Good news & bad news

Gonzor

THis is the second time Ive tried to type and post this, so Im keep it short this time

The good news is I picked up my 270 this morning. I was ecstatic about it. Until I got the bad news.

Literally an hour after picking it up I got a call from the lad who gives me my land permission to say that I wont be getting any more permissions from him as he got a offered a lot of money to not let anyone else shoot the land. I can shoot away for the rest of the year, but next year Im gone :mad:

I went from being on a complete high to being in the worst mood ever :mad:

So I guess Im just wondering now what am I going to do for next year... his land was perfect, its just around the 300 acre size and not too far away.

You need 100 acres for the licence isnt it? Or can you get 5 or 6 permissions and each one with 50 or 60 acres?

ALso how many people can be signed to use a certain permission, I know one lad that would have around 200 acres but I know for a fact he gives his nephew permission on it. Is there any way I could get signed on that land aswell?

robbie mars

Knock on doors and ask all they can say is no it won't hurt just keep doing it you will eventually get some body who will say yes just my 2 cents worth
one of my permissions has twenty lads signed and not one shoots on it anyway don't know about the 100 acre rule though

Gonzor

20 lads really? Any chance you could pm me who the person is..?? (IM presuming they are Dundalk based since your a Dundalk man yourself.)

TossL1916

Sorry to hear that Gonzor,
Was it a hunter who paid him off or someone else?

Gonzor

TossL1916 wrote: »

Sorry to hear that Gonzor,
Was it a hunter who paid him off or someone else?

I didnt ask him TossL. I was so shocked when he told me that my mind went blank. ALthough going on some of the stories Ive being reading about here on boards.ie I reckon that its probably one of those lads selling holiday packages to tourists that paid him off... :rolleyes:

tac foley

This seems to have been happening a lot in the recent year - I recall a thread on this boards about a consortium of 'deer-hunters' going around buying up shoots, robbing them blind of deer by shooting everything had had four legs, selling the meat at rock bottom prices and then moving on.

Anyone else remember that?

tac

It wasn't me!

Not unusual. Simple fact is farmers have a commodity to sell, and now they're doing so. Have seen plenty of "Lands to tender - All previous shooting permissions revoked" signs up in the locality here. Some will tell you that all you have to do is go around asking, and that's true, but it's better if you're known to them, and there's definitely a trend of having to pay for shooting now.

Erk

Hi gonzor yes it is a minimum of 100 acres I got four separate people and put them down on the license

Gonzor

Erk wrote: »

Hi gonzor yes it is a minimum of 100 acres

I was hoping that wouldnt be the case

At least theres no number on the amount of lads that can shoot on the 100 acres, so I guess its not all bad

I think Im just going to have to get out and get banging on doors and see will that get me anything. I know I have a year left with this permission but Id still rather get a new permission sorted now and not be waiting till the last minute.

Birdnuts

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Not unusual. Simple fact is farmers have a commodity to sell, and now they're doing so. Have seen plenty of "Lands to tender - All previous shooting permissions revoked" signs up in the locality here. Some will tell you that all you have to do is go around asking, and that's true, but it's better if you're known to them, and there's definitely a trend of having to pay for shooting now.

Prices seem to vary widely though depending on where you are in the country - spent the last week staying with relations near Hollymount Co. Mayo in prime woodcock/wildfowl country. Learnt from a farmer there I know that a chap operating out of Ballinrobe is taking German hunters around the place after woodcock/snipe. I asked how much the landowners were getting - suprised to hear they were simply getting gifts at Chritsmas time etc. Sounds like a serious winner for the outfitter

browning 12 bore

as far as i was aware there lads its a minimum of 190 acres here around wicklow and yes you would be mad to pay for land i was told that as well this day and age years ago was ok but not now in my eyes and as aomeone else said there go knock on doors the farmers wount bite the head of you or anything i have around 8 or 9 lads farms i look after them as in foxing and keeping deer population down and there over the moon with that so i wish you the very best of luck with your 270 there lad

4200fps

There's no minimum of acres of land needed as far as i know. Its all down to the population of deer on the land to the amount of licences that was issued to shoot the deer on that land. Some people have deer licences to hunt on as little as 50 acres. Contact NPWS in Ballybay they be best to ask.Also I've no memory of seeing minimum of any amount of acres needed on deer licence application. I've heard before of a guy who had three different lands with giving permission to shoot and one of them wasn't suitable as deer population on that land wasn't enough so the application didn't go through. He had to call the ranger to see what the problem was and this is what he was told. He dropped that land on next application and got it. There's to much nonsense to deer licences as the NPWS don't tell you why it was declined unless you make it your business to find out. Hard to believe some dummy's are paying big money to shoot them

cruisedub1

I'm curious about the legal implication's of selling the shooting right's on land a farmer own"s , particularly with liability with regard to any injury or damage caused by someone who has paid the farmer to shoot on the land in question . For example if a hunter injures or kills a person during the course his activities I would think the farmer would find himself being sued for damages .

landkeeper

cruisedub1 wrote: »

I'm curious about the legal implication's of selling the shooting right's on land a farmer own"s , particularly with liability with regard to any injury or damage caused by someone who has paid the farmer to shoot on the land in question . For example if a hunter injures or kills a person during the course his activities I would think the farmer would find himself being sued for damages .

why would you think its any different whether the shooting is paid for or given freely ,any landowner who lets anyone onto their land without adequete insurance these days is naive .

cruisedub1

My point is this . Probably the vast majority of farmers who let people shoot on their land have either no public liability insurance or are under insured . Also can you imagine how high you premium would go up if you rang you insurance company to increase your coverage and told them it was because your letting people shoot over your land .

landkeeper

i think you are being naive assuming farmers have little or no public liability insurance,:rolleyes: every one i know does, as it will be included in a general farm policy that covers buildings stock on the road pli etc etc
just cos we are farmers were not eejits you know