New Hip Hop Moderator

Malice

Please welcome Aquila to the team. He will be picking up the slack as makaveli has decided he has better things to do with his time .

Bobby Baccala

Good luck man, so long makaveli.

Hugh Cream

Should have picked someone who uses the forum, conor would be a good mod.

Bobby Baccala

He obviously picked someone who has no personal beefs with anybody here, unlike you.

conor.hogan.2

Hugh Cream wrote: »

Should have picked someone who uses the forum, conor would be a good mod.

Appreciated, but I already probably spend too much time on boards.

Jimmy Iovine

I for one welcome our new overlord.

I do question the sensibility of choosing someone who has made 14 posts on this forum in the last 2 years. I hope it won't be a case of them just modding. Hopefully there'll be a bit of input in the forum as well.

Anyway, best of luck Aquila. You'll need it. Things can get a little feisty in here at the best of times.

Da Shins Kelly

Never heard of this person, but best of luck anyways.

Boom_Bap

Welcome to the club Aquila.

And can we give Makaveli a round of applause for his contribution as a mod here over the years. Hopefully we'll still see you around the place.

Makaveli

Not likely, but cheers.

Crann na Beatha

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Malice

Hugh Cream wrote: »

Should have picked someone who uses the forum, conor would be a good mod.

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

He obviously picked someone who has no personal beefs with anybody here, unlike you.

Jimmy Iovine wrote:

I do question the sensibility of choosing someone who has made 14 posts on this forum in the last 2 years.

Just in the interests of clarity, new moderator appointments aren't just made by me on a whim. The final veto for all appointments rests with the admins regardless of what I or any other moderator thinks. The bottom line is Aquila wouldn't have gotten the job if anyone felt he wasn't up to it so to him I say: Na zdrowie! .

As for a person's lack of visibility or whatever, I may have said this before on this forum but the point is the users make the forum by driving discussions, not the moderators.

mufcboy1999

agree with hugh here...

no offence to you Aquila but you have been a member here since 08, you don't appear to post here regularly at all?

seems very strange that you are giving the mod job here tbh, i taught someone more active here in the hip hop forum would of been more entitled to it.

i know i wouldn't be able for it for many reasons etc but there's a few straight up posters here who are active and come across quite level headed who would be suited to the job.

not stirring up but i feel someone who's a bit familiar with peoples backrounds here as posters etc would of been a better choice.

out of interest malice, why didnt you post a thread here encase someone more active in the hip hop forum could possibly put their name in the hat where we could vote or something etc?

you dont even post here that much in fairness malice so i think some one like boom bap or makaveli would of been better suited to make the decision...

fair play makaveli, good job. hope to still se you posting here the forums have been poppin the lat few months .

conor.hogan.2

Boards has its process for making mods, it is not down to each category it is who would be interested and who would be able.

As Malice said, it was not not her/his decision anyway.

mufcboy1999

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Boards has its process for making mods, it is not down to each category it is who would be interested and who would be able.

As Malice said, it was not not her/his decision anyway.

how can people be interested if they dont even know whats going on conor?

either way if thats the case its a bad system to decide mods.

Bobby Baccala

If it was up to me i certainly would have picked one of the regulars, either conor or MUFC, just because you both seem to be the most level headed, open minded lads on the forum in my opinion, whoever made the decisions should have looked into it and found someone with a decent knowledge of this forum and hip hop itself.

In saying all that it will most definitely be a good thing to have some new blood on the forum, everybody brings something different anyway and i look forward to your contributions Aquila

Jimmy Iovine

Aquila wrote: »

I wont just be here in the capacity of a mod,i wanna post more often and keep up to date with new rappers,songs etc.i will bring here examples of non English hip-hop from Central/East European countries too.so we can sample different styles

That's good to hear. I look forward to your opinions. I heard a guy from Germany last year and I was very impressed. Couldn't understand a word but his flow was nice.

