on the Luas and you have your ticket checked, (I was living in Dublin until recently and I've had my ticket checked about 20-30 times last year while on the Luas), but somehow the ticket checker always seemed to be African, without a single exception.

All I'm asking is how come when I visit these websites to see if there are any job opportunities, there are consistently none, and I'm asking is: why is that???

I have no problem with folks who are here legally, applying for jobs, but I think it is in fact nothing less than racist in itself, if these jobs are somehow being filled by default from outside of Ireland, while they are not being advertised here in this state, as it appears to me that it isn't.

It's also a racist policy if it excludes Irish people from job opportunities.

seamus

HellFireClub wrote: »

However, I have a huge problem with what appear to be an awful lot of jobs, being made available/advertised exclusively to people who do not live in Ireland

You have absolutely no basis on which to assume that this is happening.

I find it hard to understand how in a small enough rural Irish town, every single employee on the checkout I've spoken with in the last two months has a UK accent.

It seems you have a short memory HFC
It wasn't long ago that it seemed that every "low level" public-facing job was occupied by a non-Irish worker. And this was because Irish people simply didn't apply for these jobs. We didn't bat an eyelid.
Now that the recession has hit, why would the non-Irish people suddenly vacate the positions that they've been holding?

You're assuming that these businesses have the same level of staff turnover that they had during the boom. They don't. That's why there's no sudden influx of Irish people into these positions.

All I'm asking is how come when I visit these websites to see if there are any job opportunities, there are consistently none, and I'm asking is: why is that???

Do you check all of these websites every day? Larger companies with thousands of employees rarely advertise these positions on websites. Advertisements for low-level positions are typically done locally or not at all - applications are taken on an ongoing basis and consideration given on a first-come basis.

Beginning a Career with Tesco

If you are interested in working for any of our branches please be aware that our stores manage their own recruitment needs.

To apply for General Assistant vacancies in any of our stores please contact the store that you are interested in working for directly.

OP unless you have something to back all this up this is conspiracy theory stuff and I'm locking it
"i don't like foreign accents in my local" is not proof of anything

Godge

HellFireClub wrote: »

I'd say this could be part of some kind of internal relocation program, the same could be said for Tesco in Dundrum, you would strugge to find a single Irish person working there.

I need to be very very clear about this: I have absolutely no problem with any person, regardless of where they are from, who is legally entitled to apply for a job in this jurisdiction, doing so.

However, I have a huge problem with what appear to be an awful lot of jobs, being made available/advertised exclusively to people who do not live in Ireland, while people who do live here, are not afforded the same courtesy in terms of being made aware of the same opportunities.

It's hard to see how these companies can be taken seriously when it comes to "equality", something they tend to have an awful lot to say about, when they appeaer to not be providing people living in Ireland with basic information on job availibility.

But, apart from a few accents in your local store, you have produced no evidence that this is happening. I know of people who got jobs in my local Tesco and in Dublin Bus because they went and knocked on the door and handed in CVs. Companies are getting people with a bit of initiative and who actually want to work.

Also a poster from Rathfarnham and myself from Dublin 15 have said we don't hear UK accents in our stores so the score stands at 2:1 in anecdotal terms against your idea.

Now, consider this, if I am right and you can get a job in Tesco by going round to the manager and handing in your CV, couldn't I make a case about Irish accented dole recipients in your area and their lack of get-up-and-go compared to British-accented dole recipients (whether in Ireland or the UK). Alternatively, even if you are right, maybe Tesco in your local area was getting no interest from people locally on the dole and looked abroad as a result.

People nowadays think they can have jobs handed on a plate to them. I have got jobs over the year that were adverstised, some that were word-of-mouth and some where I rang up a company and told them I would be interested in working for them. My first job was got by going round when a student handing in loads of CVs to various places.

Ben D Bus

Maybe they're returned Irish emigrants who picked up the accent during their exile. Would that make you feel better :rolleyes:

old hippy

I often bump into people here who claim that there's a Pole working in every shop/pub. Before that, it was an Aussie in every shop/pub. Always someone to complain about :rolleyes:

I've noticed a lot of my fellow Irish here in London, more than ever. But when I hear people say "Irish everywhere" I take it with a pinch of salt.

Defiler Of The Coffin

Maybe there isn't as many Irish people working in those jobs because they're making just as much on the dole?

HellFireClub

bluewolf wrote: »

Beginning a Career with Tesco

If you are interested in working for any of our branches please be aware that our stores manage their own recruitment needs.

To apply for General Assistant vacancies in any of our stores please contact the store that you are interested in working for directly.

OP unless you have something to back all this up this is conspiracy theory stuff and I'm locking it
"i don't like foreign accents in my local" is not proof of anything

Right, we'll leave the accents out of it and we'll concentrate on the facts and nothing else.

Very simple question for you. Where is Tesco, a company that claims to employ 14,000 people in Ireland, advertising jobs that arise in Ireland? Luas, NCT, etc, large organisations operating in Ireland, where are they advertising jobs that arise within their organisations?

I'm not looking for a job, so I can't claim to have checked these sites every day, I just find it amazing that NONE of these large organisations are advertising jobs in this jurisdiction in a transparent manner.

And why on earth do you feel so overtaken by such a simple fundamental question that you feel the need to lock this thread??? Are we now that utterly backward as a country where we can't even ask why some of our biggest empployers and brands in the state don't advertise jobs in this state in a transparent manner???

Defiler Of The Coffin

HellFireClub wrote: »

Right, we'll leave the accents out of it and we'll concentrate on the facts and nothing else.

