Faking It: How the Media Manipulates the World into War

43109

I watched a fantastic video by James Corbett some weeks ago (I'm sure many of you here are familiar with his work)

If you haven't watched it already, I highly recommend anyone reading this to do so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4P2O8UjQeU

He argues that mainstream media (mainly conglomerates) are deliberately manipulating people into supporting wars.

Gasp! ...shocking revelation! ...okay, not for many people anyway.

What is a conglomerate?

Prolific examples would be:

News Corporation owned by Rupert Murdoch and Time Warner

Those are 2 of the biggest but something a lot of people overlook is where many of the subsidiaries source their news from. Where does Fox, CNN, CBS, BBC, RTE and many other news organizations around the world source their information from?

Thomson Reuters are based in London and are primarily owned by the Rothschild Family.

Before you start moaning about this being a CT, this is a CT forum obviously so I think i'm allowed a little leverage to discuss this further.

Reuters were acquired by the Rothschild family in 1800's and has since then been the source of news for organizations all over the globe.

In 'The Zionist Story' it is claimed that Jews and Palestinians lived side by side for many years and it wasn't until Rothschild became involved that it all started to go wrong.

I'm slightly moving away from the reason I started this thread but these videos offer amazing insight into much of the problems that exist in Middle East today.

Today, Reuters published the following headline.
Israel says Iran seeking U.S.-range missile

The author of this article is none other than Jeffrey Heller who is a propagandist for Israel.

Of course, when I saw this it immediately made me think of the Iraq 'September Dossier' just before invasion of Iraq in 2003 which led to 100k Iraqi deaths and immeasurable pain and suffering for anyone left alive.

We can also agree that Saddam Hussein most certainly has chemical and biological weapons and is working towards a nuclear capability. The dossier contains confirmation of information that we either knew or most certainly should have been willing to assume.

It looks like Israel are dragging the US into a conflict which does not concern the US.
Sorry this isn't very detailed but I think most intelligent people can see through the bull**** out there.

Finally, a little cartoon I thought was funny (in tragic sense)

Jonny7

Their website - http://tv.globalresearch.ca/ - is covered in Russia Today videos, which was setup by Putin and is run by the Kremlin. If that isn't the definition of irony I don't know what is

43109

I'm perplexed by your post jonny7.

Are the contents of the video made by James Corbett inaccurate? If so, please point out the inaccuracies.

If you can't do that, you just sound like someone from FOX news, illustrated quite well in the following:

43109

I think it's important to distinguish the difference between a deliberate lie published by Reuters intended to drum up support for a war against Iran and a research organization which Jonny7 claims is supported by Vladimir Putin.

Being conditioned by the idiocy of western media, I also once believed all muslims were evil without ever meeting one face to face.

And now for the really ignorant masses, here is Jews Against Zionism which argues against the stupidity of Netanyahu and his nutcase supporters.

stuar

Welcome to the forum 43109, hope you stick around, some good stuff your posting.

You'll encounter ignorance is bliss people here, just try educate them a little, no promises they'll listen though.
Ignorance is bliss definition

Not knowing something is often more comfortable than knowing it.

And knowing/believing utter b0llix is worse again.

Jonny7

43109 wrote: »

I think it's important to distinguish the difference between a deliberate lie published by Reuters intended to drum up support for a war against Iran and a research organization which Jonny7 claims is supported by Vladimir Putin.

Russia Today is media propaganda.

Why did they just make a documentary about media propaganda, yet then feature so much of that propaganda on their site?

Hmmm, little odd isnt it

Jaafa

Jonny7 wrote: »

Russia Today is media propaganda.

Why did they just make a documentary about media propaganda, yet then feature so much of that propaganda on their site?

Hmmm, little odd isnt it

Either contribute to the thread/ forum or stop posting unbacked claims about news organisations. What is the point of your post? Do you think simply stating what is or isn't trustworthy according to you, will change peoples minds? Stop wasting everyones time, and actually engage in debate, you know, kinda what the purpose of a forum is.