Also Psy de la Rime from France are class. Soprano from that group was on one of the BET cyphers last year. Pretty unreal achievement for a guy rapping as Francís.

I find French and German lend themselves quite nicely to the flow in the song. The artist could be rapping about making a cup of tea but it sounds great to me.

Malice wrote: »

Just in the interests of clarity, new moderator appointments aren't just made by me on a whim. The final veto for all appointments rests with the admins regardless of what I or any other moderator thinks. The bottom line is Aquila wouldn't have gotten the job if anyone felt he wasn't up to it so to him I say: Na zdrowie! .

As for a person's lack of visibility or whatever, I may have said this before on this forum but the point is the users make the forum by driving discussions, not the moderators.

I wasn't fully questioning the decision. I accept the rules are there and I don't know anything about the procedure for modding. As I was told in Honours Maths for the Leaving, if you don't understand the formula then just accept it, don't question it. I got my pass so there must be some merit in that statement :pac:.

conor.hogan.2

You do not need to know what is "going on" to moderate. You need to stop posts that stray too off topic, or insults or anything illegal. As Paddy said someone new will be good.

Looking forward to hearing some eastern european rap, regardless if I don't understand a word of it.

Hugh Cream

what ever way its decided is irrelevant now, although maybe offering it to an existing member would have made sense, but then again, boards doesnt seem to work the way other forums do.
we have a new mod, wish him all the best, hopefully he knows the difference between trolling and the users driving the discussions.

mufcboy1999

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

If it was up to me i certainly would have picked one of the regulars, either conor or MUFC, just because you both seem to be the most level headed, open minded lads on the forum in my opinion, whoever made the decisions should have looked into it and found someone with a decent knowledge of this forum and hip hop itself.

In saying all that it will most definitely be a good thing to have some new blood on the forum, everybody brings something different anyway and i look forward to your contributions Aquila

great point, some new blood is what we need alright.

i wouldnt be able to mod because im too set in my own ways in terms of hip hop, i think conor is the same aswell you paddy ..

imagine the 3 of us trying to mod a young money v WU thread etc lol, i think theirs only one side we would be batting for .

who knows in the future that goes for everyone we all might become more mature/netural as posters, i think the next time something like this happens we should be made aware so if someone wants to throw there name in they can.:)

mufcboy1999

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

You do not need to know what is "going on" to moderate. You need to stop posts that stray too off topic, or insults or anything illegal. As Paddy said someone new will be good.

Looking forward to hearing some eastern european rap, regardless if I don't understand a word of it.

lol i meant to let us know they are looking for a new mod is all, like i said a heads up so someone who might of wanted to throw their hat in the ring could, would of been a fair and good idea.

conor.hogan.2

I do not see the day where I would say young money is better than WTC, but otherwise I agree.

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

lol i meant to know to let us know they are looking for a new is all, like i said a heads up so someone who might of wanted to put throw their hat in the ring would of been a fair and good idea.

Honestly I don't know why anyone would want to be a mod, but thats just me.

Crann na Beatha

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Mr. Rager

There's only a handful of regular posters on this forum (I wouldn't even call myself a regular atm, tbh I'm more of a lurker ) but imo bar Boom Bap none of them are fit to be a moderator of this forum. As previously mentioned, most posters here are set in their ways, and with so many conflicting opinions in hip-hop, I don't think that would be the best quality to have while trying to mod.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with being set in your ways, it's great to stand up for your opinions. I just think a mod of a forum like this one should have an open mind. Perhaps a non-regular who already has experience being a mod is the right way to go. Good luck Aquila

mufcboy1999

There's only a handful of regular posters on this forum (I wouldn't even call myself a regular atm, tbh I'm more of a lurker ) but imo bar Boom Bap none of them are fit to be a moderator of this forum. As previously mentioned, most posters here are set in their ways, and with so many conflicting opinions in hip-hop, I don't think that would be the best quality to have while trying to mod.

ye a pretty honest but neutral opinion, i think your dead right to be honest as regards to most of us.

but the way it was done is still a bit shady, but lets move on hopefully the next time malice might let people know whats going on.

