c'mon lads, say goodbye to BOD

kevtwin

Ireland should either not pick him, or BOD should retire. My memories are of a great player (one of the very best centres of all time) and a proverbial pain in the Welsh arse. After the RWC though, i was left with slightly jaded feelings - of a man who was desperately trying, in vain, to fight the sands of time.

Two problems here. One for BOD - he should leave a legacy, not hang around taking longer to get up after tackles- and one for IReland - how does anyone play 13 for IReland with conviction knowing full well that they are NEVER going to be first choice.

Anyone on this board who thinks BOD is the same player he was two years ago is blind. Shane retired with a flourish, he resisted the urge to push on, and as such we have no bad memories.

Im a massive BOD fan (well, i know my rugby) and i think Ireland should be looking at a future without him.

Sad but someone has to call time, him or the coach. To suggest IReland would have beaten Wales should BOD have played simply reinforces a feeling that the whole country believes you are a one-man team.

just a thought.....Martyn Williams played right through the BOD era as did Shane, and both are retired.

twinytwo

Seriously how sad are you??... you already posted this crap in the match thread.

yeraulone

did somebody say gavin henson?

Podge_irl

kevtwin wrote: »

a man who was desperately trying, in vain, to fight the sands of time.

And a neck injury...

Tox56

With BOD on the field, I am convinced we would have won on Sunday.

Gracelessly Tom

kevtwin wrote: »

Ireland should either not pick him, or BOD should retire. My memories are of a great player (one of the very best centres of all time) and a proverbial pain in the Welsh arse. After the RWC though, i was left with slightly jaded feelings - of a man who was desperately trying, in vain, to fight the sands of time.

Try the fact he was playing in the RWC with a shoulder injury.

Sounds like the Welsh are running scared of BOD. More heart than Shane and Martyn combined!

the juice

Gracelessly Tom wrote: »

Try the fact he was playing in the RWC with a shoulder injury.

Sounds like the Welsh are running scared of BOD. More heart than Shane and Martyn combined!

Dont you dare say anything bad about shane; hes there "talisman"

kevtwin

Gracelessly Tom wrote: »

Try the fact he was playing in the RWC with a shoulder injury.

Sounds like the Welsh are running scared of BOD. More heart than Shane and Martyn combined!

YOURE PROVING MY POINT.

Im not even going to disagree that he has more heart than Martyn and Shane combined. Im a FAN of BOD not a detractor and the allusion to fighting against a shoulder injury only reinforces my point.

whether the Welsh are running scared of BOD is irrelevent. Next year, like i said, he will be another year older and Davies, North, Cuthburt and Roberts smashing into that channel is hardly going to stretch his career out further.

Mark my words, there could come a time when some of you will post on here

"For gods sake BOD call it a day"

All im suggesting is that day should never come. I hope he does retire before the next 6Nations and thats not out of fear its out of respect.

CatFromHue

The more I hear of his shoulder/neck problems in the RWC and build up time the more I think he shouldn't have been playing. He wasn't doing any contact apart from games and in the games you could see things that you'd never have seen before i.e. he was falling off tackles.

I look forward to him coming back, hopefully this season, and seeing a fully fit BOD take the field.

JustinDee

He'll retire when he's good and ready to. If he can't cope, he'll duck out.
Thing is, there's a fighting good chance that he will cope.

Don't be surprised if he comes back and has the season of his life.
Do I reply to your identical post in the match thread too? Or will this do?

kevtwin

JustinDee wrote: »

He'll retire when he's good and ready to. If he can't cope, he'll duck out.
Thing is, there's a fighting good chance that he will cope.