Jonny7

Jaafa wrote: »

Either contribute to the thread/ forum or stop posting unbacked claims about news organisations. What is the point of your post? Do you think simply stating what is or isn't trustworthy according to you, will change peoples minds?

Proof isn't a requirement of an obvious statement.

If OP wants to challenge my claim, then I'll back it up, like I've done probably a dozen times with RT.

Russia Today is closer to propaganda than most Western media outlets - it runs many conspiracy theories, has a clear agenda, was ironically set-up by Putin to counter Western media influence, and rarely if ever criticises the Kremlin.

Stop wasting everyones time, and actually engage in debate, you know, kinda what the purpose of a forum is.

Perhaps take a leaf out of your own book

Tzar Chasm

How about a Balanced position where you take News from multiple sources and try tofigure out the truth for yourself.

For Example some of the European news outlets were very vocal about Putins *cough* 'Alleged' *Cough*;) vote rigging during the last election yet they have all mostly been singin from the same songbook on How these Bailouts are the only solution to Europes curent crisis with very few alternate viewpoints being offered.

So if you want to know whats happening in one sector of the world have a look at what the other sectors are reporting.

43109

Interview with Max Blumenthal on The Real News Network discussing Israeli attempts to drag US into a war with Iran

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkrHMNEQndY

And before some badly informed people on this forum say he's anti-semitic, he's actually Jewish. Try to think of something more original if that's possible for you.

I have to laugh at the idiotic responses to Corbetts fantastic analysis focusing on the news organisation and claiiming it to be owned by Putin..ridiculous statement.
James Corbett has nothing to do with Russia, but anyone with a brain would know this already.

humanji

Stuar infracted. There's no excuse for insulting or belittling anybody.

And that goes for everyone.

Jaafa

Proof isn't a requirement of an obvious statement.

You know full well many people on this forum follow RT, and would not consider your statement 'obvious'.

If OP wants to challenge my claim, then I'll back it up, like I've done probably a dozen times with RT.

Fair enough we'll see how that goes.

Russia Today is closer to propaganda than most Western media outlets - it runs many conspiracy theories, has a clear agenda, was ironically set-up by Putin to counter Western media influence, and rarely if ever criticises the Kremlin.

Every single news organisation is influenced by outside sources, of course RT mainly tows the Kremlin line, I don't think here would deny that, however you cannot simply say give a blanket assessment of 'propaganda' and disregard every single article RT ever produces. Like I said before I'm sure even Fox news gets it right some of the time (maybe).

[QUOTEPerhaps take a leaf out of your own book][/QUOTE]

Thanks for the advice.

Brown Bomber

43109 wrote: »

Interview with Max Blumenthal on The Real News Network .

You've opened up a can of worms there...:D Jonny doesn't like The Real News Network either.

Jonny7 wrote: »

"The real news" - looks at video, then clicks on user to check their youtube site, looks at other "real news" videos, closes tab

Why do CTers fall for these videos every time?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=74060096&postcount=13

Jonny7 wrote: »

Watched video, checked source (youtube user), found most if not all their videos exist just to malign US/Israel.

If someone in a suit in an expensive looking studio announces a news story, CTer's don't believe it.
If someone in a suit in an expensive looking studio announces a news story on youtube, CTer's believe it.

Of course Jonny goes quiet when it turns out that The Real News Network was actually correct. That he was foolish to ignore and dismiss their investigations which was better than anything in the mainstream at the time.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056357494&page=3

Jonny7

Brown Bomber wrote: »

You've opened up a can of worms there...:D Jonny doesn't like The Real News Network either.

They aren't in any way shape or form "real news". One look at their youtube channel tells you this. Unless you think the world consists of only two countries or something

Jonny7

Jaafa wrote: »

You know full well many people on this forum follow RT, and would not consider your statement 'obvious'.

Many don't understand its basically Fox News.

