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EGR valve cleaning.

  • 08-02-2012 9:17pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭


    I did a bit of a job on the Astra today which I said I'd take a few pics of as a bit of a 'how to' perhaps.

    As most of us know there are several problems associated with modern diesels and I started having one of them over the last week or two.

    I developed an intermittent EGR flow fault and after some further diagnostics, was happy that it wasn't the EGR valve/solenoid itself but likely to be a clogged pipe or EGR ports.

    So, on my day off, back under a bonnet again:rolleyes: to strip the EGR system and give it all a clean.

    On my engine(Opel 1.7cdti) this is actually a more involved job then the majority of other engines due to the EGR valve being part of the throttle body housing, but it still may give people a better idea of what's involved.


    Start stripping, battery, battery tray, IC pipes etc had to come out;
    DSCF3199.jpg

    The black housing behind the throttle body is the EGR housing, As I said, on other engines this is much more accessible and is separate to other parts;
    DSCF3200.jpg


    When I stripped the EGR/throttle body housing and intake pipe, I was actually shocked at how much build up there was.....and how the engine was running as well as it was before now:eek:
    Intake pipe;
    DSCF3201.jpg
    DSCF3202.jpg

    EGR housing;
    DSCF3203.jpg
    DSCF3204.jpg

    Before starting on the above build up I checked the EGR valve/solenoid as it can be the case that gasses/deposits can get up through the valve and into the valve spring and solenoid, causing them to stick, leading to failure.
    In my case, they were spotless and moving freely;
    Sign of the engines origin;
    DSCF3205.jpg
    In the vast majority of applications, the solenoid/actuator housing can be removed from the EGR valve;
    DSCF3206.jpg


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,025 ✭✭✭✭-Corkie-


    Great post and pics as per usual Doc. There is some amount of crap in it.. How is it running since..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    So onto cleaning.

    I used an old screw driver to scrape the heavy stuff off and unblock the EGR ports and then, for the EGR housing its self, used a wire brush to remove the remaining deposits.

    Much better;
    DSCF3208.jpg

    EGR housing/valve/solenoid back together;
    DSCF3209.jpg

    Now for the more awkward part, The badly blocked intake pipe and even more so, the inlet manifold itself.

    The first goat the pipe;
    DSCF3210.jpg

    After getting some of the heavy deposits out, onto the trick to get the remaining stuff out.....leave it soaking in oven cleaner:D
    DSCF3211.jpg

    While that was soaking I moved onto the inlet manifold. Ideally, this would be removed and cleaned throughout but in my case, most of the common rail system has to come out to remove the manifold, which, I really wasn't inclined to do this time.

    The build up in the manifold;
    DSCF3213.jpg

    My plan for not letting lots of loosened carbon deposits get in through the valves and make a mess of everything was to hoover while I removed the deposits...so, out of the garage and around to the house to use the hoover(the wife wasn't home luckily:P)
    DSCF3214.jpg
    Seal around the hoover to make sure all loose carbon get removed;
    DSCF3215.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭bryaner


    Good work dude but I feel for the poor hoover..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,025 ✭✭✭✭-Corkie-


    bryaner wrote: »
    Good work dude but I feel for the poor hoover..

    I was expecting him to wash them in the Dishwasher....:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    The inlet manifold looking a bit better;
    DSCF3217.jpg


    And, after a hour of soaking in the oven cleaner, then intake pipe looks a little better;
    DSCF3220.jpg
    DSCF3221.jpg

    After putting everything back together off I went for a test drive with the diagnostics attached.
    Immediately, throttle response is noticeably improved, boost is building faster and smoother and top end/high rpm, where the restriction would have had the most effect, is vastly improved. She used to fly up to 120kp/h and then start to die off(triggering limp home mode over the last week or so), now the same acceleration gets up to 155-160kp/h(on a private road:P) before tailing off. No doubt economy will be improved too.


    Cleaning an EGR like this would give most diesels a marked improvement as the deposit build up, especially when used a lot in the city, often leads to many of the EGR issues that modern diesels suffer from, and with the latest craze for diesels, will become even more common.

    If you have a go at cleaning it out yourself you may well save yourself a good few quid on future repairs.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭Avns1s


    Well done Nissan Doctor.


    A sticky perhaps???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,025 ✭✭✭✭-Corkie-


    I am suprised yours was so clogged when you have such a long motorway spin everyday???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    -Corkie- wrote: »
    I am suprised yours was so clogged when you have such a long motorway spin everyday???


    I was surprised it was that bad myself, but, although I've put nearly 20k on it in 5 months, the 106k that it did before I bought it seems like it was almost all around Dublin city.

    I was more surprised is was running fine up until last week with a build up as bad as that.:eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭2012 Rio


    Be done with it and get a blanking plate kit for the EGR and have the resulting error codes/limp mode suppressed by a diesel tuner.

    Your power and MPG will improve and you will have a clean maifold. EGRs are the devils work.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    2012 Rio wrote: »
    Be done with it and get a blanking plate kit for the EGR and have the resulting error codes/limp mode suppressed by a diesel tuner.

    Your power and MPG will improve and you will have a clean maifold. EGRs are the devils work.



    If you blank the EGR on these engines you also restrict airflow through the throttle body reducing the manifold pressure.

    The 1.7 cdti is known for being a very awrkward engine to tune.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭trixyben


    hi nissan doctor would it be a handy job to clean the egr on a mark1 focus 1.8tddi, might give this ago this weekend. I bought a bottle of spray cleaner today but by looking at your pics of the build up I wouldnt think pin much hope on it doing much good!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    trixyben wrote: »
    hi nissan doctor would it be a handy job to clean the egr on a mark1 focus 1.8tddi, might give this ago this weekend. I bought a bottle of spray cleaner today but by looking at your pics of the build up I wouldnt think pin much hope on it doing much good!


    Hmmm, Yours is awkward too unfortunately, possibly even more then mine as the EGR is part of the inlet manifold, so the whole lot has to come off to really access all parts of the EGR.

    But still not impossible if your handy with the spanners.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭trixyben


    Hmmm, Yours is awkward too unfortunately, possibly even more then mine as the EGR is part of the inlet manifold, so the whole lot has to come off to really access all parts of the EGR.

    But still not impossible if your handy with the spanners.

    i take it its a straight forward enough job though even though a little tricky? disconnect manifold from engine and lower exhaust joint i take it and should be able to give it a good clean then, just need to get some oven cleaner now!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    trixyben wrote: »
    i take it its a straight forward enough job though even though a little tricky? disconnect manifold from engine and lower exhaust joint i take it and should be able to give it a good clean then, just need to get some oven cleaner now!!


    Just had a very quick look on google images and found this:

    http://www.google.ie/imgres?q=focus+1.8+tddi+egr&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1280&bih=709&tbm=isch&prmd=imvnsfd&tbnid=HfVoj_Qzu247JM:&imgrefurl=http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FORD-FOCUS-1-8-TDDI-EGR-VALVE-1998-2004-/250783017675&docid=BcajMxY6_TZM-M&imgurl=http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/1/3/8/6/6/1/webimg/450963621_tp.jpg&w=400&h=300&ei=l080T4j0NNC0hAeBjLX5AQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=980&vpy=63&dur=1133&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=154&ty=88&sig=115898081605984369524&page=1&tbnh=161&tbnw=226&start=0&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0

    If you can remove then manifold then its a much more basic valve to clean.


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