Don't be surprised if he comes back and has the season of his life.
Do I reply to your identical post in the match thread too? Or will this do?

ah this will do here nicely. I thought the great man was worthy of a post all on his own. I wont respond to any jibes about Shane or anyone else in Wales because BOD is probably better than any player we have produced in 30 years.

durkadurka

kevtwin wrote: »

ah this will do here nicely. I thought the great man was worthy of a post all on his own. I wont respond to any jibes about Shane or anyone else in Wales because BOD is probably better than any player we have produced in 30 years.

ehhh Arwel thomas?

the juice

kevtwin wrote: »

ah this will do here nicely. I thought the great man was worthy of a post all on his own. I wont respond to any jibes about Shane or anyone else in Wales because BOD is probably better than any player we have produced in 30 years.

Back under the bridge so lol or was the double post a mistake :D

leeroybrown

What a load of rubbish. Like it or not a fit BOD is still a better centre than any other player Ireland have fielded at either 12 or 13 recently. Even with a shoulder injury that was clearly compromising his tackling on one side he was a worthy first choice. I agree that Ireland should be actively planning to replace him but not because he isn't up to it.

Martyn Williams retired too early in my opinion resulting in him coming back and plays in a position where Wales have excellent replacement players. He was almost a year older than BOD playing his last Wales game. Shane Williams is a full two years older than BOD and also plays in a position where Wales have a wealth of international class talent. If Wales didn't have any decent wings I reckon Shane would be the first to put his hand up and continue playing for his country.

Tox56

Tox56 wrote: »

With BOD on the field, I am convinced we would have won on Sunday.

to our long term detriment perhaps.

Opening post way off the mark, this post also way off the mark.

Truth somewhere in between. BOD and his successor are going to have to work together over the next 18 months.

If I was leaving a job, my replacement would come alongside me and we'd have a handover in order to ensure the position was not left with a completely fresh start for someone.

Should BOD play every minute of every game? - No
Should BOD call it a day? - No

The answer is somewhere in between, phasing BOD out and BOD2.0 in.

Some set of shoes to fill.

JustinDee

Deleted User wrote: »

to our long term detriment perhaps

It is all about points and rankings this year.

Tox56

Deleted User wrote: »

to our long term detriment perhaps.

Opening post way off the mark, this post also way off the mark.

Truth somewhere in between. BOD and his successor are going to have to work together over the next 18 months.

If I was leaving a job, my replacement would come alongside me and we'd have a handover in order to ensure the position was not left with a completely fresh start for someone.

Should BOD play every minute of every game? - No
Should BOD call it a day? - No

The answer is somewhere in between, phasing BOD out and BOD2.0 in.

Some set of shoes to fill.

This is exactly the sort of situation I was envisaging, but the problem is, who do you put in there?

Griffin is a talented player, no offence to Connacht, but unless they improve, if he stays there he is hurting his chances of playing for Ireland, rightly or wrongly.

There is EOM, who looks like he will be the one to supplant BOD at Leinster, but for Ireland too?

Cave is another who would be in with a chance, and without his injury, should have been playing right now.

And there are more coming through.

Can you put all of those in there? If so how? If not, who? Lots of questions still to be answered.

Right now I think EOM has the best chance, if only because it is BOD he will learn off in Leinster, and he looks like the one who will replace him in the Leinster team. Honestly though, I don't know.

twinytwo

JustinDee wrote: »

It is all about points and rankings this year.

then one would have to ask what the hell kidney was up to for the wales game

twinytwo

twinytwo wrote: »

then one would have to ask what the hell kidney was up to for the wales game

trying not to lose. As always!

twinytwo

Deleted User wrote: »

trying not to lose. As always!

if what went dont down on saturday was his idea of trying not to lose, ie win??...then he should be shot.

twinytwo

twinytwo wrote: »

if what went dont down on saturday was his idea of trying not to lose, ie win??...then he should be shot.

not necessarily the same thing, it's as if we try our hardest not to get beaten by more than a score. As opposed to going out and trying to win the game.

It's horrific to see.

the juice

twinytwo wrote: »

if what went dont down on saturday was his idea of trying not to lose, ie win??...then he should be shot.

hung drawn and quartered more like

mikedragon32

Thread closed. Re-hash of comments already made in the IRE V WAL thread.