Chancers- selling at marts or home-funny stories?

Bleating Lamb

Was in mart last wkd.....ya gotta love some chancers....some fella selling around ten supposedly springing heifirs/cows....announced them as "all scanned in calf...2 or 3 months in calf...not all of them might be in calf".....I kid you not!...the few lads around me started falling around laughing...they all looked light enough of their bodies....and yet they were all bought and not that cheaply either...
Anyone got other Del Boy type stories?.

Bodacious

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

Was in mart last wkd.....ya gotta love some chancers....some fella selling around ten supposedly springing heifirs/cows....announced them as "all scanned in calf...2 or 3 months in calf...not all of them might be in calf".....I kid you not!...the few lads around me started falling around laughing...they all looked light enough of their bodies....and yet they were all bought and not that cheaply either...
Anyone got other Del Boy type stories?.

Yep when you see a cracking local three year old heifer rolling into the mart.. ¨suitable for breeding.. cycling regularly¨ and her after getting 3 rounds of AI and 2 locals bulls but no use

Figerty

Had a fella call to the shed a few years ago to 'buy' weanlings.. He was close to the sale price only one ( the worst one)..but the youngest and the best weanling he was telling me wasn't worth much. Would be doing me a favour taking them... I said I'd take my chances in the mart.

I took them to mart,, jaysus he was sick looking at the prices I got.

He does cod a few of the old farmers who don't dehorn and wean properly.

bob charles

I have seen plenty in my time,

A good young cow sold with month old good bull calf a foot, when the buyer went to get the animal for loading the cow had a heifer calf at foot:D:D,

Now and again have seen when a we have offered a good price for a private sale only for the farmer to decline. He then turns up at the mart a few days later and sells the animals for less than I was offering. box panic I call it

I have often see animals making only a tenner more in the mart than we were offering in the field, when the guy takes his time, transport and fees from it he is in negative territory .

Donegal09

The uncle bought a 3 year old springing heifer back in december, lovely animal. Lost the calf and she wouldnt walk for about a week after calving, shes still very very sore. Checked up the records and apparantly she had calved when she was a year and a half old !

redzerologhlen

2 neighbours only a month ago. One of them bought the ten best heifers the other lad had off him. All was well and good and he dropped the heifers down a few days later. Only thing is he had changed 5 of them and given him 5 c**ts of things. Your man spotted it and war followed. Brought the heifers back up to him. He is the talk of the parish now for doing it and you could nearly write a book on him he has so many fast ones pulled and he's only 21!! Some chancer!!!

leg wax

this happened 3 weeks ago ,i put a add in the comic looking for a part bull to run with the cows,now i put it under the part section of the comic,i got a phone call on the saturday from a clown who was very happy to supply me the bull that i really needed a lim bull.

island of tighe

regularly at carrick mart south tipp the auctioneer gets the instruction from dealers selling very average sim/lim/aa cattle and declares them as belgian blues!!!!!.this leads to smiles around the ring as the only bit of blue in them would be the blue marking spray on their backs

Bleating Lamb

Said I would post this one up again...as if its anything like here,plenty of time to watch rain out the windows....we had hailstones today.....any new stories out there?

whelan1

saw on dairy part of dd today, incalf heifers free in kerry

johngalway

local fella brought 90 lambs to the mart one Saturday. Dealer from Dublin bought them, and they were loading away. Problem... Dealer counts 89, farmer insists there's 90!

About turn, every hoof out of the trailer again back down between the pens. Two of them at the trailer door, up they go again, dealer says..... 89..... Farmer :mad: 90!

And down we go once more, back between the pens. Quite a crowd has gathered by now. Back up the ramp, about 20 people counting :pac: Dealer and every one else 89.... Farmer

pakalasa

This happened a long time ago in my area. There was a local herdsman who would count the cattle he was in charge of from a distance, in over the hedge if you like. A couple of local guys 'stole' a few of the cattle and sold them at a local fair. They bought the same number of smaller cattle and put them back in the field. It was a while before anyone noticed what happened.

Sam Kade

whelan1 wrote: »

saw on dairy part of dd today, incalf heifers free in kerry

That's only some clown that thinks his friend will be getting lots of phone calls after putting up the ad.