Zaph

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

i taught someone more active here in the hip hop forum would of been more entitled to it.

There is no entitlement when it comes to appointing a new mod. Aquila has a proven track record as a good mod of several other forums, and if there were any concerns about his ability to mod this forum he would not have been offered the modship.

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

but the way it was done is still a bit shady

There was nothing shady at all about the appointment. There is a proscribed process for appointing new mods and it was followed.

Hugh Cream

fjsanchez wrote: »

There's only a handful of regular posters on this forum (I wouldn't even call myself a regular atm, tbh I'm more of a lurker ) but imo bar Boom Bap none of them are fit to be a moderator of this forum. As previously mentioned, most posters here are set in their ways, and with so many conflicting opinions in hip-hop, I don't think that would be the best quality to have while trying to mod.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with being set in your ways, it's great to stand up for your opinions. I just think a mod of a forum like this one should have an open mind. Perhaps a non-regular who already has experience being a mod is the right way to go. Good luck Aquila

nah not having that, i can name a few, its not rocket science, neither is everyone here mental cases, a few have common sense.
like i said, conor being one, jimmy iovine and prettyboy being two more.

Makaveli

I don't see the problem. Everyone should just give Aquila the chance to settle in rather than questioning his appointment. A mods job first and foremost is maintenance of the forum.

I didn't publicly make a thread to say I was stepping down, I gave Malice and Boom Bap the heads up and left it with Malice to bring it to the admins. Just because people are regular posters doesn't necessarily give them an entitlement to modding the forum. I don't see why it's an issue anyway, Aquila's lack of prior activity on the forum will most likely prove to be a positive not a negative. He won't have prejudice towards regular posters coming into the position.

Anyway, that's all I have to say on it. Best of luck Aquila, you've got a good guy as a co-mod in Boom Bap.

mufcboy1999

Zaph wrote: »

There is no entitlement when it comes to appointing a new mod. Aquila has a proven track record as a good mod of several other forums, and if there were any concerns about his ability to mod this forum he would not have been offered the modship.



There was nothing shady at all about the appointment. There is a proscribed process for appointing new mods and it was followed.

fair enough i see where your coming from alright but i was just saying there's one or two here who would possibly make good mods and might have liked to be given the chance is all.

i mean how otherwise how can normal regular posters here ever be given the chance if we dont know whats going on?

whatever about the aquila appointment, i wish him the best of luck.. im just on about for future situations.

Da Shins Kelly

I think it's better to have someone who is relatively neutral. A fresh pair of eyes and ears could bring a new freshness to the goings on here with regards to contributions and enforcing law and order.

mufcboy1999

im not starting anything or being smart but aquila you never post here, an existing member should of got the mod job or a more regular poster. It was a joke of an appointment in fairness, nothing to do with your modding skills its just more so to do with the fact your never active here

Bobby Baccala

In fairness if ever anything is reported aquila responds to it, that's what he's here for.

mufcboy1999

I found the appointment strange at the beginning and I find it even more so now because Aquila clearly doesn't have that much of an interest. On all the forums i post on the mods are regulars and build a kind of relationship with the posters as most of us do (just in terms of getting an idea of what we like etc in terms of the forum)

Basically what looks to have happened here imo is malice just hired an enforcer, a terminator if you will

Malice

Okay, in the interest of a certain amount of transparency I'll respond to the points raised.

mufcboy1999 wrote:

Basically what looks to have happened here imo is malice just hired an enforcer, a terminator if you will

Aquila's appointment wasn't solely down to me at all. It was done, as all mod appointments are, in consultation with the existing forum moderators and the admins.