Every single news organisation is influenced by outside sources, of course RT mainly tows the Kremlin line, I don't think here would deny that, however you cannot simply say give a blanket assessment of 'propaganda' and disregard every single article RT ever produces. Like I said before I'm sure even Fox news gets it right some of the time (maybe).

Not exactly the best choice for a self-professed anti-propaganda documentary site.

Brown Bomber

Jonny7 wrote: »

They aren't in any way shape or form "real news". One look at their youtube channel tells you this. Unless you think the world consists of only two countries or something

OK...prove it! Tell me specifically what is wrong in the report you dismissed and show me a more accurate mainstream news report from the same day.

Throwing the baby out with the bathwater will get you nowhere. Rejecting everything alternative newsites say is as stupid as believing everything they say. It's a conditioned response to reject "conspiracy theories", you'll never accept this because this is part of the conditioning.

Let's face it if Mossad are posing as CIA in Iran to arrange with Iranian terror groups, terror attacks on Iranian citizens to create conflict between Israel's ally, patron and protector the US and Iran then there isn't much skullduggery that is off-limits.

I'm no particular fan of Russia Today, I am aware that there is an agenda as there seems to me to be with all news outlets but what you can achieve is information that you won't get on BBC, CNN, Al Jazeera. For example, I remember they had a Russian General on when the whole world was uncritically reporting/accepting as fact the fabrication that Gadaffi was carrying out airstrikes on protestors. On Russia Today they had on a Russian General who said "This never happened...We have radar/satellite monitoring in the area and I can assure you this never happened".

Jonny7

Brown Bomber wrote: »

OK...prove it! Tell me specifically what is wrong in the report you dismissed and show me a more accurate mainstream news report from the same day.

I attacked "the real news" as a news site.

Every story on their youtube list at the time were typical alarmist stories about either the US or Israel. It was far worse than the likes of Fox News.

I only ever encounter these type of "news" sites on conspiracy theory forums, this particular one I hadn't come across before.

I checked their mainpage recently, they seem to have taken tentative steps outside the US/Israeli spectrum - but both still feature very heavily.

Throwing the baby out with the bathwater will get you nowhere. Rejecting everything alternative newsites say is as stupid as believing everything they say. It's a conditioned response to reject "conspiracy theories", you'll never accept this because this is part of the conditioning.

Focus on the source. For instance, as I said in another thread, I don't quote Israeli media on anything to do with Iran because its generally quite biased or skewed

It's not good to have a strong belief mechanism (e.g. suspicion of Zionism) that needs validated by alternative news sites.



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Brown Bomber

Jonny7 wrote: »

I attacked "the real news" as a news site.

You also said: "Why do CTers fall for these videos every time?"

The "these videos" in this instance that you were referring to specifically this report by The Real News from the 19th of August.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHewp5PkjJ8

Your use of the term "fall for" is quite explicit,

fall for1. To feel love for; be in love with.
2. To be deceived or swindled by:

You claimed that "Cters" were "deceived or swindled". Unfortunately for you The Real News was neither swindling nor deceiving but investigating on meagre resources and digging deeper and getting closer to the truth than any mainstream outfit did. Unfortunately for the Palestinians the Israelis killed children in their revenge attacks against innocents. The mainstream did not investigate Israel's flimsy excuses for carrying out revenge attacks on innocent Palestinians. Had they done so they might not have gotten away with killing innocent people or at least thought twice before they did so.

So I ask you again. Now, with the benefit of hindsight can you provide a better investigative report from the mainstream press from on or near the same date than the report that you rubbished?

And if you can't is there not a lesson to be learned for you here?

jackiebaron

Jonny7 wrote: »

Their website - http://tv.globalresearch.ca/ - is covered in Russia Today videos, which was setup by Putin and is run by the Kremlin. If that isn't the definition of irony I don't know what is

Vladimir Putin says that 2 + 2 = 4, so clearly it doesn't and all the fundamentals of mathematics must now be re-examined.

