Adelaide school of nursing

DreamingAgain

Hi there
Could someone tell me what is the difference between doing nursing in Trinity through the adelaide to simply doing nursing Meath&St.James' in Trinity?I know points are less and an interview is required for the adelaide.
Thanks in advance.

Kwekubo

The Adelaide Hospital was merged with the Meath Hospital when they were both moved to Tallaght in 1998. But, for the sake of tradition, the boards of the old hospitals were not abolished - so there is still a separate Meath Foundation and Adelaide Hospital Society who run Tallaght Hospital together. The original Adelaide was founded with a Protestant ethos, so the AHS allocates its chunk of nursing places at Tallaght with priority to those from the Protestant community, and it offers its own bursaries to these students.

The course itself is identical to that of other general nursing students, except other students make the choice of where to do their clinical placements (ie James's or Tallaght) after they have started the degree, while people who apply for the Adelaide School of Nursing on their CAO will be at Tallaght.

Truman Burbank

Kwekubo wrote: »

The Adelaide Hospital was merged with the Meath Hospital when they were both moved to Tallaght in 1998. But, for the sake of tradition, the boards of the old hospitals were not abolished - so there is still a separate Meath Foundation and Adelaide Hospital Society who run Tallaght Hospital together. The original Adelaide was founded with a Protestant ethos, so the AHS allocates its chunk of nursing places at Tallaght with priority to those from the Protestant community, and it offers its own bursaries to these students.

The course itself is identical to that of other general nursing students, except other students make the choice of where to do their clinical placements (ie James's or Tallaght) after they have started the degree, while people who apply for the Adelaide School of Nursing on their CAO will be at Tallaght.

Incorrect. Neither run Tallaght hospital. They are both foundations, as is the 3rd one, The National Children's Hospital Foundation. The hospital is run by a Board of Management.

It's the same course, they just want COI applicants to fill the places - no different than the 96% of primary schools in Ireland that are RC, and take RC students first and non-RC for (any) remaining places.

I can't think of any other university course that you apply for where your religion is an issue (obviously you need the points too). It's all political, a 'concession' agreed 15 years ago to the old Adelaide Hospital for the move to Tallaght. It would be 'sugar-coating' it to say they want applicants who will uphold the ethos of the old Adelaide Hospital. They want COI applicants who will uphold the ethos of the old Adelaide Hospital Hospital!! It would be naive to think that COI is not the deciding factor, it is. It's a bit sad in 2012.

Kwekubo

Truman Burbank wrote: »

Incorrect. Neither run Tallaght hospital. They are both foundations, as is the 3rd one, The National Children's Hospital Foundation. The hospital is run by a Board of Management.

I was simplifying the situation, and didn't want to complicate things by mentioning NCH - more accurate to say that the foundations are represented on the Board of Management.

Completely agree with you regarding the inappropriateness of religious tests for a university degree of this sort.

Ahoyhoy

Won't the NCH part be moving when they finally (if ever) build the new one by the Mater?

Truman Burbank

Kwekubo wrote: »

I was simplifying the situation, and didn't want to complicate things by mentioning NCH - more accurate to say that the foundations are represented on the Board of Management.

Completely agree with you regarding the inappropriateness of religious tests for a university degree of this sort.

Thanks for your reply. The foundations are allowed to nominate individuals to the BOM, but not to represent them. This is exactly what The Government is trying to abolish across all sectors (special interests).

You worded it very well with "inappropriateness". As a parent who has a non-RC child who was recently refused admission to the RC school next door (!) despite having another non-RC child already in the school (!), and as a tax-payer, I do disagree with places being awarded based on religion in this case, and would rather see LC/Mature Students being awarded places based on merit.

Separately, the OP would be well advised to chose James if planning to go to TCD. It has far more specialties to experience and has a proper/efficient/well-preforming hospital management structure (this is well documented) versus Tallaght, which is constantly plagued with problems; has a long and detailed litany of scandals and history of poor management since inception (also well documented). I would never chose Tallaght, if indeed there was a choice. Stats of hospital performance can be found on the HSE website.

Truman Burbank

Ahoyhoy wrote: »

Won't the NCH part be moving when they finally (if ever) build the new one by the Mater?

Yes. Again, The NCH cannot be compared to Crumlin or Temple Street in terms of service provision. Children are regularly transferred from The NCH to the other hospitals, The NCH has no ICU either. It's expected that it will be replaced by a GP-led 'Urgent Care Center' (if even), given the paediatric population in the Tallaght/Clondalkin/Blesssington/Ballycullen etc areas is so high.

DreamingAgain

Kwekubo wrote: »

The Adelaide Hospital was merged with the Meath Hospital when they were both moved to Tallaght in 1998. But, for the sake of tradition, the boards of the old hospitals were not abolished - so there is still a separate Meath Foundation and Adelaide Hospital Society who run Tallaght Hospital together. The original Adelaide was founded with a Protestant ethos, so the AHS allocates its chunk of nursing places at Tallaght with priority to those from the Protestant community, and it offers its own bursaries to these students.