Snowc

I bought fertile chicken eggs outside a mart before and a few weeks later the hatched in to this this

Farmer Pudsey

In a mart near me there are a couple of brothers part time dealers bring scrawney cattle and they take off, 8 times out 0f 10 at the end when they are at about 3 euro's/kg the auctioneer is looking around for a victim then no sale now and again some plonker forgets to keep his hand in his pocket and his head down

bob charles

Auctioneer announces "here we have 8 good bullocks", most of the lads are interest around the ring so off we go, up to a serious price and the hammer falls (thankfully not to me), cattle go out the gate and the into the pen for loading - there were only 7 cattle in the pen and only 7 cattle entered the ring, expensive lesson learned for the buyer/finisher:D:D

snowman707

spotted a pen of classy belclare ewe X lambs in the mart a couple of years just as the auctioneer was coming to them , thought a couple had rough heads but went ahead and bought them at a fairly high price, checked them and found 3 clean whethers threw up the lot, seller pleaded with me to keep the the ewes and it was a genuine mistake, told him to stuff them , didn't wait to find out how he got on with them after that.

easymoney!

Lad i know through being around few marts got a big pay out for an accident recently, hes about 20 or so anyway started buying up lambs and cull ewes and factorying them.... got carried away with what he was giving for them and what the factory was paying owes 3 marts 1000s of euro and hes gone into hiding!!!

Bizzum

bob charles wrote: »

Auctioneer announces "here we have 8 good bullocks", most of the lads are interest around the ring so off we go, up to a serious price and the hammer falls (thankfully not to me), cattle go out the gate and the into the pen for loading - there were only 7 cattle in the pen and only 7 cattle entered the ring, expensive lesson learned for the buyer/finisher:D:D

How would this work for the buyer?
Any time I bought a lot with multiple cattle the bid was taken for one and multiplied by the number. Eg 4 heifers at €950 each would be bid to €950 and not €3800. Nobody would pay for a heifer that wasn't there would they?

Manoffeeling

bob charles wrote: »

Auctioneer announces "here we have 8 good bullocks", most of the lads are interest around the ring so off we go, up to a serious price and the hammer falls (thankfully not to me), cattle go out the gate and the into the pen for loading - there were only 7 cattle in the pen and only 7 cattle entered the ring, expensive lesson learned for the buyer/finisher:D:D

That doesn't make sense. No mart would allow this to happen. The gross weight divided by the number of cattle.

bob charles

Manoffeeling wrote: »

That doesn't make sense. No mart would allow this to happen. The gross weight divided by the number of cattle.

Sorry I'm wrong there were declared as 7 cattle but instead there were 8 so the buyer taught the animals were much heavier than their actual weight. so for example the total weight was say 2800kilos (400kilos apiece for 7 animals) but in fact it was 2800kilos divided by 8 animals (350kilos apiece). the guy bought them thinking they were 400kilos apiece and based his price accordingly. I must ask the lads tomorrow and get a refresh of the full facts

bob charles

Bizzum wrote: »

How would this work for the buyer?
Any time I bought a lot with multiple cattle the bid was taken for one and multiplied by the number. Eg 4 heifers at €950 each would be bid to €950 and not €3800. Nobody would pay for a heifer that wasn't there would they?

quite right, I told the story arse ways:rolleyes:

Manoffeeling

bob charles wrote: »

quite right, I told the story arse ways:rolleyes:

I like someone who admits they made a mistake.

bob charles

Manoffeeling wrote: »

I like someone who admits they made a mistake.

sorry I made a mistake in admitting I was wrong, actually I was right. now what was the question

bob charles

nice charolais cow sold with a smashing bull calf at foot, when the buyer when to load the cow she had a nice heifer calf at foot . That was from back in the days when a bull calf was worth way more. The seller is a right chancer but I have often dealt with him since, and get on the finest but you would want to have your eyes open.

Manoffeeling

I saw a calf dealer selling a calf with a scour. He held the calf by the tail, but with his finger up its arse. This same guy also so a blind calf to an oul lad I know. I try to avoid him.