:rolleyes:

Jonny7

jackiebaron wrote: »

Vladimir Putin says that 2 + 2 = 4, so clearly it doesn't and all the fundamentals of mathematics must now be re-examined.

:rolleyes:

I've never seen anyone question Putin here. Despite the fact that there are so many conspiracies, coverups, journalists deaths for the last decade in Russia.

Jonny7

Brown Bomber wrote: »

You also said: "Why do CTers fall for these videos every time?"

"The Real News Network is a global online video news network that listens to and is dependent on its audience. No ads. No government subsidies, no corporate sponsorship."

Yet it took me less than 5 seconds to spot the majority of their reports focused on only two countries, and not in any objective way.

Tzar Chasm

Jonny7 wrote: »

jackiebaron wrote: »

Vladimir Putin says that 2 + 2 = 4, so clearly it doesn't and all the fundamentals of mathematics must now be re-examined.

:rolleyes:

I've never seen anyone question Putin here. Despite the fact that there are so many conspiracies, coverups, journalists deaths for the last decade in Russia.

I'm fairly sure someone brought up litvichenko and the radiation murders, there were also questions about Russian involvement in the polish air tragedy last year iirc.

Jonny7

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

I'm fairly sure someone brought up litvichenko and the radiation murders, there were also questions about Russian involvement in the polish air tragedy last year iirc.

That's two in the last five years.

In fairness, for a major power which engages in espionage, subterfuge, cover-ups, suppression, support of dictators, etc, etc it gets off pretty light in the conspiracy theory department

ed2hands

Russian involvement in the Polish air tragedy last year?

Bollocks. Think about it.

Stereomaniac

I'm thinking. I need it to be spelled out to me please. I am a bit slow with these things but have an interest in what you're saying. Can you please expand further on this point, Ed?

ed2hands

Stereomaniac wrote: »

I'm thinking. I need it to be spelled out to me please. I am a bit slow with these things but have an interest in what you're saying. Can you please expand further on this point, Ed?

Ok:).
Just my opinion of course.

What did Russia have to gain by causing the plane to somehow crash? I mean Poland or it's government are not an existential threat to Russia in any way bar a few disagreements about resource supply.
There is no logical reason for Russia to plan or execute a mass assassination of the Polish administration. It just makes no sense.

It was a foggy day. The pilot was under pressure to land by the planes' occupants. The pilot took a risk and tried to land. No mystery really as to what happened and why.

There's no love lost between the Polish people and Russia historically. For good reason. The plane was headed for Katyn, a place of high significance for both countries. Diplomatic relations had been quite good in general considering the history. So it just doesn't add up that they would have any part in carrying out or being implicated in such an outrageous act such as this.

The circumstances speak for themselves.

shedweller

There's something about that polish plane crash that i can't exactly remember. I think it might have had something to do with the (US) missile shield in poland or something. The Poles didn't want it i think.
Maybe it was something else but i do remember thinking they were killed off for a reason.

Jonny7

ed2hands wrote: »

Ok:).
Just my opinion of course.

What did Russia have to gain by causing the plane to somehow crash? I mean Poland or it's government are not an existential threat to Russia in any way bar a few disagreements about resource supply.
There is no logical reason for Russia to plan or execute a mass assassination of the Polish administration. It just makes no sense.

It was a foggy day. The pilot was under pressure to land by the planes' occupants. The pilot took a risk and tried to land. No mystery really as to what happened and why.

There's no love lost between the Polish people and Russia historically. For good reason. The plane was headed for Katyn, a place of high significance for both countries. Diplomatic relations had been quite good in general considering the history. So it just doesn't add up that they would have any part in carrying out or being implicated in such an outrageous act such as this.

The circumstances speak for themselves.

