Referendum - Would you Like To Have Your Say

SafeSurfer

Should a referendum be held on the European Fiscal Compact which calls for Ireland's budget deficit to be reduce to 0.5% and our debt to GDP ratio to be reduced to 60%?

AngryBollix

Once we're not asked to keep voting until the government get the answer they want

seamus

Only if our constitution requires it.

greimorm

Yes there should and yes i do want a vote on it.
I read it got a big neg in seanad.:rolleyes:

RobbieTheRobber

I'd like to have my say but I wouldn't trust the rest of you getting to voice your opinion and picking the right choice.

sensibleken

No. I just cant handle the inevitable bull**** thats going to come from both sides. I also never want to see Cóir or Ganly's massive head ever again

AngryBollix

sensibleken wrote: »

No. I just cant handle the inevitable bull**** thats going to come from both sides. I also never want to see Cóir or Ganly's massive head ever again

Then why trust them to do a good job without the bull****?

greimorm

sensibleken wrote: »

No. I just cant handle the inevitable bull**** thats going to come from both sides. I also never want to see Cóir or Ganly's massive head ever again

The future of Ireland here it is,the voter doesnt want a say because of the bull**** on both sides so just roll over and have no say:D Just what the EU and FG/Lab planned.

sensibleken

AngryBollix wrote: »

Then why trust them to do a good job without the bull****?

i dont. but i trust the general public less

Phill Ewinn

Yes

sensibleken

greimorm wrote: »

The future of Ireland here it is,the voter doesnt want a say because of the bull**** on both sides so just roll over and have no say:D Just what the EU and FG/Lab planned.

hiya!

AngryBollix

sensibleken wrote: »

i dont. but i trust the general public less

I hate Irish people too but you cant let any irish government have a free rein

greimorm

sensibleken wrote: »

i dont. but i trust the general public less

LOL If i say i would vote no will you trust me,and i made up my mind before the bull**** already.

sensibleken wrote: »

hiya!

Dia Dhuit

SEPT 23 1989

We are looking at 20 years of IMF style budgets to get things balanced if this goes ahead

sensibleken

greimorm wrote: »

LOL If i say i would vote no will you trust me,and i made up my mind before the bull**** already.



Dia Dhuit

No, not if you decide to vote no before reading it or base your opinion on somethign completely unrelated to whats proposed. Which people tend to do on these things

ArmaniJeanss

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

We are looking at 20 years of IMF style budgets to get things balanced if this goes ahead

And a big happy 20 years of carefree indulgence and wallowing in richness if it doesn't go ahead?

Freddie59

Yes. They've held referenda about almost everything (even brought them back when defeated). Why not this? We were assured in past referenda that both our national and economic sovereignty were off-limits.

sensibleken

Freddie59 wrote: »

Yes. They've held referenda about almost everything (even brought them back when defeated). Why not this? We were assured in past referenda that both our national and economic sovereignty were off-limits.

No they dont and no you werent.

we only hold referendums if were changing the constitution and the last two stated our neutrality was not affected by those treaties.

Agricola

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

We are looking at 20 years of IMF style budgets to get things balanced if this goes ahead

Yeah, Stephen Donnelly seems to be one of the few people with a functioning brain in the Dail. A man who wants to get down to brass tacks and isnt primarily interested in political oneupmanship is someone worth listening to.

For that reason alone, constitution or not, Id like to have a referendum. Its becoming more clear by the day that this government will do almost anything to placate their Euro masters, even if that means consigning us to decades of stagnation, all in the name of keeping the Eurozone project alive. Its time the people who will have to foot this bill had a say in it.

SafeSurfer

Personally I think we will not get the opportunity to vote on this austerity deal. According to the Irish Times the government actively sought to word the deal in such a way as to avoid the need for a referendum in Ireland.

Meanwhile, The Irish Times has learned the so-called fiscal compact agreed by EU leaders on Monday was specifically crafted to minimise the prospect of a referendum in Ireland.

A high-level European official said elements of the pact were written with the objective of avoiding a public vote in Ireland.