Bizzum

bob charles wrote: »

quite right, I told the story arse ways:rolleyes:

Could happen a bishop!:)

bob charles

Bizzum wrote: »

Could happen a bishop!:)

I dono, never seen a bishop buying cattle:D:D, have seen a priest. My dad has a funny story about a bullock donated and fatten for the parish coffers but can't for the life of me think what it was. will find out

Bizzum

bob charles wrote: »

I dono, never seen a bishop buying cattle:D:D, have seen a priest.

Somewhat related story..............A parish not too far from me had a very wheelin an dealing pp, Fr Murphy. He used to buy and sell cars and was locally known as Diesel Murphy.

bob charles

Bizzum wrote: »

Somewhat related story..............A parish not too far from me had a very wheelin an dealing pp, Fr Murphy. He used to buy and sell cars and was locally known as Diesel Murphy.

Jewelry dealer prayer man not so far from here

Bizzum

bob charles wrote: »

Jewelry dealer prayer man not so far from here

Would you let him inspect you ring?;)

bob charles

Bizzum wrote: »

Would you let him inspect you ring?;)

mostly women he deals with seemly

Good loser

A friend bought a pedigree Hereford bull some years ago for his 25 cow herd.

The first year only half the calves were Hereford. The seller was invited to call and when shown the 'evidence' told my friend that this sometimes happened for the first year but they would be okay thereafter.

pakalasa

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

In a mart near me there are a couple of brothers part time dealers .....

That's not in Tipp, by any chance is it?

Manoffeeling

Bizzum wrote: »

Somewhat related story..............A parish not too far from me had a very wheelin an dealing pp, Fr Murphy. He used to buy and sell cars and was locally known as Diesel Murphy.

Somewhere in Kildare? If its the same guy, he used to sell sand and gravel in Laois.

Farmer Pudsey

bob charles wrote: »

Sorry I'm wrong there were declared as 7 cattle but instead there were 8 so the buyer taught the animals were much heavier than their actual weight. so for example the total weight was say 2800kilos (400kilos apiece for 7 animals) but in fact it was 2800kilos divided by 8 animals (350kilos apiece). the guy bought them thinking they were 400kilos apiece and based his price accordingly. I must ask the lads tomorrow and get a refresh of the full facts

Would make little or no difference and more than likly the seller lost

total weight
4000kgs/8==500kgs
4000kgs/7==571kgs

empty 500kgs cattle will not make more than good 570 kgs more than likly the finisher gave a few bob more than what 500kg cattle were making as he either thaught they were empty or weighted wrong but he did not pay as much as what 570 kg cattle would have made. It wouldn't work the other way around either.

Muckit

bob charles wrote: »

Auctioneer announces "here we have 8 good bullocks", most of the lads are interest around the ring so off we go, up to a serious price and the hammer falls (thankfully not to me), cattle go out the gate and the into the pen for loading - there were only 7 cattle in the pen and only 7 cattle entered the ring, expensive lesson learned for the buyer/finisher:D:D

I don't get it bob.. am I missing something? In the marts around here doubles and groups are sold as if there were only one in the ring. Your total is the final bid X by the number of animals sold. So in essence you are bidding an average price for the lot.

Muckit

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

total weight
4000kgs/8==500kgs
4000kgs/7==571kgs

Average weight would have been shown on the board. No need for sums

rancher

Muckit wrote: »

I don't get it bob.. am I missing something? In the marts around here doubles and groups are sold as if there were only one in the ring. Your total is the final bid X by the number of animals sold. So in essence you are bidding an average price for the lot.

Don't get it either....sounds like a story more suited to the pub than boards

Tipp Man

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Would make little or no difference and more than likly the seller lost

total weight
4000kgs/8==500kgs
4000kgs/7==571kgs

empty 500kgs cattle will not make more than good 570 kgs more than likly the finisher gave a few bob more than what 500kg cattle were making as he either thaught they were empty or weighted wrong but he did not pay as much as what 570 kg cattle would have made. It wouldn't work the other way around either.