But what about the rumors that Russian forces were shooting survivors?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1278175/Footage-Polish-air-crash-emerges-claiming-Russian-speaking-men-shooting-survivors.html

Clearly heard here, very suspicious behavior at a plane crash..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEx7HL4H5yk

And again its addressed here, I mean what is false in this report?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoUkobHYAlk

How would you respond to a real news network report on the issue?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua6NEgGlIRg

ed2hands

I hear you. (And i even got a thank from you! holy god!:) (jonny7's thanks are like hens teeth!)

In saying that, Real News etc ask the questions that other media outlets wouldn't or don't ask. Am sure you'll agree.

jackiebaron

Jonny7 wrote: »

I've never seen anyone question Putin here. Despite the fact that there are so many conspiracies, coverups, journalists deaths for the last decade in Russia.

You seem to have a serious problem, however, with any reports that can be linked in the slightest way with the Kremlin or Putin. Anything on Russia Today you dismiss as crap that is linked to the Politburo, Again we'll try this.

Glenn Beck screeches "Iran will just about have enough WMD at dawn to kill us all" = bullshït

Glenn Beck screeches milk is white and is good for you = NOT BULL****.


RT maybe the dreadful propaganda outlet that you claim, but if it's so unproductive and so foul then please cite instances that would disqualify it (an hold this standard to other news sources) from any kind of credibility. I patiently await your response....retort even.

Jonny7

jackiebaron wrote: »

You seem to have a serious problem, however, with any reports that can be linked in the slightest way with the Kremlin or Putin. Anything on Russia Today you dismiss as crap that is linked to the Politburo, Again we'll try this.

Glenn Beck screeches "Iran will just about have enough WMD at dawn to kill us all" = bullshït

Glenn Beck screeches milk is white and is good for you = NOT BULL****.


RT maybe the dreadful propaganda outlet that you claim, but if it's so unproductive and so foul then please cite instances that would disqualify it (an hold this standard to other news sources) from any kind of credibility. I patiently await your response....retort even.

Most here appear to agree that it's quite one-sided, like Russia's own Fox News. Nationalist and a keen supporter of Western-only conspiracy theories.

Even the "real news network" editor, who appeared on RT for a piece, said it was overly biased - speaks for itself really.

Just like RT, the site "globalresearch" crops up a fair bit here too. Not much credibility really if they make a documentary lauding media propaganda yet have Russian propaganda heavily featured on their media site. Seems quite ironic to me.

43109

Jonny7, I was actually told before Christmas that GlobalResearch was operated by Mossad and now you're telling me it's run by Putin..

To be quite honest, It doesn't matter to me who's behind GRTV because James Corbett presented the information in the video and I think his analysis was spot on.
Tell us what exactly is wrong in the video?

I would prefer that you contribute to the discussion by scrutinizing the content, finding a worthwhile argument but all you've yapped on about is how you believe Putin is funding GR and that RT is propaganda.

Look mate, every news channel in the US is propaganda, Hollywood spreads propaganda every day and I don't hear you or the other minions complaining.

You seem unable to find anything wrong with the content in the video and decide to discuss how GR is funded by Putin instead.

Your only response is that because you believe GR to be funded by Putin, the video James Corbett (not Mr. Putin) reports in isn't worthy of viewing which is of course complete BS, not to mention weak.

Jonny7

43109 wrote: »

Jonny7, I was actually told before Christmas that GlobalResearch was operated by Mossad and now you're telling me it's run by Putin..

No, read my posts.

ed2hands

Jonny7 wrote: »

Most here appear to agree that it's quite one-sided, like Russia's own Fox News. Nationalist and a keen supporter of Western-only conspiracy theories.

Even the "real news network" editor, who appeared on RT for a piece, said it was overly biased - speaks for itself really.

Just like RT, the site "globalresearch" crops up a fair bit here too. Not much credibility really if they make a documentary lauding media propaganda yet have Russian propaganda heavily featured on their media site. Seems quite ironic to me.

So we know they're biased. Like every other news agency.

And we know they can be wrong sometimes. Like every other news agency.

Stone the crows.

Jonny7

ed2hands wrote: »

So we know they're biased. Like every other news agency.