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

I found the appointment strange at the beginning and I find it even more so now because Aquila clearly doesn't have that much of an interest. On all the forums i post on the mods are regulars and build a kind of relationship with the posters as most of us do (just in terms of getting an idea of what we like etc in terms of the forum)

Why does someone have to have an interest in forums they moderate? Sure it helps but in terms of keeping the peace and moving or locking threads as necessary it's hardly a requirement is it?

mufcboy1999 wrote:

an existing member should of got the mod job or a more regular poster.

To follow on from the above questions, someone being a prolific poster doesn't and shouldn't entitle them to any sort of special benefits should it? If it did then people could just spam loads of YouTube videos or something to boost their postcount without really contributing to any discussions. There is also then the problem of existing members potentially being more lenient towards their forum buddies.

Moderator appointments are not done on a whim and a moderator's visibility or activity shouldn't be used for criticism without a good reason. If the forum was overrun with spam and no one was dealing with it then we'd have a problem. Just because Aquila's not jumping into the "Unpopular Hip Hop Opinions" or "Irish Hip Hop threads" isn't a cause for concern to me.

Boom_Bap

So far, Aquila's appointment here as my Co-Mod has been sucessful. 100%.

I completely understand why there is some grumblings as he is not active in day to day discussions. But this is actually a benefit in my eyes. And he actively is looking at the forum and we are in contact when something needs to be done.

I'm normally connected to a computer so will probably be first to react to something going on that requires a mod ruling. But there are those times where I am not accessible and Aquila has stepped in seemlessly. I've racked up a fair few air-miles since Aquila's appointment and been in remote areas with no internet access, and Aquila has been there for anything needed. This transperancy of moderation from the general users perspective is a positive and shows that it's working.

And just to echo Malice, the appointment was not an easy process, there was alot of consideration and discussion involved, but ultimately, I believe that we got the right mod at the end of the day.

mufcboy1999

Aquila's appointment wasn't solely down to me at all. It was done, as all mod appointments are, in consultation with the existing forum moderators and the admins.

ok no problem my bad, i taught it was down to you.

Why does someone have to have an interest in forums they moderate? Sure it helps but in terms of keeping the peace and moving or locking threads as necessary it's hardly a requirement is it?

it more than helps, someone with knowledge of the situation/posters is more likely to solve it. An enforcer was given the job and tbh things have been very calm of late since his appointment, which is good but the forum isn't as hectic as it use to be so in a way there wasnt much to do.

To follow on from the above questions, someone being a prolific poster doesn't and shouldn't entitle them to any sort of special benefits should it?

im not saying that but in fairness like i said before there's a few name's here i would of put forward for the job and they would of been a lot better imo. People weren't alerted or given a chance to throw their names in the hat, id hate to be a mod but there's a few here that are active and know the score as they been posting years. Instead it looks to me that more than likely a friend of a friend got it with little or no history of posting here.

Just because Aquila's not jumping into the "Unpopular Hip Hop Opinions" or "Irish Hip Hop threads" isn't a cause for concern to me.

he's not jumping into any threads or showing any interest in any discussion, thats all im saying.

@boom bap you might look at is a success but like i said there's not much hassle here anymore (which is good) so its been an easy ride. Personally i just think it would be good too see Aquila post more regularly like yourself and actually show an interest instead of acting like a terminator only to appear once in a blue moon.

Bobby Baccala

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

and tbh things have been very calm of late since his appointment

That's because pretty soon after he became mod he did his job well and finally banned a certain person who was the main instigator of all the arguing that used to go on here. It's a lot more peaceful around here since then and you only get the odd argument here and there that is sorted pretty quickly if it gets out of hand, I like this forum more without all the arguing that used to happen. Makes for better,more productive discussion but that's just my 2 cents.

Mr. Rager

I miss the instigator of all the trouble. I miss the fighting. I miss having to post the "popcorn.gif"

mufcboy1999

I got on well with Hugh cream, just clash of a few opinions is all. I'd like too see him return here posting and everyone just move on from previous beefs , I don't think he's permnatly banned is he ?

The arguments were entertaining though in fairness, we all had a part to play in them.