The course itself is identical to that of other general nursing students, except other students make the choice of where to do their clinical placements (ie James's or Tallaght) after they have started the degree, while people who apply for the Adelaide School of Nursing on their CAO will be at Tallaght.

Well you answered my question.I really wanted to know if the course ws the same so thank you for that!
Really appreciate it.

DreamingAgain

Also just to mention I am RC,attend a RC school and last year 6 girls from my school (all RC) got into nursing through the adelaide so I think a lot has changed recently.The ethos is probably still the same but they definitely don't rule anyone out because of religion like before.

Truman Burbank

DreamingAgain wrote: »

Also just to mention I am RC,attend a RC school and last year 6 girls from my school (all RC) got into nursing through the adelaide so I think a lot has changed recently.The ethos is probably still the same but they definitely don't rule anyone out because of religion like before.

The Adelaide School of Nursing takes COI first. The Dogs on The Street know this. It's the whole idea, that's why it exists, obviously!

I'm pretty sure I explained this clearly.

Holahola94

DreamingAgain wrote: »

Hi there
Could someone tell me what is the difference between doing nursing in Trinity through the adelaide to simply doing nursing Meath&St.James' in Trinity?I know points are less and an interview is required for the adelaide.
Thanks in advance.

hi there.I'm the exact same,put it on my cao as number 2 but don't really understand the difference course wise...Have you been given a date for the interview yet? Fingers crossed we both get it haha

TheLastWord

DreamingAgain wrote: »

Also just to mention I am RC,attend a RC school and last year 6 girls from my school (all RC) got into nursing through the adelaide so I think a lot has changed recently.The ethos is probably still the same but they definitely don't rule anyone out because of religion like before.

Nothing has changed. The ethos is Protestant.

Left over places go to Catholics etc., same as left over places in primary schools go to other religions or none. This analogy was already provided but you've decided it's not true. Out of self respect, I wouldn't apply anywhere that took religion into account. It should be abolished.

In answer to your question, its the same course, if it's lesser points that's only because less people want to sit in front of a panel that are only looking to fill left over spots when they don't get enough Protestant applications. And less people want to go to Tallaght (a disaster zone). You might want to read the newspapers now and then, or listen to the radio, or read the reports from The Coroner's Court, or God-forbid GO to Tallaght and see first hand. No one should pick Tallaght if that can avoid it.

DreamingAgain

TheLastWord wrote: »

DreamingAgain wrote: »

Also just to mention I am RC,attend a RC school and last year 6 girls from my school (all RC) got into nursing through the adelaide so I think a lot has changed recently.The ethos is probably still the same but they definitely don't rule anyone out because of religion like before.

Nothing has changed. The ethos is Protestant.

Left over places go to Catholics etc., same as left over places in primary schools go to other religions or none. This analogy was already provided but you've decided it's not true. Out of self respect, I wouldn't apply anywhere that took religion into account. It should be abolished.

In answer to your question, its the same course, if it's lesser points that's only because less people want to sit in front of a panel that are only looking to fill left over spots when they don't get enough Protestant applications. And less people want to go to Tallaght (a disaster zone). You might want to read the newspapers now and then, or listen to the radio, or read the reports from The Coroner's Court, or God-forbid GO to Tallaght and see first hand. No one should pick Tallaght if that can avoid it.

I wanted to know coursewise the difference between the two.I already know about the protestant ethos and background.I was hoping for some advice on the two courses and this was given to me in the very first response.

As for 'reading as newspaper now and then',I have worked in Tallaght hospital for two years so that is not necessary.I have plenty of knowledge and experience of the hospital and it would be my personal preference.

I won't be returning to this thread as my question was answered.

DreamingAgain

Holahola94 wrote: »

DreamingAgain wrote: »

Hi there
Could someone tell me what is the difference between doing nursing in Trinity through the adelaide to simply doing nursing Meath&St.James' in Trinity?I know points are less and an interview is required for the adelaide.
Thanks in advance.

hi there.I'm the exact same,put it on my cao as number 2 but don't really understand the difference course wise...Have you been given a date for the interview yet? Fingers crossed we both get it haha

Well its number 7 on my cao but I haven't heard anything about the interview yet,have you?!I was told they are organised in March/April?:)

Holahola94

DreamingAgain wrote: »

Holahola94 wrote: »

DreamingAgain wrote: »

Hi there
Could someone tell me what is the difference between doing nursing in Trinity through the adelaide to simply doing nursing Meath&St.James' in Trinity?I know points are less and an interview is required for the adelaide.
Thanks in advance.

hi there.I'm the exact same,put it on my cao as number 2 but don't really understand the difference course wise...Have you been given a date for the interview yet? Fingers crossed we both get it haha

Well its number 7 on my cao but I haven't heard anything about the interview yet,have you?!I was told they are organised in March/April?:)

I just sent you a PM.
But no,haven't heard anything back yet!

dustbabe

Truman Burbank wrote: »

Incorrect. Neither run Tallaght hospital. They are both foundations, as is the 3rd one, The National Children's Hospital Foundation. The hospital is run by a Board of Management.