The official acknowledged that the matter was likely to end up in the hands of the Supreme Court but said the EU authorities still hoped there would be no plebiscite in Ireland.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0201/breaking2.html

sensibleken

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Personally I think we will not get the opportunity to vote on this austerity deal. According to the Irish Times the government actively sought to word the deal in such a way as to avoid the need for a referendum in Ireland.






http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0201/breaking2.html

If it isnt going the change the constitution then it isnt going to cede any more powers to europe. also if it is legislative rather than constitutional it will be much easier to change or get rid off alltogether.

whatever is in the thing. nobodies seen it but most seem to have made up their mind already

mikemac1

vote yes for jobs

Morlar

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sensibleken

mikemac1 wrote: »

vote yes for jobs

there was enough jobs created the last time around in the EU army and euthanasia and abortion doctors. they only pay 1.84 an hour though :pac:

bleg

Have a referendum on whether we want to remain part of the Eurozone or not. Let all the anti-Euro nutters come out of the woodwork and be shown up for the kind of extremists they are.

bleg

Agricola wrote: »

For that reason alone, constitution or not, Id like to have a referendum. Its becoming more clear by the day that this government will do almost anything to placate their Euro masters, even if that means consigning us to decades of stagnation, all in the name of keeping the Eurozone project alive. Its time the people who will have to foot this bill had a say in it.

So, a referendum in Germany then?

Agricola

bleg wrote: »

So, a referendum in Germany then?

Wouldnt be a bad idea at all. The political class of Europe is running roughshod over their electorates, all in the name of keeping a failed and broken banking system afloat.
All Eurozone countries have different agendas. If it suits the big players to follow the current policies, but straggles growth in Ireland and sets us back 20 years, we should just agree to that unconditionally in the name of being good Europeans? Me arse!

seamus

Agricola wrote: »

Wouldnt be a bad idea at all.

Are you sure?

sensibleken

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

And a big happy 20 years of carefree indulgence and wallowing in richness if it doesn't go ahead?

we'll all be rich! richs as Nazis!

Doc Ruby

I don't trust FG. Never really did, but at least I had hope. Seeing FF being surgically gutted was a good day, but the honeymoon is well and truly over now.

Frankly I don't trust FG to put the people of Ireland before their own party, so I think we should have a referendum. I know we won't get one unless FG are legally obliged to hold one, and they probably will be obliged.

I get the strong sense that any referendum to further amend the constitution will fail regardless of how many times it is held. People are just too fed up with the EU and the general air of arrogance that is emerging towards this nation.

lividduck

Only if it is constitutionally required, otherwise no thanks.

bleg

Doc Ruby wrote: »

I don't trust FG. Never really did, but at least I had hope. Seeing FF being surgically gutted was a good day, but the honeymoon is well and truly over now.

Frankly I don't trust FG to put the people of Ireland before their own party, so I think we should have a referendum. I know we won't get one unless FG are legally obliged to hold one, and they probably will be obliged.

I get the strong sense that any referendum to further amend the constitution will fail regardless of how many times it is held. People are just too fed up with the EU and the general air of arrogance that is emerging towards this nation.

The FG/Lab coalition has pretty much squandered it's majority so far in the Dáil. They haven't brought any fresh ideas forward as of yet and, apart from optics, haven't behaved anything differently to what the previous government would have. They're even going back on some of the good decisions they made (Vatican embassy closure for example).

When any criticism is laid on them they say "These are the terms and conditions that were in place when we came to power," and start slagging the opposition/FF. Anyway, we had plenty of warning before the election, we knew they were talking crap and were making promises they couldn't keep yet the electorate put them in power and probably will again in 2016.

seamus

Doc Ruby wrote: »

I get the strong sense that any referendum to further amend the constitution will fail regardless of how many times it is held. People are just too fed up with the EU and the general air of arrogance that is emerging towards this nation.

I get the feeling that most people simply don't have a clue what's going on. They see the cost of things going up, hear on the radio about, "austerity" and "EU Talks", put 2 and 2 together and get 56.

The fact that people will defeat a referendum "just because" is exactly the reason why a referendum shouldn't be held unless it's required.

Referendums are not the place to express dissatisfaction (or indeed satisfaction) with Government. So many people don't get that, yet the Shinners and other socialists seem to think that holding a referendum on everything is the way forward.
In reality they only call for a referendum because they're sore about their small government representation and a referendum allows them to exercise more power than they have by spreading disinformation and paranoia.

National referendums on important issues is a good way to run a country, but only if the Irish people can be taught to understand what a referendum is for.

SafeSurfer

Irish MEP Marian Harkin "Blackmail", her take on EU fiscal treaty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HANouuHrdVI