And we know they can be wrong sometimes. Like every other news agency.

Stone the crows.

No, its the level at which they operate, the objectivity, accountability, impartiality, standards, credibility, etc.

You're honestly not going to tell me you think North Korean media is of the same objectivity of RTE news..

jackiebaron

Jonny7 wrote: »

No, its the level at which they operate, the objectivity, accountability, impartiality, standards, credibility, etc.

You're honestly not going to tell me you think North Korean media is of the same objectivity of RTE news..

Your problem is that you dismiss EVERYTHING that is reported by RT. I am of the opinion that Fox News is garbage as are most mainstream US news channels. They report opinions as if they are facts. They are guilty of lies by omission and various outher distortions. Having said that, if they were to report that Michael Jackson had died (which he did), I would not dismiss it because it is the truth as we all know.

If RT reported that Jackson had died, you, on the contrary, would accuse them of lies. Therein lies the difference.

Jonny7

jackiebaron wrote: »

Your problem is that you dismiss EVERYTHING that is reported by RT. I am of the opinion that Fox News is garbage as are most mainstream US news channels. They report opinions as if they are facts. They are guilty of lies by omission and various outher distortions. Having said that, if they were to report that Michael Jackson had died (which he did), I would not dismiss it because it is the truth as we all know.

If RT reported that Jackson had died, you, on the contrary, would accuse them of lies. Therein lies the difference.

Nope.

My point is their agenda. If Fox news reports on Michael Jackson's death its very different from Fox News doing an opinion piece on Iran.

One is going to be close to the truth, the other will tend to be distorted.

It just depends on whether the poster wants to genuinely find the truth, or whether they want to validate their own prejudice.

jackiebaron

Jonny7 wrote: »

Nope.

My point is their agenda. If Fox news reports on Michael Jackson's death its very different from Fox News doing an opinion piece on Iran.

One is going to be close to the truth, the other will tend to be distorted.

It just depends on whether the poster wants to genuinely find the truth, or whether they want to validate their own prejudice.

If their agenda is to bring to light damaging truths then these can't be discounted just because you are uncomfortable with painful truths.
Western propaganda channels report largely false stories about systems and regimes that they themselves wish to discredit. For years Western news channels have tried to smear Hugo Chavez as being a brutal dictator when the opposite is true. The Venezuelan regime is one of the most democratic in the world in that it is one of only two in the world where a sitting president can be recalled at any time...the other being Iceland. This crap hasn't washed and nobody believes Washington's infantile bullshït so they've essentially given up. The likes of Press TV and Russia Today, while also having an agenda, seem to report news that makes the US/UK/West look bad. This doesn't make it false so you can't blab about having an agenda if there is indeed an agenda while also exposing damaging news.
Bradley Manning exposed uncomfortable truths and for this he is being punished. You can wish it away all you want but no amount of goal-post moving or wrapping yourself in blissful rationalisations will hide or mask the truth.

Jonny7

jackiebaron wrote: »

If their agenda is to bring to light damaging truths then these can't be discounted just because you are uncomfortable with painful truths.

What are you talking about in fairness..

You are very interested in Israel, do you read a lot of Israel based media and news? Jpost, Haaretz? if not, then why not?

Once you answer that, reread your line above

jackiebaron

Jonny7 wrote: »

What are you talking about in fairness..

You are very interested in Israel, do you read a lot of Israel based media and news? Jpost, Haaretz? if not, then why not?

Once you answer that, reread your line above

I'm very interested in Israel? What the hell are you talking about?

Jonny7

jackiebaron wrote: »

I'm very interested in Israel? What the hell are you talking about?

Do you read Israeli media then? if so, which Israeli media do you read?

david75

We're about to enter a global depression. The single best way out of that is war on a global scale. War is great for economies.

43109

I used to think War was great for economies too but in reality, banks benefit, companies that manufacture weapons benefit but everyone else suffers the consequences.

So, rich get richer, poor get nothing.