It's the same course, they just want COI applicants to fill the places - no different than the 96% of primary schools in Ireland that are RC, and take RC students first and non-RC for (any) remaining places.

I can't think of any other university course that you apply for where your religion is an issue (obviously you need the points too). It's all political, a 'concession' agreed 15 years ago to the old Adelaide Hospital for the move to Tallaght. It would be 'sugar-coating' it to say they want applicants who will uphold the ethos of the old Adelaide Hospital. They want COI applicants who will uphold the ethos of the old Adelaide Hospital Hospital!! It would be naive to think that COI is not the deciding factor, it is. It's a bit sad in 2012.

It has been quite sad to read all that has been said of Tallagh and particulary about the Adelaide Hospital and its ethos. Yes it was a Protestant hospital and it has always allowed that its nursing school was populated with people of the protestant faith. While this may seem to many as being discriminatory, all of the other hospitals take from the Roman Catholic faith and usually trained one TOKEN protestant for each 3 year programme. Hence it has always been very difficult for protestants to be recruited to the Mater, st vincents, the MEath hospital etc. WE all ended up in the Adelaide....
To say that Tallaght is a bad hospital is very disingenuous and yes we know of the Xray scandal, ( in a hospital which serves a population of 540,000, there were only a few consultant radiologists, and to compare with St vincents with a smaller catchment area, who have more than twice the consultants!) It has been a hospital wehre care is offered to the patient first, no questions asked, and the main difference with it was the the state could not interfere in a patients care. This meant that if a woman wanted sterilisation done, then that was between her and the doctor, and not for it to go the the hospital board to decide! ie if she was not over 35 and had 4 kids well then she could not have it!

AS for the bad press, as a nurse let me tell you that many other hospitals face the same xray issues as tallaght did and by god did it smarten them up to get their xrays read. Many of the xrays which were not reviewed were images read by consultant surgeons during fracture fixation procedures, and honestly to have radiologists reviewing a few hundred of those per trauma patient is a serious waste of money and time. ORthopaedic surgeons are trained to read them and make the clinical judgement on what needs to be repaired and how, and are able to insert the appropriate type of screw according to the intraoperative xrays/images from the C-arm views.
The hospital is indeed run by a board of management, not the foundations which are set up to provide money for research grants. The adelaide hospital society has for many years been campaigning on delivery of patient care on the "need for care vs ability to pay" which is called social health insurance, similar to the German, Taiwanese, funding systems used to provide health care.
As for teh student nurses, they remain the only cohort of nurses who are interviewed for their training post and this weeds out those who are only doing nursing as a means to getting to another course. TCD was looking into a study to look at nurse retention levels nationally as these people in the Adelaied course actually were selected to do nursing and those who did not impress interviewers with passion are not selected, Protestant or not, whether they know your sister trained there or not! So there is not cronyism. The nursing school and hospital are highly respected and i am a proud Adelaide nurse.

Ciara 5

hi there, went for my interview this week, does anyone know when we hear back?

Holahola94

Ciara 5 wrote: »

hi there, went for my interview this week, does anyone know when we hear back?

I just heard on Wednesday I got offered a place!Fingers crossed for points now!!:)

vladcount

guys i applied for the Adelaide School of nursing this yr for 2012/2013 and after interview i got accepted once i get me points in LC guys im catholic and i got accepted

vladcount

Ciara 5 wrote: »

hi there, went for my interview this week, does anyone know when we hear back?

i got accepted too LC points pending lol and guys it dosent matter wht your relgious ways im a catholic and i got in i was in front of a panel of three on wednesday 2nd may, head of trinity nursing , head nurse of placement in tallagh hospital and chief executive of the Adelaide School of nursing society

Holahola94

Anyone have any thoughts on what the points will be like this year?

Ciara 5

I got offered a place too, delighted the points seem to be going up by 20 every year so I'm aiming for around 420

Holahola94

Ciara 5 wrote: »

I got offered a place too, delighted the points seem to be going up by 20 every year so I'm aiming for around 420

Yeah hopefully it wont go up too much!Ahhh so weird this time September (hopefully)

dedede

hi could any one that has done interview last year for the adelaide hospital last year, is the question hard? could you give me an idea of what they ask,please im very nervous about it,and wouild like the best chance of geting in. thank yous.

allyjack

just wondering if anyone heard about places this year after the interviews.?