It is very simple for the buyer to be down a thousand EUR or more on 8 cattle

if the weight was wrong by 70kg - allowing a low price of 2 - 2.50 per kg that's well over 150 per bullock - for 8 cattle well over the thousand mark

People may think that this is a pub story or whatever but I can say for definite that this same thing has happened in a mart that we buy and sell in only last year. It is a very easy mistake when there is a big bunch - how many times do you see bunches put back into the scales from the ring - it is nearly always because they get the number wrong

In the marts we buy and sell in very few cattle are sold as singles (thank god) - mostly sold in 3-5's and we often sell in bunches of 8-10 - its easily happened

lilbelter

A few years ago I bought five ch bullocks together at an average weight of 380kg. So all that was listed on the board was the age of oldest and youngest, which was posted as being 12-14months. When I got the cards the 5 were stapled together and I thought nothing of it. When I got home I discovered that the cards were order chronologically alright but the second to last one was a year older...Chancer!!

Bizzum

Manoffeeling wrote: »

Somewhere in Kildare? If its the same guy, he used to sell sand and gravel in Laois.

Spot on!

rancher

Tipp Man wrote: »

- how many times do you see bunches put back into the scales from the ring - it is nearly always because they get the number wrong

As you say, mistakes are always put back into the scales, does'nt the auctioneers assistant also have a list of the entries, I've seen cattle being sent back to get another animal. I'd say its well watched,

Pharaoh1

Local mart had (and still has) a very old type scales with the needle.
You know the one where the operator can pull a handle to reduce the weight by a factor of ten if a large number of cattle are on the scales and a different scale is used on the display. 500kg becomes 5000kg etc..

Much like the older domestic weighing scales there was a knurled thumbscrew at the back for zeroing the display when empty.
Some craftier sellers would bring an extra long cattle stick and were able to nudge the screw on a bit without being seen and put an extra few kilo on their cattle and then nudge it back to zero when their lots had gone through.

bob charles

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Would make little or no difference and more than likly the seller lost

total weight
4000kgs/8==500kgs
4000kgs/7==571kgs

empty 500kgs cattle will not make more than good 570 kgs more than likly the finisher gave a few bob more than what 500kg cattle were making as he either thaught they were empty or weighted wrong but he did not pay as much as what 570 kg cattle would have made. It wouldn't work the other way around either.

Muckit wrote: »

I don't get it bob.. am I missing something? In the marts around here doubles and groups are sold as if there were only one in the ring. Your total is the final bid X by the number of animals sold. So in essence you are bidding an average price for the lot.

I made a correction to the original post shortly after posting it as below. Where we buy cattle its the total weight show and the clerk must enter the number to divide the total weigh so the individual weight appears on the board. Remember if you contest weight you will be told that the weight of the cattle is only and indication

Correction
Sorry I'm wrong there were declared as 7 cattle but instead there were 8 so the buyer taught the animals were much heavier than their actual weight. so for example the total weight was say 2800kilos (400kilos apiece for 7 animals) but in fact it was 2800kilos divided by 8 animals (350kilos apiece). the guy bought them thinking they were 400kilos apiece and based his price accordingly. I must ask the lads tomorrow and get a refresh of the full facts

Manoffeeling

bob charles wrote: »

I made a correction to the original post shortly after posting it as below. Where we buy cattle its the total weight show and the clerk must enter the number to divide the total weigh so the individual weight appears on the board. Remember if you contest weight you will be told that the weight of the cattle is only and indication

Correction
Sorry I'm wrong there were declared as 7 cattle but instead there were 8 so the buyer taught the animals were much heavier than their actual weight. so for example the total weight was say 2800kilos (400kilos apiece for 7 animals) but in fact it was 2800kilos divided by 8 animals (350kilos apiece). the guy bought them thinking they were 400kilos apiece and based his price accordingly. I must ask the lads tomorrow and get a refresh of the full facts

What bob is saying is that the clerk divided the total weight by 7 when there were 8 on the scales, giving a heavier weight, an honest mistake and a tip for the guy on the scales!

Tipp Man

rancher wrote: »

As you say, mistakes are always put back into the scales, does'nt the auctioneers assistant also have a list of the entries, I've seen cattle being sent back to get another animal. I'd say its well watched,

It is well watched - but there are definite cases where it slips under the radar - bob know 1 and i know another

That said it's rare as hen's teeth i'd say