The Human Body Exhibition

Old Perry

so anybody here been to see this? was thinkin of headin to dublin next week to take a gander.

Was in a similar museum a few years ago (the exhibits were all wax though) and it was very interesting to see the body striped away lair by lair, giving a great insight into how everything interacts etc..

Was it what you expected? would you go again? also (may be a silly question) is it educational or more based on amazing viewers with a few fun facts thrown in.In any way oriented towards the brain and just the body?

Wishbone Ash

Old Perry wrote: »

so anybody here been to see this?

No - it doesn't open until Thursday 2nd Feb.

Old Perry

Its been to dublin before though and also visited over a 100other countries worldwide

I didn't see it the last time it was in Ireland - I did anatomy as part of my college course so it seemed kind of pointless. However, two friends of mine did go together, both with two very different opinions. One thought it was very interesting and found the whole exhibition fascinating. The other friend cried the whole time and left as soon as she got a chance. For some reason unknown to herself the whole experience was very upsetting to her.

bleg

I saw it in Prague, it was really really interesting and I might go again. Definitely worth a look.

Ellian

Is this the one where the bodies were donated by the Chinese government? If so, had the chance to go but decided not to for personal reasons - basically felt that there was too much murkiness around the provenance of the bodies to make me uncomfortable with it. Sure it would be fascinating though.

Old Perry

whats all the controversy over the obtaining of the bodies/exhibits?

Sardonicat

Old Perry wrote: »

whats all the controversy over the obtaining of the bodies/exhibits?

Seemingly, the bodies in the last exhibition included executed prisoners from China. Don't know how true that is but that was the rumour going around at the time.

I heard on the radio that this exhibition is made up of the remains of people who donated their remains to science for research purposes. (Newstalk, can't remember the show, either the "artist" or the guy organising the exhibition was being interviewed.)

Not sure what I make of it myself. I'd have no problem watching a PM of someone who donated their remains for educational/research purposes. But I do find it a bit disrespectful and ghoulish to gawp at remains that have been flayed and arranged in weird poses. Have often thought about donating my own mardy arse when the time comes but would hate to think I'd end up on display like some kind of wax work.

yellow hen

This isn't the same exhibition as Bodies which was in the ambassador the last time. That's the exhibition where there was controversy over the origin of the bodies. I think I heard the curator of this exhibit say these bodies were donated tonmeficsl science. Correct me if in wrong though.

2Scoops

The controversy, as I understand it, is that while the bodies were all obtained legally, they did not necessarily give their permission to be plastinated and displayed to the public for profit. There is a reasonable suspicion that most are 'unclaimed' bodies sourced through hospitals e.g. the homeless, prisoners etc.

Bodyworlds, von Hagens' exhibit, uses only bodies of people that gave a full informed consent but has never been to Ireland. It's a superior exhibit as well and worth seeing if you are interested in anatomy. The actual educational value is quite low, however; it's more an appreciation of the skill that went into the displays.

Sardonicat

yellow hen wrote: »

I think I heard the curator of this exhibit say these bodies were donated tonmeficsl science. Correct me if in wrong though.

You did indeed.

I did not realise this was a different type of thing. How does this one differ, does anyone know?

2Scoops

yellow hen wrote: »

This isn't the same exhibition as Bodies which was in the ambassador the last time.

Same show, same people, different wrapper.

Sardonicat

2Scoops wrote: »

Same show, same people, different wrapper.

Then I shall be giving it a miss.

lestat21

http://www.ireland.com/leisure/culture/museums/the-human-body-exhibition-has-world-premiere-in-dublin-february-2nd/630531

According to this article, it is a different exhibition than the one that was in Dublin previously. But the bodies still seem to orignate in China.

yellow hen

2Scoops wrote: »

yellow hen wrote: »

This isn't the same exhibition as Bodies which was in the ambassador the last time.

Same show, same people, different wrapper.

Are you sure about that? I'm not.

2Scoops

yellow hen wrote: »

Are you sure about that? I'm not.

More precisely, the same lab obtains and preserves all the specimens you see at "The Human Body" and "Bodies" then leases them to promoters.

yellow hen

2Scoops wrote: »

yellow hen wrote: »

Are you sure about that? I'm not.

More precisely, the same lab obtains and preserves all the specimens you see at "The Human Body" and "Bodies" then leases them to promoters.

Ok you convinced me.

mc8755

Just back from the press night at this, I got to be a mate from radio's plus one. It's almost identical to the layout it was the last time it was at The Ambassador. It's a good exhbibit, the individual specimens are in much better nick compared to the full body ones which look a bit waxy because of the preservation process. There were some people there with kids under five which was fairly mental, I'd recommend secondary school and up for this one. RTE were there filming a segment so I'd say it'll feature on the 6.1 tomorrow evening. There were med students from UCD there to answer question in each section of the exhibit, who I'll assume won't be there everyday for the duration of this... Either way, it's invaluable to anyone studying, or just interested in physiology, pathology or human health realted bio sciences.

yellow hen

mc8755 wrote: »

There were med students from UCD there to answer question in each section of the exhibit, who I'll assume won't be there everyday for the duration of this... Either way, it's invaluable to anyone studying, or just interested in physiology, pathology or human health realted bio sciences.

Really, that interesting. Last year not one of the Deans from irish medical schools endorsed the exhibit. Wonder how the students got involved?

