19.2 and 28.8 on one receiver

firemansam1

Hi,

I aimed a dish and tuned a receiver to get some german channels for a friend of mine.(19.2E). She bought the system in LIDL. It's a silvercrest receiver, seems to have menus like TRIAX SR10 to me.

Anyway, she now wants to get english free to air also. I've advised her that she needs to upgrade the dish to a more sturdy one than the LIDL one.

Would i be right toi say that she will need a holder to accommodate 2no LNB's and a switch to switch between the LNB's.

Is the silvercrest receiver capable of doing what she wants to do. Anyone any pointers to what equipment she will need. Lunks etc appreciated

Her father/husband or someone installed the existing dish and in fairness they seemed to do a good job and it was nearly alligned right. They may do this job too but I'd say they'll be wanting me to tell them what they need etc.

Am I on the right track with what I've said above.

Thanks in advance

tomslick

The task is not as straight forward as sticking another lnb to the dish. You will need a multi-lnb holder, an lnb, a diseqc switch and a box with diseqc control.

The dish could be lined up to 19 east with the lnb for 28 east offset on the arm. The signal will be strong enough to do this. A purist would line up 23east at center and offset 19&28 lnb. This would give the strongest total signal for the setup but wouldn't be necessary for this job.

Don't know anything about the lidl box but most boxes have diseqc control.

To do the job you would install the multi-lnb holder, line the dish to 19east (with the lnb in the center of the dish) then move the second lnb in/out up/down on the multi arm till you pickup 28east. Then put new leads from both lnb to diseqc switch and put existing cable onto switch also. Program box and your done.

firemansam1

Thanks for the above.

What would be invlolved in setting up the whole thing now so that an extra receiver could be added down the line in the kitchen which would receive the 2 satellites also. just in case!!!!!!!

Thanks

Ronnie Raygun

You could get a generic multi lnb bracket off ebay or somewhere, the kind that will clamp to the existing lnb.

For extra receivers, just make sure the lnbs have at least 2 outputs (the Lidl one probably does) & you'll also need a separate diseqc switch for the 2nd receiver as well as the relevant cabling.

Ghostleader

Both the Lidl & Triax receivers are made by Comag Germany & handle DiSEqC no probs.

Cantona's Collars

I tried this with my Sky dish yesterday and was pleasantly surprised with the result.At the time I just used some insulating tape as I was just experimenting but picked up 19e perfectly.No moving dish or anything.Quad for Sky and a single lnb I had was used for 19e.

Here's a pic of what inspired me and where I found it.
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1512308

dharn

SIMPLES

PressTheButton

Re. pic which inspired zerks above, click on link for more 'inspiration':

http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/dish_xtra_LNB.htm

STB

Yep.

Those multi LNB (3) holders that Vortech sell work fine on a Sky mesh dish.

The holder fitting itself actually fits perfectly wedged on a Sky Quad LNB.

I have Hotbird and Astra 1 in addition to the Quad LNB on 28.2 working fine on diseqc and all for €20 (diseqc and bracket) pretty much as satcures pic.

givecredit

STB wrote: »

Yep.

Those multi LNB (3) holders that Vortech sell work fine on a Sky mesh dish.

The holder fitting itself actually fits perfectly wedged on a Sky Quad LNB.

I have Hotbird and Astra 1 in addition to the Quad LNB on 28.2 working fine on diseqc and all for €20 (diseqc and bracket) pretty much as satcures pic.

Did you need to realign the dish or is the bracket just holding the 2 extra lnbs to rightside of arm facing dish?

STB

givecredit wrote: »

Did you need to realign the dish or is the bracket just holding the 2 extra lnbs to rightside of arm facing dish?

Holding to the right with the main focus on 28.2, no realignment done by me. About 3 quarters bracket to the right. Those vortech brackets allow for vertical movement so the bracket doesnt need to be straight. You also dont need to bend the end of the bracket inwards for Hotbird as I have seen with other brackets gunthered for Sky dishes. And 19.2lnb is right up beside the main 28.2 one.

The main reason it works is that there is a gap between the collar of the lnb and on the Sky lnb holder that allows for that Vortech bracket to fit fairly snug, so its tight and has enough grip to hold the other two. Obviously you can slide the bracket as you desire up and down.

A cheap and quick solution.

dharn

on the above photo i notice that there are 6 leads in total coming from the lnbs yet only 4 go in to the diseq and one out where do the other 2 lead disappear to

dodzy

dharn wrote: »

on the above photo i notice that there are 6 leads in total coming from the lnbs yet only 4 go in to the diseq and one out where do the other 2 lead disappear to

Most likely the other 2 are from the quad and heading off to another receiver

firemansam1

Should the triax TD78 dish be good enough for this job

Thanks

rurs

Should be, they're quality dishes btw. What part of the country (roughly) are you in?

Probably as well to use the multi LNB holders mentioned earlier in the thread, I think they're more adjustable than the Triax ones. I have one on a TD54. Just make sure the central LNB has a long neck, to fit both the multi-holder and the collar comes with the dish.

Ronnie Raygun

firemansam1 wrote: »

Should the triax TD78 dish be good enough for this job

The Lidl dish might be; what size is it anyway?

firemansam1

They've already got the triax flexi holder. It should do the trick anyway according to the literature with it.

It suggests having LNB's each side of centre. Does that mean I'm aiming the dish at 23e with both LNB's off set. Is this good plan.

Which LNB will be the one for 28.2. The one on left or on right as you look from behind dish. I realise the dish acts as a mirror etc.

Ronnie Raygun

28E will be on the right from behind the dish.

If the Lidl dish is an 80cm, you could simply add one of those generic brackets for 28E, no need to even realign the dish, let alone replace it.

firemansam1

No, the LIDL dih is very flimsy, well the bracket is anyway. They lose their current channels in any kind of adverse weather!!!

Ronnie Raygun

The feedarm on the Triax dish isn't exactly strong either.

dodzy

firemansam1 wrote: »

No, the LIDL dih is very flimsy, well the bracket is anyway. They lose their current channels in any kind of adverse weather!!!

Have a lidl dish in place - astra 28, for 3 yrs. Well exposed to the elements as its chimney mounted. Has never flinched in adverse weather. That said, its only taking a single LNBF.

firemansam1

Well, I got that job done. worked out handy enough in the end. Offset both LNB's and got strong signal on both.

Very happy with it. Was a bit apprehensive about doing it but it worked out ok after a short while of tinkering about with it.

firemansam1

Ronnie Raygun wrote: »

The feedarm on the Triax dish isn't exactly strong either.

I'll agree with that, had to put 2no long bolts(robbed from the cheaper LIDL dish!!!) through it to strengthen it all up.

kooga

STB wrote: »

Yep.

Those multi LNB (3) holders that Vortech sell work fine on a Sky mesh dish.

The holder fitting itself actually fits perfectly wedged on a Sky Quad LNB.

I have Hotbird and Astra 1 in addition to the Quad LNB on 28.2 working fine on diseqc and all for €20 (diseqc and bracket) pretty much as satcures pic.

whats your hobird signal like and do you have subscriptions?

STB

kooga wrote: »

whats your hotbird signal like and do you have subscriptions?

On that it would have been perfectly acceptable. 13 and 19 are next to 28. They are all strong signals even on a 60cm dish.

But I dont use a Sky dish anymore. If you are going to going into multisat territory get a TD88. They are not dear.

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