double rifle

dermot218

hi lads does anybody know if you can get a double rifle in 243 calibre and if so how good are they i know there fairly common in eastern europe

hefferboi

*Rifle.

rowa

baikal were doing a side by side or over and under "express" rifle , they tended to be in heavier calibres though , 30-06 and up, they were cheap though.

dermot218

have they the same range as a standard rifle i presume they have open sights

It wasn't me!

.243's not exactly in the traditional realm of the double rifle cartridge/usage spectrum, don't know of any made in it. Wouldn't have nearly the same utility for conventional hunting as a bolt gun either. They tend to have simple open sights and are designed for shooting at short range at big game. Why are you interested in a double gun, specifically?

rowa

http://www.yorkguns.com/baikal_rifles.php

be a cracking gun for wild boar shooting.

Hibrion

Double rifles are usually used for driven game or big game hunting. Due to the short distances, they tend to be set up to perform within 80 yards or so.

I'd love one for driven game, but it wouldn't be something I'd choose for deer stalking.

dermot218

i seen one on a book last night was just wondering about them id say they would be more suited to africa and asia

It wasn't me!

Yeah, they're popular enough for driven game on the continent, but their real origin is as big game stoppers in Africa. Perfect for both duties of course. Tend to be heavy, to control the big cartridges involved, so you probably wouldn't much like one for hill stalking, and it'd be totally useless trying to pull off a 250 yard shot as well. For avoiding getting trampled, eaten or gored however by the variety of things out there capable of doing a person some damage, I'd take one every day.

323

Been facinated by these since tried one years ago and been looking and seriously considering getting a double for a while now, bigger caliber although one still not restricted here.
Working at the moment with a bunch of lads from the continent who hunt and they seem to consider the double as fairly normal.

Scope, is not a problem and more the norm.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/merkel_141rifle_scope.jpg

Could be wrong but believe most continental makers regulate to 150yards while the british traditionally regulated to less than 100 yards.

I'd still keep a bolt rifle for open hill huntin.

.243 Win is available in a double from a few continental makers, personally would prefare a flanged cartridge in a break open rifle. Only one available in the .243/6mm bore I'm aware of is the 6x70R, looks cool but a bit low powered.

http://ballistics.norma.cc/sortimentjakt.asp?Kaliber=5&Lang=2&Kalibernamn=6x70R

Horses for courses I believe, Pricewise, doubles seem to be available on the continent for same or often a lot less than many of the tactical/target rifles so popular here.

Grizzly 45

Give CZ a miss in thse designs.They might make good .22lr and pistols,but in bigger double rifles their steel quality control is appaling!!We have an O/U 9.3 double rifle ,and it is slowly warping around the reciver block from usage.
What you pay is what you get in double rifles. .243 isnt a known double rifle calibre,but if you really want one Ferlach of Austria,makes all sorts of weird and wonderful combos,be prepared to lay down big bucks though.
:P

Hibrion

Have a look a the 7x57 in a double. That seems to be a fine calibre. it wouldn't kick as hard as a 9.3 or the like either.

323

Been facinated by these since tried one years ago and been looking and seriously considering getting a double for a while now, bigger caliber although one still not restricted here.
Working at the moment with a bunch of lads from the continent who hunt and they seem to consider the double as fairly normal.

Scope, is not a problem and more the norm.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/merkel_141rifle_scope.jpg

Could be wrong but believe most continental makers regulate to 150yards while the british traditionally regulated to less than 100 yards.

I'd still keep a bolt rifle for open hill huntin.

.243 Win is available in a double from a few continental makers, personally would prefare a flanged cartridge in a break open rifle. Only one available in the .243/6mm bore I'm aware of is the 6x70R, looks cool but a bit low powered.

http://ballistics.norma.cc/sortimentjakt.asp?Kaliber=5&Lang=2&Kalibernamn=6x70R

Horses for courses I believe, Pricewise, doubles seem to be available on the continent for same or often a lot less than many of the tactical/target rifles so popular here.

Hunter21

Seen one in Landers in Tralee last autumn jeez it was some piece of kit! Red dot sight on top also 10g shotgun on top with a big capacity mag, single shot rifle on the bottom. Was restricted though as it had a pistol grip.

Was something Armed response would envy as it was black sythetic and all

rowa

323 wrote: »

.243 Win is available in a double from a few continental makers, personally would prefare a flanged cartridge in a break open rifle. Only one available in the .243/6mm bore I'm aware of is the 6x70R, looks cool but a bit low powered.

the round to go for there would be the 7.62x54r mosin nagant round, its rimmed and powerful.

dermot218

thanks for all the info lads

Double Barrel

The double rifle is the only rifle you can have that started it's life as a hunting rifle. All other types started out as war weapon's, and were reworked and applied to the hunting fields.

I have no way of knowing for sure, but as a dreamer of sorts, I think the guy who invented the double barrel rifle probably survived an encounter where one barrel got him by--but just barely. Whether a charging lion or two guys with spears, a second barrel could come in handy at the correct time and place.
Single barrels are self-explanatory, shoot the gun and run like the dickens. Shooters of yore firing black powder front muzzle stuffers even practiced running and loading which was probably one of those real handy things like having a tomahawk and the ability to use it.

There is much to choose from, I have even seen a few in .22lr & hornets, , .240 H & H, .275 Rigby Flanged, 7x65R Brennekee, 8x57jr, 30.30, .300 H & H Flanged, .303 British, .318 Westley Richards and the list goes on.

tac foley

Chapuis are probably the most common of the budget double-rifles. Still VERY beautiful guns though, in spite of their bargain basement prices by the standard of the more commonly-known English double rifle builders - Holland & Holland and Churchill.

Chapuis even have a bespoke service - all at around 6-8000eu up.

Plus you need to go to France - surely no hardship these days.

From practical experience I can advise you to stay well away from the Baikal double unless you really MUST have a double no matter...they really are bl00dy awful.

tac