Synods

yellow hen wrote: »

Really, that interesting. Last year not one of the Deans from irish medical schools endorsed the exhibit. Wonder how the students got involved?

I know somebody working there through my boyfriend. The students are working there in their own capacity from what I gather. Nothing to do with UCD, they just all happen to go there.

Nolanger

Sick exhibit using the 'educational' excuse to justify itself.

robertxxx

Seen it in new york in 2008, really good but weird, makes out that the body is really simple and you wonder how surgeons cant fix/cure everything.

Viral Vector

It's a great exhibition if you're into health and science!

I've been to it in New York in 2007 and Dublin the last time it was here.

I'd go again but i'm put off with the price (and that I have to travel to Dublin to see it!)

Old Perry

Viral Vector wrote: »

It's a great exhibition if you're into health and science!

I've been to it in New York in 2007 and Dublin the last time it was here.

I'd go again but i'm put off with the price (and that I have to travel to Dublin to see it!)

+1, Great visual insight into the many layers of human anatomy and a bit of extra information for those willing to take the time to read.

went over the weekend, was great experience as surreal as it was (i dont know much about anatomy and physiology) for anyone in any way interested or intrigued. was a bit pricey with travel included but thought the ticket price was fair enough for something unique as that (to the general public anyways). definitely worth going if your around dublin , or if you have the spare cash.

tatabubbly

when does the exhibit run to???

How much is it at the moment?

I'd love to go see it!

Viral Vector

tatabubbly wrote: »

when does the exhibit run to???

How much is it at the moment?

I'd love to go see it!

IIRC,

€20 for adults
€16 for students/OAPs

Zab

As far as I can tell these bodies do not have consent from the person when they were alive. Their website says "All of the specimens in The Human Body Exhibition are legally donated through an organized government process", which to me means the government donated the bodies rather than the person as I can't come up with another good reason for the lack of clarity. Contrast this to the Body Worlds site that somebody mentioned above: "The BODY WORLDS exhibitions rely on the generosity of body donors; individuals who bequeathed that, upon their death, their bodies could be used for educational purposes in the exhibitions".

Up to you whether you care about this.

Jello

Does anyone know what time it closes at? I heard an ad on the radio today and I'm fairly sure it said last entry is 7pm, but on ticketmaster you can select 9pm as the latest entry time..

Icarian

Saw this today, but didn't realise that these bodies were Chinese, and donated from the Chinese state. The dubious circumstances by which these bodies were obtained is quite sickening, especially considering that they have unborn foetuses and slices of babies on display. Sickening stuff, and if I'd have known that these bodies were (almost certainly) Chinese prisoners, and certainly without consent from themselves or their families, I'd never have gone. To add insult to all of this, they're making money off of us ignorant fools coming to gawk at these poor deceased people.

Why hasn't the media covered this? How the hell did this company manage to get a permit to display the remains of human beings and sliced up piece of babies whose origin, families and consent cannot be verified?

ZENER

Very intrigued so have decided to take myself and herself. Seems the only way to get tickets is via ticketmaster.ie. is this actually the case or can I just pay in at the door ?

Thanks

Ken

yellow hen

Icarian wrote: »

Saw this today, but didn't realise that these bodies were Chinese, and donated from the Chinese state. The dubious circumstances by which these bodies were obtained is quite sickening, especially considering that they have unborn foetuses and slices of babies on display. Sickening stuff, and if I'd have known that these bodies were (almost certainly) Chinese prisoners, and certainly without consent from themselves or their families, I'd never have gone. To add insult to all of this, they're making money off of us ignorant fools coming to gawk at these poor deceased people.

Why hasn't the media covered this? How the hell did this company manage to get a permit to display the remains of human beings and sliced up piece of babies whose origin, families and consent cannot be verified?

The media did cover this when a similar exhibition called Bodies was last here.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/health/2012/0207/1224311390085.html

It also got ALOT of radio coverage around the time too.

Jello

ZENER wrote: »

Very intrigued so have decided to take myself and herself. Seems the only way to get tickets is via ticketmaster.ie. is this actually the case or can I just pay in at the door ?

Thanks

Ken

Yeah you can get tickets at the door.

Icarian

@ Zener

People still want to go? Even knowing that this exhibition is comprised of bodies obtained from China without consent from the donors? And that it also feaures babies preserved and plasticised remains, which again were taken from hospitals in China, almost certainly without consent from the mothers?

What a morally bankrupt nation we are...

It's a freakshow, there is no educational value, and anyone who goes is just paying good money to these people for the exploitation of corpses obtainec through very dubious means

@ Yellow Hen

I suppose I'm just shocked that there are no protests, nobody picketing the Ambassador Theatre, and that the organisers managed to bring in the slised up bodies of men, woment and babies, as well as foetuses encased in perspex, and that they managed to get a permit to display these bodies for a profit ohere in Dublin, all without having to provide any documentattion proving that the bodies were obtained with the consent of the people themselves or their familis, and more that the bodies originate from China, a country famed for it's human rights violations.

People just seem completely unaware, or even worse, seem to be aware but just don't care.

Mind boggling stuff...

Zab

Icarian wrote: »

It's a freakshow, there is no educational value,

I strongly disagree with that. However, I won't be attending for pretty much the reasons you've mentioned. I'd probably go if it was a charity or not-for-profit organisation, but I can't support the commercial exploitation of these bodies by a for-profit corporation.