Very simple question for you. Where is Tesco, a company that claims to employ 14,000 people in Ireland, advertising jobs that arise in Ireland? Luas, NCT, etc, large organisations operating in Ireland, where are they advertising jobs that arise within their organisations?

I'm not looking for a job, so I can't claim to have checked these sites every day, I just find it amazing that NONE of these large organisations are advertising jobs in this jurisdiction in a transparent manner.

And why on earth do you feel so overtaken by such a simple fundamental question that you feel the need to lock this thread??? Are we now that utterly backward as a country where we can't even ask why some of our biggest empployers and brands in the state don't advertise jobs in this state in a transparent manner???

They don't need to waste money advertising jobs, they get plenty of CVs handed in. They are a private company, they don't need to be transparent if they don't want to be.

old hippy

HellFireClub wrote: »

Right, we'll leave the accents out of it and we'll concentrate on the facts and nothing else.

Very simple question for you. Where is Tesco, a company that claims to employ 14,000 people in Ireland, advertising jobs that arise in Ireland? Luas, NCT, etc, large organisations operating in Ireland, where are they advertising jobs that arise within their organisations?

I'm not looking for a job, so I can't claim to have checked these sites every day, I just find it amazing that NONE of these large organisations are advertising jobs in this jurisdiction in a transparent manner.

And why on earth do you feel so overtaken by such a simple fundamental question that you feel the need to lock this thread??? Are we now that utterly backward as a country where we can't even ask why some of our biggest empployers and brands in the state don't advertise jobs in this state in a transparent manner???

If you're not looking for a job, why so much concern? Live and let live...

HellFireClub

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

Maybe there isn't as many Irish people working in those jobs because they're making just as much on the dole?

If that's the case, is it not something we should be putting to our MNC's like Tesco and asking them could they not perhaps be a bit more resourceful and broadminded with regard to maybe giving people who are on the dole, equal information about jobs in their locality???

I don't buy this whole, "just walk in with a CV and you'll get a job" thing, I've always understood that you only apply for a job when you become aware that there is a vacancy.

For pig iron, I've a mate who owns a small centra shop and he advertises jobs in his shop window and usually an Irish person applies for a job, he says they want to pick their own days & hours that they work, whereas his experience is that non nationals will work whatever hours they are given, so maybe you have a point there...

seamus

HellFireClub wrote: »

Are we now that utterly backward as a country where we can't even ask why some of our biggest empployers and brands in the state don't advertise jobs in this state in a transparent manner???

Again, you're assuming this is not the case because you looked at their websites and saw no jobs.

The first step would be to go off and investigate the recruitment processes for each of these companies and then come back to us when you have any evidence that they don't advertise openly and transparently.

HellFireClub

HellFireClub wrote: »

Right, we'll leave the accents out of it and we'll concentrate on the facts and nothing else.

Very simple question for you. Where is Tesco, a company that claims to employ 14,000 people in Ireland, advertising jobs that arise in Ireland? Luas, NCT, etc, large organisations operating in Ireland, where are they advertising jobs that arise within their organisations?

The stores manage their own needs. It says it right there on their website. They also are advertising 3 general jobs on the site right now that I can see.

I'm not looking for a job, so I can't claim to have checked these sites every day, I just find it amazing that NONE of these large organisations are advertising jobs in this jurisdiction in a transparent manner.

You're not looking for a job, you're not checking the website - you're just starting this thread because you can't see the 3 jobs available right now?

And why on earth do you feel so overtaken by such a simple fundamental question that you feel the need to lock this thread??? Are we now that utterly backward as a country where we can't even ask why some of our biggest empployers and brands in the state don't advertise jobs in this state in a transparent manner???

because "isn't it annoying that my local is full of foreign accents? there must be a conspiracy here" is not a suitable standard of discussion for this forum.

It is hearsay and has no facts whatsoever, except that a few places currently have no jobs. In a recession where unemployment is a bit higher than usual, forgive me if I'm not gobsmacked by this.

I suggest if you want to start a discussion on this, you go off and investigate as seamus has said, and come back to me when you have something more concrete.

Yonge Street

OP you certainly do have a right to ask the question. Suppressing talk like this does more to promote racism than actually asking these questions.

1. Tesco or any other large multi-national company are under no legal obligation to hire Irish people over foreigners. Although hiring locals would be a good marketing strategy from a PR point of view. Dunnes Stores claim "they're better cos they're Irish" as their slogan. Mind you, their staff does seem to compose of a lot of foreigners too.

2. In the eyes of the EU, there is no difference between a Polish, British or Irish person. We're all EU nationals and can work freely in any other EU state without a visa. Not sure how thousands of Africans and Chinese got granted work permits during a recession with over 400,000 unemployed though. Unless they're illegals and that's a whole new can of worms.

3. I understand your frustration at not being able to find a job in your home country. Thousands of young college graduates are emigrating each month, so you're not alone. Perhaps search for work outside the retail sector? It's notoriously competitive to get into as it requires zero skills or education and foreigners will jump at the chance to work in McDonalds or Tescos etc.

HellFireClub

old hippy wrote: »

If you're not looking for a job, why so much concern? Live and let live...

Because as an employer (who does advertise jobs on my website), I also pay substantial tax and I don't think it's right that people are on the dole and this is possibly for want of basic information about a job opportunity. I say this as someone who was on the dole for a year up until the start of last year, and I started up a small business that is now thriving, because I simply couldn't find a job! So I've nothing to hide in relation to my debating position here and if you care to check my post history, what I've just said will be backed up my previous posts I've made.