Lift and slide sliding doors

carrollga

Hi we are trying to decide on our patio doors we have an opening of 3.6m by 2.6 metre and want to make the most of the opening without suffering badly with heat loss. Currently looking at lift and slide sliding doors. Two pane ones that slide over each other and 4 pane with the two centre panes sliding outwards. We like the idea of the two pane as it allows the best view outside but worry about weight if they go full height.
Also unsure whether to go aluclad or aluminium. We want triple glaze for best uvalue. Any advise would be great as we need to decide asap.

Juantorena

We have a 5.2m wide opening and we have a two-section slider installed - i.e. one 2.6m moveable section. It's double rather than triple glazed - triple would be almost unfeasibly heavy, the double took four men to carry each of the glass sections.

Alu-clad, very happy with it although we find we're not opening it up as much as we thought we would. It is on the front elevation of the house so that might be part of it.

I'd check and see how solely aluminium frames perform wrt thermal bridging and condensation.

sas

Juantorena wrote: »

We have a 5.2m wide opening and we have a two-section slider installed - i.e. one 2.6m moveable section. It's double rather than triple glazed - triple would be almost unfeasibly heavy, the double took four men to carry each of the glass sections.

Alu-clad, very happy with it although we find we're not opening it up as much as we thought we would. It is on the front elevation of the house so that might be part of it.

I'd check and see how solely aluminium frames perform wrt thermal bridging and condensation.

We've a 4m by 2.5m slider i.e. 2m sliding pane. This is triple glazed. It is heavy. In my old age I don't believe I could open it.

KATM

Hi carrollga,

I hope I'm not hijacking your post, but we're currently looking for a 5m X 2.4m double / triple pane slider. We're edging towards alu-clad / alu-wood, simply because they're working out cheaper than the aluminium, but also because we've been informed that aluminium can have problems with condensation and is more suited to industrial premises (?).

Would you mind me asking what you went with in the end? If you could PM me the supplier also, that would be absolutely great.

Sas and Juantorena, would you mind PMing me your window suppliers also? I'd really appreciate it.

TIA everyone - we're at the stage where we need to order the windows, but we're still completely confused!!!

Thanks again!

BrianHal

I see alu-clad and aluminium mentioned here. Are large panel sliding doors available in PCV or is it only aluminium varieties? I will have a 5m x 2.1m space and am hoping to get this in two panels, i.e. one opening.

Does anyone have an idea what the weight might be for double and triple glazing for this?

sydthebeat

BrianHal wrote: »

I see alu-clad and aluminium mentioned here. Are large panel sliding doors available in PCV or is it only aluminium varieties? I will have a 5m x 2.1m space and am hoping to get this in two panels, i.e. one opening.

Does anyone have an idea what the weight might be for double and triple glazing for this?

a triple glazed unit, in aluclad, for that size (5 x 2.1) could approx 750 kgs

KATM

BrianHal wrote: »

I see alu-clad and aluminium mentioned here. Are large panel sliding doors available in PCV or is it only aluminium varieties? I will have a 5m x 2.1m space and am hoping to get this in two panels, i.e. one opening.

Does anyone have an idea what the weight might be for double and triple glazing for this?

Hi BrianHal,

One of our doors is 5m X 2.4m. One of the alu-clad companies that we priced were willing to do this in a 2-paned door, but the company that we went with said that it would cause problems over time and recommended that we go for 3-panes instead.

But in saying that, yours isn't as high, so it could very well be possible.

K

KATM

sydthebeat wrote: »

a triple glazed unit, in aluclad, for that size (5 x 2.1) could approx 750 kgs

Sorry - yes, ours is only double-glazed. That was something else the window co. recommended for such heavy / large sliding doors.

Thanks for the reminder sydthebeat!
K

gooseygander

carrollga wrote: »

Hi we are trying to decide on our patio doors we have an opening of 3.6m by 2.6 metre and want to make the most of the opening without suffering badly with heat loss. Currently looking at lift and slide sliding doors. Two pane ones that slide over each other and 4 pane with the two centre panes sliding outwards. We like the idea of the two pane as it allows the best view outside but worry about weight if they go full height.
Also unsure whether to go aluclad or aluminium. We want triple glaze for best uvalue. Any advise would be great as we need to decide asap.

Our opening is a bit smaller than yours 3m x 2.1m and wondered if you looked at the bi-fold option for your ope as it will allow you to open the room fully to the outdoors. we are going with a 3 door triple glaze bi fold in alu-wood and believe we got a good deal on same albeit I would say it is more expensive than the slider option.

Gumbo

BrianHal wrote: »

I see alu-clad and aluminium mentioned here. Are large panel sliding doors available in PCV or is it only aluminium varieties? I will have a 5m x 2.1m space and am hoping to get this in two panels, i.e. one opening.

Does anyone have an idea what the weight might be for double and triple glazing for this?

My dad just ordered his.

4750mm wide by 2100mm high. White PVC internally and anthracite PVC externally with a timber looking grain.

One whole panel slides into the other, they are tilt and slide as you mention.

BrianHal

kceire wrote: »

My dad just ordered his.

4750mm wide by 2100mm high. White PVC internally and anthracite PVC externally with a timber looking grain.

One whole panel slides into the other, they are tilt and slide as you mention.

Can you tell me, are the 2x or 3x glazed?