Bobby Baccala

I think he's perma-banned yeah, he kinda lost it in the irish hip hop show thread ages ago and was never heard from again lol

mufcboy1999

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

I think he's perma-banned yeah, he kinda lost it in the irish hip hop show thread ages ago and was never heard from again lol

He was passionate about bad the majority of Irish hip hop is and tbh I agreed with him on it. I'd like too see the ban uplifted if it's for good, I know Hugh posts on the r'n'b forum so I might ask him what the story is.

Da Shins Kelly

Is it really that big a deal? So one of the moderators doesn't participate that much in the discussions, it doesn't really have any bearing on the discussions the rest of us are having.

mufcboy1999

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Is it really that big a deal? So one of the moderators doesn't participate that much in the discussions, it doesn't really have any bearing on the discussions the rest of us are having.

No big deal just find it odd, I think when no one showed an interest in the eastern European rap he stopped participating in discussion.

Malice

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

I don't think he's permnatly banned is he ?

Hugh Cream was banned from this forum at his own request so he can be unbanned at his own request any time. All he has to do is ask.

mufcboy1999 wrote:

it more than helps, someone with knowledge of the situation/posters is more likely to solve it. An enforcer was given the job and tbh things have been very calm of late since his appointment, which is good but the forum isn't as hectic as it use to be so in a way there wasnt much to do.

That's fair enough about local knowledge being useful. I took the opposite viewpoint earlier but it's true that it can go both ways . As for the forum not requiring much moderation surely that's a good thing? If people aren't acting the twat then users can focus on having good-quality discussions which in turn should result in more people posting. Remember users drive forum discussions far more than moderators.

mufcboy1999 wrote:

im not saying that but in fairness like i said before there's a few name's here i would of put forward for the job and they would of been a lot better imo. People weren't alerted or given a chance to throw their names in the hat, id hate to be a mod but there's a few here that are active and know the score as they been posting years. Instead it looks to me that more than likely a friend of a friend got it with little or no history of posting here.

On admin instruction moderator appointments are not conducted via people volunteering or friends of friends getting a nod. That may have been true in the past but not any more. There are too many layers to go through where the suitability of a person must be justified.

mufcboy1999 wrote:

he's not jumping into any threads or showing any interest in any discussion, thats all im saying.

Well in fairness that's not quite all you are saying. You bumped the thread with this:

mufcboy1999 wrote:

It was a joke of an appointment

and you haven't really elaborated on why you think it was a joke. If Aquila is quiet as a moderator then he doesn't really affect the day-to-day discussions on the forum does he? If that's where the issue is then it's down to the users of the forum to collectively improve the experience isn't it? None of you are children who need their hands held.

Boom_Bap

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

@boom bap you might look at is a success but like i said there's not much hassle here anymore (which is good) so its been an easy ride. Personally i just think it would be good too see Aquila post more regularly like yourself and actually show an interest instead of acting like a terminator only to appear once in a blue moon.

I know that Aquila does have a interest in Polish Hip Hop, but I don't think that gets much discussion time here

tossy

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I know that Aquila does have a interest in Polish Hip Hop, but I don't think that gets much discussion time here

That's because it's probably ACTUALLY hip hop

mufcboy1999

look theres no point in going back and forth anymore. I see it that a mod should have a genuine interest in the forum he mods and should be active every now and again while you dont, lets just leave it.:)

Malice

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

look theres no point in going back and forth anymore. I see it that a mod should have a genuine interest in the forum he mods and should be active every now and again while you dont, lets just leave it.:)

Well you've a right to air your concerns and we do welcome feedback as we all use Boards differently.

With that said, you're right, I don't see a problem here. Have a look around at other forums you visit. Not all Soccer mods post regularly, not all Pro Evo & FIFA mods post regularly and guess what, not all Call of Duty mods post regularly either.

Orizio

Makaveli wrote: »

Not likely, but cheers.

...noooooo Mak why you leaving?