Did they give an estimated weight (I don't want to turn into He Man after walking to the back garden after a fortnight in the summer)

Can you give a ballpark figure of what he's expecting to pay to supply? I know different companies in different parts of the country etc... I just don't want my jaw hitting the floor when I ask the builder about it so jaw hitting the floor now is probably better.

Gumbo

BrianHal wrote: »

Can you tell me, are the 2x or 3x glazed?

Did they give an estimated weight (I don't want to turn into He Man after walking to the back garden after a fortnight in the summer)

Can you give a ballpark figure of what he's expecting to pay to supply? I know different companies in different parts of the country etc... I just don't want my jaw hitting the floor when I ask the builder about it so jaw hitting the floor now is probably better.

Double glazed, argon filled, thermally broke frames and A rated glass.

He is paying €6700 supplied, fitted and guaranteed. But that also include a triangle fixed glazed panel above them effectively going into the facia and soffit of the gable wall.

fatty pang

kceire wrote: »

Double glazed, argon filled, thermally broke frames and A rated glass.

He is paying €6700 supplied, fitted and guaranteed. But that also include a triangle fixed glazed panel above them effectively going into the facia and soffit of the gable wall.

Its unusual to get thermally broken UPVC frames. A rated glass is a nonsense.
If there is an angled transom light going above a door that width I would hope there is some reinforcement of that mullion. I would have thought a door that wide should be fixed to something structural rather then a plastic profile (of the transom light).

Gumbo

fatty pang wrote: »

Its unusual to get thermally broken UPVC frames. A rated glass is a nonsense.
If there is an angled transom light going above a door that width I would hope there is some reinforcement of that mullion. I would have thought a door that wide should be fixed to something structural rather then a plastic profile (of the transom light).

Dont worry, my Consulting Engneer has designed the structure. 203 UC's and 100 SHS everywhere and even one 305UB!!!!

fatty pang

kceire wrote: »

Dont worry, my Consulting Engneer has designed the structure. 203 UC's and 100 SHS everywhere and even one 305UB!!!!

Its good to hear of this sort of thing being done properly. Stiffening screens up after the fact can be challenging.

Gumbo

fatty pang wrote: »

Its good to hear of this sort of thing being done properly. Stiffening screens up after the fact can be challenging.

Well, I'm civil/structural engineering qualified but not working in that exact field, I wanted to keep the works separate and got my old boss to oversee it.

guby

Hi,

I am having difficulty getting an aluclad sliding door(s) for a glass screen 4.5metres wide. I wanted 1 sliding door on the right side of the screen looking out from the kitchen. However the companies I have discussed it with either say divide the width into four with 2 fixed glass section, 1 at each end with 2 sliding doors in the centre (thats a lot of frames) or a second company says 3 panels with a tilt and push slider in the centre. Neither company will do a slider of 2.25 metres wide. I wanted double glaze. They have suggested one slider with a window at the left side of the screen, (looking out into the garden) and leave enough to do 2 panels one of which will be a slider, smaller than the 2.25 metres. However I don't need any more windows, the room has loads. sorry to go on so long. the other issue is that this has to be done quickly as the builder is in situ. Any ideas? Any help much appreciated.

D_D

guby wrote: »

Hi,

I am having difficulty getting an aluclad sliding door(s) for a glass screen 4.5metres wide. I wanted 1 sliding door on the right side of the screen looking out from the kitchen. However the companies I have discussed it with either say divide the width into four with 2 fixed glass section, 1 at each end with 2 sliding doors in the centre (thats a lot of frames) or a second company says 3 panels with a tilt and push slider in the centre. Neither company will do a slider of 2.25 metres wide. I wanted double glaze. They have suggested one slider with a window at the left side of the screen, (looking out into the garden) and leave enough to do 2 panels one of which will be a slider, smaller than the 2.25 metres. However I don't need any more windows, the room has loads. sorry to go on so long. the other issue is that this has to be done quickly as the builder is in situ. Any ideas? Any help much appreciated.

PM sent

Gumbo

kceire wrote: »

Double glazed, argon filled, thermally broke frames and A rated glass.

He is paying €6700 supplied, fitted and guaranteed. But that also include a triangle fixed glazed panel above them effectively going into the facia and soffit of the gable wall.

Just to update this thread, and since it has been revived. The final glazed unit came to €7200 and that include end the cladding to the steel lintel etc. the width also increased to 5.2m.

It's a tilt and turn system with the right hand side as you look at the pic sliding completely over to the left hand side.

Finished article but crap photo from my phone.

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Looks very nice Hexosan.....good choice in colour. Is it Anthracite or Ral 7021?

Here is our double slider. 4x2.1m

hexosan

Not my one Miller its kceire

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hexosan wrote: »

Not my one Miller its kceire

Doh, my apologies...same sentiment to kceire though.

Gumbo

Amos Nice Cinnamon wrote: »

Looks very nice Hexosan.....good choice in colour. Is it Anthracite or Ral 7021?

Here is our double slider. 4x2.1m

[IMG]http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/Amos Nice Cinnamon/Housebuild/2015-03-10%2012.59.20_zps0s3oiuza.jpg[/IMG]

Amos Nice Cinnamon wrote: »

Doh, my apologies...same sentiment to kceire though.

its Anthracite alright but i didnt specify a RAL colour. They had a smaple in the showroom and we told them thats what we wanted.

We went with White on the internal side, same for the Velux windows.

Rhue15

Hello guys,
We have a very similar spending on a new build. Could you possibly pm the providers of those windows kceire? They are exactly what we've been looking for. Are they aluclad? Thank you very much in advance